A "Cleary Defensive" Deployment | 120 comments (120 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: A "Cleary Defensive" Deployment (none / 0)

When you have to listen to the Haiti news to get some real information, you know something is going wrong.
https://tinyurl.com/y9zfxvve
(RFI: "« depuis 2014, Washington renforce, soutient, équipe l'armée ukrainienne en ayant livré près de trois milliards de dollars d'équipement depuis 2014 », explique Pierre Morcos, chercheur au CSIS, le Center for strategic and international studies de Washington")

by Tom2 on Tue Mar 8th, 2022 at 01:56:23 PM EST

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Tu es drôle...
Your link goes to an article sur Radio France Internationale, which was written by Marion Cazanove, a Parisian journalist.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Mar 8th, 2022 at 03:54:06 PM EST
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Is bullying considered polite in France? Is it accepted from foreigners?
The link points you to the "journal de Haiti (et des Caraïbes)"; the article is in relation to the podcast.
You should try to listen to rfi, you would learn a lot. And it us paid by your taxes.

by Tom2 on Tue Mar 8th, 2022 at 07:21:01 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]
Please, dial down the tone. Focus on the arguments, not the person.

@Tom2: the above tag means that I'm writing as a frontpager, just to make sure the discussion is going on. My personal opinions will be expressed elsewhere.

Remember when I mentioned the ET Editorial Guidelines? Just describing how that place works.

Please, go ahead and read the ETiquette page and the ET Editorial Guidelines. Seriously.

Having what you wrote being called upon is not bullying. Whatever opinion you express here is absolutely fair game; this works for everybody. Thanks you all.

by Bernard (bernard) on Tue Mar 8th, 2022 at 08:09:36 PM EST
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For some people bullying is never considered polite.

Deswegen ij would like you to practice some yoga, in which you bend forward at the waist as far and as relaxed as possible. Then to stretch, please grab your knees from the back side, and move your lower torso as far as you can between them, and breathe deeply.

Now it's time to bring your head and neck forward curling and up, until you can almost touch or smell your ass. In yoga, you are never invited to stick your head up there.

Not only ass yoga awaits you, but the ability to once again read the User Guide and be so kind as to follow it when making links, and many other internet type of things. Ass Uming you wish to be taken seriously here.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 8th, 2022 at 09:32:46 PM EST
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I see that freedom of speech has its (technical) red lines. No surprise.

by Tom2 on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 09:24:40 AM EST
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There are no free speech protections for bad faith content on private forums.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 10:10:14 AM EST
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Tomtom, I have been on internet fora since the previous century (I have written the code for internet fora).

I know a troll when I smell one. I don't do censorship, but have spent many a happy hour hunting trolls in order to keep a forum going in confidence and good faith.

Prove me wrong : post something interesting.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 10:17:40 AM EST
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I would suggest you try this one but obviously you are not interested in the non-white part of the planet.
https://www.rfi.fr/fr/podcasts/le-d%C3%A9bat-africain/20220304-la-guerre-en-ukraine-vue-par-les-afri cains

by Tom2 on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 12:47:39 PM EST
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Obviously?
Your link doesn't work, I suggest you provide an excerpt here of the parts you find interesting. That's what a non-troll would do, anyway.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 01:34:10 PM EST
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It is a one hour debate with 5 participants. They express different views. Just remove the space between afri and cains

or google "rfi débat africain" (highly recommended weekly programme)

by Tom2 on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 03:06:50 PM EST
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Or that, but I don't want to speak of bank run here because this is among the internet red lines.
UK CEBR report/forecast on the UK economy. A selection of the CEBR summary:
· The report is not a worst case forecast.
· Halved 2022 GDP growth to 1.9%
· 2023 GDP growth to 0.0%
· Reduction in 2022 real GDP of £51.4 billion.
· Reduction in 2023 real GDP of £42.5 billion.
· Rising cost of living, reduced consumption, reduced exports, significant rise in inflation.
· Fall in 2022 living standards by £71 billion or a fall of £2,553 per household, roughly half of which is attributable to Ukraine.

