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More and more interesting, the French gov radio bulletin of 17:00 talks about Zelenski calling all Europeans who want to fight to join him in Ukraine and says not a word of the offer o Zelenski.
2 contradictory narratives developping?

by Tom2 on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 04:06:09 PM EST
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The BBC follows the same narrative but has this "Vladimir Putin tells Ukrainian troops to overthrow their own country's leadership" in the summary of the live. But it also has that "Ukraine's interior ministry also says 18,000 machine guns have been given to volunteers".

I am not sure if this can help democracy anywhere... Machine guns against planes and tanks? to do what?

by Tom2 on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 04:27:46 PM EST
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New element added: French MSM claiming Ukr source says high level radiations around Tchernobyl. After two years of depression (and the latest 'depression wave' with the Omicron narratives), throwing a war and the 'nuclear threat' to the pot can only be within the full respect of the seriousness of information you expect in a democracy, isn't it?

by Tom2 on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 05:08:03 PM EST
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You don't take a city with planes and tanks.

You take a city block by block. With foot soldiers.
Even Molotov cocktails are useful. But eighteen thousand machine guns are better.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 07:51:51 PM EST
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Useful for what? Like what is the endgame here? If you're arming the population in your capital you really should be seeking terms, whatever those are. Because the way cities defended by irregulars have been taken recently has been by bombing the rubble and then bombing it again.

by generic on Sat Feb 26th, 2022 at 08:49:36 PM EST
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Well, so far, the Ukranian government has been announcing civilian death tolls in the low hundreds. This would indicate that the Russian army is under instructions to minimise that. So they are not going Syrian on Kiev.

Despite the occasional cruise missile taking a random chunk out of an apartment building (or perhaps that was pinpoint accuracy on a particular apartment?)

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Sun Feb 27th, 2022 at 09:18:22 AM EST
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Follow his twitter feed #Zelensky for public statements.

The unreliable Sky News UK follows development from Kyiv and broadcasts "breaking" news on Ukraine ...

"Russia kicked out of Eurovision" ☹ really newsworthy

I have seen the videoclip ... it is nowhere to be find ... almost as military censorship cut out a aentence

⚡️Zelensky: But we are not afraid of anything. Not afraid of Russia. Not afraid to talk to Russia, to talk about security guarantees for our state, about the neutral status. We are not in NATO now, but what guarantees will we have? And what countries will give them to us?
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 24, 2022

These are the words I recall, Zelensky spoke English in the clip ...

PS I am and will not be a war correspondent. To get a good feel of war, one should be embedded ... the safest place. ☹ Not useful to bring warfare into the living room as 90% is propaganda for their side, and needs verification. The fog of war.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 05:31:28 PM EST
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It would be useful if the ppl who pretend that Ukraine 'can fight it' (with our help and money) could also explain why the Ukrainian gov refused to implement the Minsk agreement.
Even in Washington some admit that there has been a US agenda to not let it be implemented.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-washington-has-lost-its-mind-over-ukraine-200513

by Tom2 on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 06:49:03 PM EST
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Might be also useful to remember that the best receivers of the "we must fight the atheist Russkies" in the last fifty years have been... zombified djihadists (Afghanistan, Syria, now Mali?)

by Tom2 on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 06:57:52 PM EST
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