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I don't know if there is a straight story to be found...

When there were only a few hundred people evacuated, mostly schoolkids, I kinda had my doubts that it was mostly for the show to bring the untenable position of the Donbass into front and center, but now it's +60,000 and with continuous shelling, mobilization of every 18-55 year old male and reports of car bombs harming infrastructure and UAF raid into "area of joint operations", I must admit it looks like it's for real.

I don't know if Zelensky is Biden's puppet, bacause that would imply that a) Zelensky is in control of UAF and b) Biden is in control of US foreign policy.
Some analysts said about Zelensky's speech in Munich that he seems to have finally understood how Ukraine is just a tool for anti-Russia purposes.

I've read a couple of Ukrainian analysts or commentators (of opposition) say that West has obviously selected Lviv as the new capital, which means they expect Ukraine to split very soon.

Many seem to think that Ukraine will be sacrificed to enable the "sanctions from hell" that will finally split EU from Russia and make it depend on US energy thus ensuring loyalty in the coming fight against China. I think that's, while somewhat plausible, is way beyond the capabilities of the current breed of wheelers and dealers in "deep state".

by pelgus on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 08:46:45 AM EST
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So, if the Ukranian armed forces are really intensively shelling the enclaves, and if this is the reason why the population are massively fleeing, spontaneously or not (if indeed they are), then why are they doing so?

I don't know why there seem to be no foreign correspondents in the enclaves, are they having visa problems or something?


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 09:47:21 AM EST
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Maybe it's not the Ukrainian armed forces, but some units (like the Nazis) in the Ukrainian forces?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 10:19:44 AM EST
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The existence of nazis and other nutbag nationalists on the Ukranian site is very helpful for Putin. He has been winding them up, and whether they are under the control of the Ukraine military or not is an important question.

Likewise there is the question (does anyone know?) of whether the local peoples' militias are actually in control on the front line in the people's republics; or whether the Wagner people are giving the orders. I would prefer the latter; not because they are nice people, but because they generally obey orders. Meaning that any provocations would be strategic, rather than random.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 01:09:37 PM EST
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Recalling the botched attempt by Ukrainian Intelligence to lure a bunch of Donbass fighters into Ukrainian airspace by offering them fake mercenary contracts in Turkey, there may not be any difference between the militia commanders and Wagner people.

Meanwhile, Russians are reporting one border station being destroyed by a stray ammunition from Ukraine (no casualties) and two Ukrainian BMP's entering Russia this morning (both destroyed by Russians). Suspected to be an Ukrainian raiding party trying to avoid the LPR militias.

by pelgus on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 01:19:25 PM EST
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if the Ukranian armed forces are really intensively shelling the enclaves,

Looking at the OSCEs maps and comparisions to the sort of base line seize fire violations, I would rather say that we can know that the Ukranian armed forces has escalated the shelling. How intense it is, is hard to grasp.

and if this is the reason why the population are massively fleeing, spontaneously or not (if indeed they are)

I would say that it is more a question of evacuation, as I understand that the rebel authorities has declared that military age men will be conscripted and the rest evacuated. How much people are following those orders is unclear. The reasoning here on part of the rebels is clear, if they think an attack is coming, better to evacuate and mobilise ahead of schedule.

then why are they doing so?

This is where I fear that the conflict takes on a life of its own and that the Azov Battalion or any other sufficiently motivated group can start the war simply by increasing the seize fire violations. Its not like the rebels won't return fire, indeed they are primed to do so. And any Ukrainian military unit coming under attack is primed to shoot back. And militaries has plans for different scenarios and if they think something is happening, they will execute those plans.

And that is in the best case scenario, in the worst case scenario the Ukraian military is intentionally attacking (but it is starting somewhat cautiosly for some reason). I don't know why they would do that, but militaries tends to have among their plans include plans that are not always very rational on the larger scale.

Defence Scheme No. 1 has a place of honor among crazy military schemes:

Defence Scheme No. 1 was created on April 12, 1921, and detailed a surprise invasion of the northern United States as soon as possible after evidence was received of a US invasion of Canada. It assumed that the US would first attempt to capture Montreal and Ottawa and then Hamilton, Toronto, the Prairie Provinces, and Vancouver and the rest of Southwestern British Columbia. Defence Scheme No. 1's US counterpart was War Plan Red, a plan to invade Canada as part of a war with Britain that was created in 1930.[1]

The purpose of invading the US was to allow time for Canada to prepare its war effort and to receive aid from Britain. According to the plan, Canadian flying columns stationed in Pacific Command in western Canada would immediately be sent to seize Seattle, Spokane, and Portland. Troops stationed in Prairie Command would attack Fargo and Great Falls, then advance towards Minneapolis. Troops from Quebec would be sent to seize Albany in a surprise counterattack while troops from the Maritime Provinces would invade Maine. When resistance grew, the Canadian soldiers would retreat to their own borders, destroying bridges and railways to delay US military pursuit.[1][2]

by fjallstrom on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 10:45:29 AM EST
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Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) (Pop. 2.3 million -- Area 3,437 sq.mi.)

Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) (Pop. 1.46 million -- Area 3,234 sq.mi.)

Crimea Occupied Territory (Pop. 2.4 million -- Area 10,000 sq.mi.)

Merge and Rule: What's In Store for the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics | Carnegie - March 2021 |

Moscow-approved leaders--Denis Pushilin in the DNR and Leonid Pasechnik in the LNR--won virtually uncontested elections in 2018, while only ruling and spoiler parties were allowed to participate in local legislative elections.

Party lists were comprised of members of local elites with prewar Ukrainian political experience: former Party of Regions youth activist Denis Miroshnichenko became the head of the LNR People's Council, while the former Communist Party parliamentary deputy Vladimir Bidyovka was chosen to lead the DNR legislature. Meanwhile, locally registered Communist parties weren't allowed to take part in the elections.

The only real opposition to the republics' current leadership comes from influential separatist veterans, but the authorities thwart their political aspirations: the Donbas Republican Party created by one of the DNR's founding fathers and former head of legislature, Andrei Purgin, was denied registration.

Profiling IDP situation in Luhansk region, Ukraine | Norwegian Refugee Council - 2021 |

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Mon Feb 21st, 2022 at 12:05:15 PM EST
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