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While blogging I do a lot of research, have done so since I started blogging here @ET and @BooMan in 2004/2005. I kept abreast with the news across a broad spectrum of sources.

Iran is bad, however the Gulf Arab states match them if not worse. Saudi Arabia has always been a close ally to the United States, especially since Aramco was originally an US Corporation. In the late 1960s and early 1970 I had close contact with people at Aramco HQ engineering in The Hague. Has always had my attention through the ups and downs.

A corrupt state with a poor track record on Human Rights till this day. Just recently a spy ring busted in Denmark and The Netherlands. Saudi Arabia funds terror networks since its founding until today. A client state of the US and UK.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud a walking war criminal. KSA supported jihadist terror in Afghanistan, Balochistan, Ahwaz province, Yemen, Chechnya, Russia, Lebanon, Libya, Syria ... often in alliance with western powers. Prince Bander a close personal friend to George W. Bush and PM Tony Blair -  Al-Yamamah arms deal, bribes, threats and a white wash

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:24:26 AM EST
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I'm not ignorant of all this, and I entirely agree that it sucks.
I just can't see the connection you obviously see with Ukraine.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:32:23 AM EST
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Yes - bizarre arguments that just because the US bloc is terrible (true...) that somehow justifies mass murder in Ukraine.

Absolutely bonkers nonsense.

Much more realistic to consider that this is just another action by the Global Fascist Alliance, which includes most of the Anglosphere, Russian, and Chinese establishments, with backup from the cynical religio-fascists in Saudi and Israel.

All are regressive militaristic macho states, most are also petrostates (clue!), and all are run by psychopaths.

The EU, for all of its flaws, does at least have elements which haven't been completely colonised by these violent narcissistic nutjobs.

No one is innocent or justified here, just as no one was innocent or justified in recent previous shows with the same script.

Flags aside, it's always the same people.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 24th, 2022 at 07:31:06 AM EST
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"All are regressive militaristic macho states, most are also petrostates (clue!), and all are run by psychopaths."
But Ukraine is not?
Where do you see mass casualties in Ukraine? Haven't the people working for its military (i.e. the small pawns of the oligarchs doing business with all parties) had enough time to emigrate elsewhere since 2014?
by Tom2 on Thu Feb 24th, 2022 at 09:29:23 AM EST
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