The summary ends with:

"So the Chancellor is likely to be under further pressure to put the economy on a semi wartime setting on 23 March."
Before a footnote on the fall in consumption during WWII.
Here's the 8th of March summary of the CEBR report and the CEBR report itself "Cost to the UK Economy
of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine - a scenario analysis. A Cebr report, March 2022" (PDF 338 KB).
https:/cebr.com/reports/invasion-of-ukraine-rising-commodity-and-oil-prices-and-sanctions-likely-to -have-major-impact-on-economy
https://cebr.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Cost-of-Russian-invasion-of-Ukraine-for-the-UK-economy.p df

by Tom2 on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 12:51:54 PM EST
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See above.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 01:34:52 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

Tom2
A lot of people have expended a lot of time and energy trying to keep this site going as a space for informed, evidenced based and courteous debate. Those few of us that remain generally only have limited time to devote to the site

You come along "to put some links on you website" without regard to our user guidelines and expect people to be interested and claim to be being subjected to censorship when asked to abide by the guidelines.

The fact is we are all constrained by time and have to focus on a few areas of interest. We ask that you don't splash raw links about the place and expect them to be followed and read.

Generally, if you have a point to make, it is best to do so directly yourself. Occasionally you may want to buttress your argument by quoting a few paragraphs from another story which is generally done in a blockquote. If you do want people to follow a link you should embed it in text which makes it clear what the link is about. However your comment/story should stand on its own two feet without requiring anyone to follow a link unless they want to dig deeper into whatever argument you are making.

If people disagree with your comment or want further clarity they may ask you to evidence it. This is NOT evidence of a cancel culture or censorship here; simply that people are entitled to disagree or ask you to justify the point you are making.

Thanks in advance...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 10:20:54 PM EST
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You mean that freedom of speech is meant only for people who are html conversant?

by Tom2 on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 at 09:31:30 AM EST
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Speak away, just don't expect people who are time poor to engage with poorly constructed or presented arguments... (and there really isn't much HTML involved, even with scoop, which is an ancient technology)

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 at 06:11:34 PM EST
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Tom2: When you have to listen to the Haiti news to get some real information, you know something is going wrong.

Actually, yes, "something is going wrong": your statement clearly implies that the US military support to Ukraine is soooo secret, that the MSM wouldn't report on it and it has to be stumbled upon while checking RFI's "Journal of Haiti and the Americas" (for it is the full name of this RFI section, it's not only about Haiti news).

Well, sorry, your statement is total bullshit: even a cursory search by "a moron in a hurry" (that would be me, by the way) turns out a wide coverage by the French media. Like this by Le Monde, five days ago, from their DC correspondent, Piotr Smolar:

Guerre en Ukraine : le soutien militaire des Etats-Unis à l'Ukraine, constant mais prudent depuis 2014

Ces dernières semaines, les autorités américaines ont souvent insisté sur la somme versée depuis 2014, pour montrer l'effort exceptionnel consenti : 2,7 milliards de dollars en huit ans.

As for Pierre Morcos, the DC based French thinktanker, he is often quoted or interviewed by the media; it's not difficult to find his stuff.

As it happens, the Google.fr News (moron in a hurry, that's me) first hit on Pierre Morcos right now is the RFI piece you quoted as "Haiti news" - no idea why, the ways of the Google are unfathomable...

by Bernard (bernard) on Tue Mar 8th, 2022 at 07:19:02 PM EST
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Constance and Prudence (none / 0)

These gals are starting to get to me...
The ongoing saga of the East European MIGs :
Poland, Slovakia, and Bulgaria were going to send jets to Ukraine, but abruptly changed their minds
(1 March) My hypothesis is that these three countries received specific and detailed threats from Putin.
U.S. rejects Poland's offer to give it Russian-made fighter jets for Ukraine

Now the Americans are antsy too; they can't see an operational justification for it (the Ukrainians seem to be doing quite well against what one would imagine to be overwhelming Russian air superiority, but they are still pleading hard for help).

I'm guessing they too are worried about Putin's itchy nuclear button finger.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 12:59:31 PM EST
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That would be, probably, answer B: Not wanting to start World War 3 with a major nuclear power.

by Bernard (bernard) on Wed Mar 9th, 2022 at 07:28:10 PM EST
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I was talking about RFI. I mean that what you hear on every news bulletin on RFI in the last 2 weeks is not that line. It is not the first time that I hear on the journal des Caraïbes some stuff that does not follow the editorial line. You quote Le Monde, but it is under paywall.
Of course it is well known to people who read, but it was not the headline on the BBC or CNN lately, you noticed?
By the way, 4 days ago, they even had a journalist explaining that the Ukrainian army was taking position in (emptied) schools. But luckily you cannot access the bulletins of the past days.

by Tom2 on Thu Mar 10th, 2022 at 09:35:07 AM EST
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