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Re: It's basically over (none / 1)

Speaking of Kiev/Kyiv, newspaper Libération has decided, from now on, to use the Ukrainian transcription 'Kyiv' for the capital of Ukraine, replacing the Russian derived 'Kiev' transcription, that has been commonly used in French language.

Difficile de changer dans un journal le nom d'une ville quand son usage est ancré. Pourtant, malgré les habitudes des lecteurs, la raison politique s'impose. Pour «Libération», le «Kiev» venu du russe n'a plus lieu d'être et s'écrira désormais «Kyiv».

by Bernard (bernard) on Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 at 09:21:57 PM EST
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Why Kyiv and not Baile Átha Cliath?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 at 09:48:22 PM EST
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Clever. What we need is the transliteration in English, French etc of what the locals call their capital city.

Doblin (English), Daubln (French) etc.

How do Kyivans pronounce Kyiv?

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by eurogreen on Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 at 03:09:41 PM EST
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I have used "Kiev" in my letter as that is the popularly ascribed name of the capital in the English language, and so intelligible to most. "Kyiv" is increasingly used in the more specialist literature or if you want to show yourself to be an expert on the subject!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 at 10:17:25 PM EST
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Well, I suppose the BBC folks are now showing themselves to be experts too (since Jan. 29):

Kyiv or Kiev? - "Please pronounce it our way"

by Bernard (bernard) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 at 07:52:33 AM EST
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So it's pronounced "kay why eye vee".

On est bien avancés.

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- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 at 05:44:21 PM EST
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KYIV? Sounds like a radio station in southwestern Iowa to me...

by Bernard (bernard) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 at 09:13:39 PM EST
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