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I thought it was the war that "could be funny if it was not disgusting" in Tom2s sentiment. But I could be wrong.

I hope the general support for Ukraine at least makes a common and shared EU refugee poilcy possible here, rather then making it the problem of Poland and Roumania.

by fjallstrom on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 06:44:52 PM EST
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I think that's a given. I can't really see who would be the hold-outs, other than the extreme right, who are against all the refugees (and pro-Russian).

I expect Sweden to more than its share, as usual, or has that changed fundamentally?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 07:15:05 PM EST
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In general, Sweden's refugee policy has become much harsher since 2014, with the conservatives joining the far right in demanding closed borders, and liberals split. And the Soc-dems goes wherever it appears votes can be won so they followed the conservatives.

In this case, I think the conservatives and liberals will call for open borders, making the Soc-dems follow. The far right will be in a pinch, because while they are for closed borders, these refugees are white and are fleeing the russians.

So I think Sweden will at least accept its share.

by fjallstrom on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 07:36:23 PM EST
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So the far right is not pro-Russian in Sweden? Why is that?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:38:52 PM EST
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Russia is the Swedish arch-enemy. Well arch-enemy number two after Denmark, but Sweden won the power struggle over Denmark (and got Norway), and lost the one with Russia (they took Finland!), so Sweden is all good with Denmark.

Didn't we use to have a macro for Rysskräck?

Testing: [Starvid's Rysskräck™ Technology] - oh look it works.

For newcomers, Starvid is another poster from Sweden and Rysskräck is a Swedish word for the fear that the Russians are coming.

The far right can be - and have been - cozy with Russia over shared islamophobia, general conservatism, and so on. The far right even employed a possible Russian spy in parliament (I don't remember how that one ended). But in this situation I think Rysskräck trumps islamophobia among their voters.

This might look strange to those who don't read Swedish media, but there was a few weeks ago lots of very serious press on how Sweden was beefing up defenses at Gotland.  One might think that a Russia pre-occupied with Ukraine would have less troops to spare to occupy Gotland. One might not even consider Gotland the first place Russia would attack, but in that case one hasn't been reading Swedish newspapers and one doesn't know the feeling of Rysskräck.

So in short, when there is a feeling that the Russians are coming, and the Ukrainians are fleeing the Russians, it would be down right anti-Swedish to support the Russians. And I don't think the far right can afford to be seen as such.

On the other hand, NATO membership just became an election issue (elections are in September). How that fares remains to be seen.

by fjallstrom on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:58:16 PM EST
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Europe welcomes Ukrainian refugees -- others, less so
The change in tone of some of Europe's most extreme anti-migration leaders has been striking -- from "We aren't going to let anyone in" to "We're letting everyone in."
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Some journalists, too, are being criticized for descriptions of Ukrainian refugees. "These are prosperous, middle-class people," an Al Jazeera English television presenter said. "These are not obviously refugees trying to get away from areas in the Middle East... in North Africa. They look like any European family that you would live next door to."
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CBS news apologized after one of its correspondents said the conflict in Kyiv wasn't "like Iraq or Afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades. This is a relatively civilized, relatively European" city.
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Polish U.N. Ambassador Krzysztof Szczerski said at the General Assembly on Monday that assertions of race- or religion-based discrimination at Poland's border are "a complete lie and a terrible insult to us."

"The nationals of all countries who suffered from Russian aggression or whose life is at risk can seek shelter in my country," he said.
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"It is not completely unnatural for people to feel more comfortable with people who come from nearby, who speak the (similar) language or have a (similar) culture," [former UNHCR policy head Jeff] Crisp said.

In Poland, Ruchir Kataria, an Indian volunteer, told The AP on Sunday that his compatriots got stuck on the Ukrainian side of the border crossing into Medyka, Poland. In Ukraine, they were initially told to go to Romania, hundreds of kilometers away, he said, after they had already made long journeys on foot to the border, not eating for three days. Finally, on Monday they got through.

by Cat on Tue Mar 1st, 2022 at 01:50:40 AM EST
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"A refugee is a refugee, whether European, African or Asian," Mohammad said.

The change in tone of some of Europe's most extreme anti-migration leaders has been striking -- from "We aren't going to let anyone in" to "We're letting everyone in."

Those comments were made only three months apart by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Unsnip, just to highlight the obvious point that this is a left/right issue (if you add up the ratings of the French presidential candidates who would be in favour of open borders for all war refugees, that's about 20%. Electors ).

Indian students getting a hard time from Polish border guards? More shocked than surprised.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Mar 1st, 2022 at 07:49:11 AM EST
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Témoignage d'un citoyen congolais bloqué à la frontière ukrainienne

Quick translate:

Many African countries, including Nigeria and South Africa, are trying to help their nationals to flee the Russian invasion, on a background of growing claims of racism vis a vis African people at the Ukrainian border. Krystel Boenga, a Congolese citizen residing in Ukraine since 2009, speaks about the situation at the border.

by Bernard (bernard) on Tue Mar 1st, 2022 at 01:48:23 PM EST
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"Medyka, at the border between Poland and Ukraine. The place of the forgotten ones"

by Bernard (bernard) on Tue Mar 1st, 2022 at 02:11:20 PM EST
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Salvini has welcomed the "real refugees". I've no idea what he though of the quarter million Ukrainian immigrants to Italy before the invasion (BTW, the largest Ukrainian diaspora until now is in Russia...)
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:14:12 PM EST
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