To Intervene or Not to Intervene -- Role Military Force | 141 comments (141 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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Don't be ridiculous ... Kyiv passed laws to discriminate Russian speaking citizens, censorship in the media, treating them as foreigners and traitors ... read up a bit about collaborations with Nazi Germany, Galicia, extermination of Jews ... now their heroes Bandera, and so forth. Revisionism of history, similar to close ally Poland. The Dutch voted against Ukraine becoming an association member of the EU in a referendum.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:00:37 AM EST
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Frankly any post which brings in WWII collaboration is not worthy of a response.

Or perhaps we can blame Putin for the millions of deaths during the forced collectivisation of the 1930s?

It's complicated to discuss anything when three unrelated issues are conflated in a single post. The Dutch voted against Ukraine because of a plane shot down by a Russian missile.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM EST
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The Dutch voted against Ukraine because of a plane shot down by a Russian missile.

❓

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 12:36:17 PM EST
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My bad. Obviously you know Dutch society better than I do. I had the impression that Dutch electors were, in the majority, favourable to the treaty, but that turnout was depressed because of the plane crash (rather nonsensically, because obviously the Ukraine authorities had nothing to do with it, but that's public opinion)

You seem to be saying that the referendum was lost because of Dutch concerns about antisemitism in the Ukraine. I'll take your word for it.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 02:00:30 PM EST
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WWII collaboration

It is when today these persons are seen as heroes and monuments erected with annual commemoration. Militants follow Nazi doctrine of racism and anti-semitisme. Ban these idiots and the world will be a better place. US Capital insurrection, Massacre on Utøya, New Zealand Mosque Shooting, etc.

Leave everyone their heroes, Confederacy, battle heroes and sowing hatred. I will renounce them ☮️

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 12:53:48 PM EST
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Well, here you go again conflating everything. It's true that people in the USA and in the Ukraine are allowed to celebrate Nazism, and that'a a bad thing (but probably not a motive for military intervention). But the Danish shooter at Utoya and the Australian shooter in Christchurch were self-educated fascists, and I'm not sure how that can be banned.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 01:50:36 PM EST
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Sorry, Norwegian. Apologies to Danish fascists.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 02:02:32 PM EST
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Honestly, lots of countries have passed laws about which languages are used... Generally a really bad idea, and far too common, including among EU nations. If every such case justified military intervention, it's hard to think of a European country that wouldn't be at war now.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:30:24 AM EST
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So, if you think that Putin sent in the army to protect persecuted ethnic Russians, this means that you believe that they are not going to stop at the ceasefire line?

Or at least, that you hope they won't.

Because they can't protect any persecuted people if they only occupy the territories already controlled by their proxies.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 01:53:21 PM EST
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To Intervene or Not to Intervene -- Role Military Force | 141 comments (141 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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