Russia attacks Ukraine - Open thread | 209 comments (209 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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Tom2:

I think you don't get how Ukraine has become a de facto member of NATO regardless of the official public rigamarole and how strategically important it is to USNATO in containing Russia as a world power. This unofficial Natofication of Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia.
From your comment you don't seem to get how every day this threat has been increasing and how the goal of the UkieNeonazis is the destruction of Russia by all means including through NATO and influencing Ukraine's government in the direction of that goal.

You're quoting some fellow from the MoA blog, right?

This also happens to be the official Putin's talking points and justification (look what you made me do...)

You can, of course, post this opinion here, but we can also call it complete bollocks.

by Bernard (bernard) on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 05:09:12 PM EST
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Yes, as explained in line 1, I quote someone (who btw is usually attacked by the hardcore marxists of the blog). I thought it was well written and indeed a vision I feel hard to dismiss.
I doubt Putin used "rigamarole" and the rest of the text do not seem to me to repeat a speech by him or someone else. I pasted it from the beginning to avoid any confusion.

by Tom2 on Fri Feb 25th, 2022 at 05:40:43 PM EST
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Thanks for clarifying: your lack of formatting often makes it difficult to follow what is yours, what you're quoting or even which comment (and commenter) you're replying to.

Of course, Putin doesn't speak English, but he has communicated his talking points, justifying his aggression, clearly enough:

NATO is expanding in Ukraine (it is not)
Ukraine military (+phantom NATO) is threatening Russia (obvious disproportion of military forces notwithstanding)
Ukrainian government is carrying out genocide against its Russian speaking minority, particularly in Donbas (Ukrainian president is a Russian speaking Jew and the separatists areas of Donbas have been off limits to Ukraine, thanks to - unofficial - Russian military presence there for years)
Ukraine is run by "Nazis" (Neo-Nazis parties have made less than 10% at the last elections)

Some people can endorse these wholesale (it's a free country), but personally, I'll pass.