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Is Russian society ready for a Vietnam moment? (4.00 / 2)

In #Novosibirsk, #Russia, local residents are marching in #protest against the Russian invasion of #Ukraine:pic.twitter.com/LjgAosDJXg
— Alex Kokcharov (@AlexKokcharov) February 24, 2022

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Thu Feb 24th, 2022 at 07:38:52 PM EST

Re: Is Russian society ready for a Vietnam moment? (4.00 / 2)

The Russian authorities have forbidden any such demonstration and threatened immediate arrest - and people were indeed arrested. That marches still take place anyway, speaks volumes about the disillusionment of many Russians with their deteriorating living conditions.

Those who can read French can check this thread from university professor Anna Colin Lebedev (who grew up in USSR).

by Bernard (bernard) on Thu Feb 24th, 2022 at 09:04:33 PM EST
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Was France? (none / 0)

by Cat on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 02:40:00 PM EST
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Re: Was France? (none / 0)

Place de la République, Paris, 26 February 2022.

Also in Marseille, Bordeaux, Clermont-Ferrand, Grenoble, Saint-Etienne, Chambéry and le Puy-en-Velay.

by Bernard (bernard) on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 06:53:28 PM EST
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Re: Was France? < wipes tears > (none / 0)

Since the cue is Viet Nam, I was expecting a Summer '68 photo gallery with Satre captions. My mistake.

by Cat on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:00:30 PM EST
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Re: Was France? < wipes tears > (none / 0)

France had other things to deal with in 1968. Like real, actual social revolution.

I remember 1968. My elder siblings went to anti-Vietnam War demonstrations (but NZ had skin in the game, troops on the ground). Also, anti French nuclear test demonstrations.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:35:47 PM EST
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Re: Was France? < wipes tears > (none / 0)

Ah, France eternally stuck in the 1960's, with De Gaulle, hosting Jackie & JFK, Sartre in a Paris café with Simone de Beauvoir... (Is this a USian thing?)

by Bernard (bernard) on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:42:31 PM EST
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Re: Was France? (none / 0)

Meanwhile, getting back to business:

France seizes Russian ship over sanctions https://t.co/39ZXHcmJTH
— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) February 26, 2022

by Bernard (bernard) on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:51:00 PM EST
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nah. (none / 0)

I'm just teasing you with recollections, attributed to France's ICONIC pubic intellectuals found in the massive, posthumous biography penned by his "daughter".

I would be surprised to meet an American, then or now, who did not attach greater political significant to domestic EXISTENTIAL THREATS than communist orphans rehabilitating the ruins of imperial Japan. What good did challenging MAGA do for adolescent boomers then, besides heating a sexual revolution.

I can almost appreciate your (pl.) ambivalence to the wan articles of NATO alliances today. US "intervention" in Korea and in "French Indochina" are parts of a piece of "shared history" that ostensibly belongs in the dustbin, but sticks to the shoes of MODERNITY like so much gum.

by Cat on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:54:01 PM EST
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Re: nah. (none / 0)

Oh, I suspected it (teasing is just your style :)
That USian view of France with the cursor firmly stuck in the 60's is something that always amazed me when I was living in the country a couple of decades ago.

It does still leave traces in the culture, I suppose: for instance, France's colonial past is still permeating a lot of attitudes and political discourse, even today with our Gen-Xer president.

by Bernard (bernard) on Sun Feb 27th, 2022 at 08:59:59 AM EST
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archived melo (none / 0)

Sun Aug 17th, 2014

by Cat on Sun Feb 27th, 2022 at 05:06:04 PM EST
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archived Anglo Disease (none / 0)

Tue Mar 18th, 2014 in LQD: More Context for the Ukraine Mess

by Cat on Sun Feb 27th, 2022 at 06:27:35 PM EST
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