Mandatory vaccination | 180 comments (180 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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I can't see why the unvaccinated should be suspected of spreading more virus than people in whom the vaccine wanes after 6 months, which in aged populations as in some EU countries are a majority. On top of that the (numerous) people on whom vaccination has no effect (waning or already before) cannot be jabbed every 6 months, if only for practical reasons, and especially when the circulation of all strains is assured by the full planes/trains of tourists moving in all direction.

I think the suicide rates are going to be skyrocketting.
Or maybe we'll be saved by the metaverse and psychedelic drugs (CBD shops are booming in the West too). Coincidence?
https:/www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/01/party-drugs-may-help-depression-but-use-must-be-monitored-doct ors-warn

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 06:37:05 PM EST

Re: Mandatory vaccination (4.00 / 4)

In Germany, you can't get help committing suicide unless you are vaccinated.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 06:51:10 PM EST
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Re: Mandatory vaccination (none / 1)

Overdose of speculation ... bother to support your statements by a bit of science?

The Dutch with rightwing parties just about in a majority, cannot be taken at face value. Rutte is a BoJo image working in a tower in medieval setting in the heart of The Hague. On Covid-19 his voice will be muted by two new ministers with a sound scientific mind.

In the Summer a new vaccine will be available on time for a new Fall surge of a corona virus variant. The Dutch have ordered a 3-fold from Pfizer BioNTech in Europe.

The elderly >70 years have stopped excess dying from Covid-19 and cause an insignificant spread the Omicron virus.

Breaking news: a group of Dutch veterans from Srebrenica fame have marched (in military tenue) with the anti-vaxxers in Amsterdam "to secure safety of demonstrators and protect freedom of speech." Sound familiar?

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 07:32:49 PM EST
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A bit of science: check the curves of Israel, Iceland, Gibraltar. Surge with all pop vaccinated, boosted, as many times you want. Your solution is not sustainable and people will die of addictions, suicide and violence in much greater proportions.
It would have made sense to vaccinate the +70, but they are the voters, so our 'social-democracies' did not want to pressure them. They are quite useful to milk the younger populations and keep them quiet.
When you read that on a sport website,
https:/defector.com/back-to-normal-isnt-enough
you realize there is a bigger problem. But what we read in the MSM is empty of chronology and of curves' analysis. Raoult does that, Ioannitis too, as Campbell does with national statistics regularly.
https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1482795018871971841?s=20

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 08:02:24 PM EST
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Re: Mandatory vaccination (4.00 / 4)

check the curves of Israel, Iceland, Gibraltar.

I did. Israel 65.3%, Iceland 77.8%. full vaccination.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 08:15:58 PM EST
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Well, they both experienced waves immediately after being the highest vaccinated in the waves. Why do you assume the unvaxxed have spread covid in the NL (with all venues closed since mid December this has kept most tourists away) rather than the planes from SA that were still landing well into early December and the short ban, ca 10 days, was lifted on 22/12?
The figures have been going down in hospitalization now that Delta is coming to an end (serious covid cases are usually about 3 weeks in hospital).

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:55:48 PM EST
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Re: Mandatory vaccination (none / 1)

Sounds familiar as in France (and the US): you have the choice between the extreme-right and the extreme-right.

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 09:48:06 PM EST
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APslainin (4.00 / 3)

Dr. Stuart Campbell Ray, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University explainin elusive herd immunity, or "universal immunizition"

Omicron is more likely[?!] than delta to reinfect individuals who previously had COVID-19 and to cause "breakthrough infections" in vaccinated people while also attacking the unvaccinated.
[...]
"People have wondered whether the virus will evolve to mildness. But there's no particular reason for it to do so," he said.

except the 100-year transformation of 1918 H1N1 AKA Spanish Flu into "seasonal strains"

Experts say the virus won't become endemic like the flu as long as global vaccination rates are so low. ...

Moderna hopes to market combined COVID and flu booster in 2023

by Cat on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 07:35:39 PM EST
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Re: Mandatory vaccination (4.00 / 2)

In Ireland boosters have been administered within 6 Months of the second jab. There is no reason why this cannot be done on an ongoing basis if required to contain the pandemic. Uptake has been the 90% range and this has contributed to a very low increase in deaths compared to a huge spike in Omicron and Delta infections.

You will have to provide empirical evidence to support your contention that the unvaccinated are no more likely to spread the virus than vaccinated people, or that vaccination has no effect on "numerous people." That is not reported by leading infectious diseases experts in Ireland.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 09:47:34 PM EST
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https:/www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japan-begins-covid-19-shots-over-65s-fou rth-infection-wave-looms-2021-04-12
(focused on the +65)

https:/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/data-showing-covid-booster-waning-among-elderly-behind-israel-s- fourth-dose-decision-1.10491124
https:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/14151?utm_source=gquery&utm_medium=referral&a mp;utm_campaign=gquery-home
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2114228

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:00:10 PM EST
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On ET it is best practice to embed your links and give a brief synopsis of what the reader can exact to find there. People don't have time to follow raw links on the off chance their may be something relevant or useful there. Also your first link refers to a link that is over 10 months old - which is rather a long time ago in the evolution of this pandemic and societal and medical responses to it.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:40:09 PM EST
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Re: Mandatory vaccination (4.00 / 2)

What Frank said. I already mentioned the same a few days ago (trying to help a newbie).

It would be good if you could take a bit of time doing that: this would help other readers understand your point and show a bit of consideration. Thanks!

by Bernard (bernard) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:53:09 PM EST
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"empirical evidence to support" (4.00 / 2)

in Losing Battle Against Omicron,
in Latest Data Omicron Variant, and
in Herd Immunity .. Filling the Gaps

since Israel confirmed neither mRNA "vaccine" prevented infection, re-infection or "breakthrough vaccine cases of delta or the brief appearance of a so-called DeltaPlus variant last July in Milton Leitenberg SARS-CoV-2 virus Weaponized;

Planas et al, "Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization", 8 July 2021

so by month's end, the scramble to revive "vaccine" value in preventing "severe illness or death" rather than immunity, had penetrated even value-priced USAToday, which advised:

Once infected, though, vaccinated people are just as contagious as those without that protection -- meaning they need to wear a mask and keep their distance to avoid passing on the virus.

Goldberg, et al, "Waning immunity of the BNT162b2 vaccine: A nationwide study from Israel", 30 Aug 2021

by Cat on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:30:23 AM EST
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LATEST "empirical evidence to support" (none / 0)

in case you missed it AND CDC 5+5 chief did not mention in any prior booster advert
High number of Omicron mutations render antibodies ineffective - study, 22 Jan 2022

New research indicates the 46 mutations found in the COVID-19 Omicron variant have rendered [mRNA induced] antibodies ineffective, accounting for the high number of re-infections and breakthrough cases.
[...]
The peer-reviewed study titled "Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variant: Unique features and their impact on pre-existing antibodies" was first published in the Journal of Autoimmunity and was produced by Kamlendra Singh, a professor in the University of Missouri College of Veterinary Medicine and assistant director of the college's Molecular Interactions Core and Bond Life Sciences Center investigator.
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Two of the mutations had first been recorded in the Delta or Delta Plus [!] variant, which preceded Omicron by several months. Of the 46 mutations found, 30 were identified in the S-protein, while the remainder were located elsewhere in the virus cell[sic].

archived single point of pharma mRN engineered FAILURE, elsewhere in virus RNA strands

by Cat on Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 at 05:30:10 PM EST
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