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.. I fail to see why obliging people to take position in a conflict that is not theirs, and where they don't fight nor have they relatives fighting, would be some sort of evident 'moral'.
On the other side, a large majority of the world states are since 3 weeks watching the EU and the US with incredulity. Basically, it was demonstrated 3 weeks ago by American economists themselves that a war between Russia and Nato/Ukraine/whatever would provoke a world famine. What do you suggest? Any military expert will tell you that the power balance is from day one in favour of Russia. You don't engage your forces when you know you are going to lose.
Unless of course you have a recession and you need a smoke screen. This is as old as humanity and most people are not fool.
by Tom2 on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 01:22:18 PM EST
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Any military expert will tell you that the power balance is from day one in favour of Russia.

Any military expert expected Putin to take Kiev and decapitate the Ukrainian regime within a week, tops.

So much for military experts.

You don't engage your forces when you know you are going to lose.

It's a shame Putin didn't realise that.

But if you're talking about a forthcoming war between NATO and Russia, forget it. Nobody here is advocating it, and nobody among NATO governments either.

With respect to world famine (and especially famine in the Middle East) the key is for the Russian troops to go home before the planting season.

And if any military expert suggests that Russia would "win" a war with NATO, can you provide a link?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 01:47:09 PM EST
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Well, again. When you have no gas to put in your military trucks and places, that your people are freezing because the heating is off, and you are busy bombing the Red Square, who is supposed to be working and keeping the energy and critical resources production and circulation in place?
by Tom2 on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 01:56:29 PM EST
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If you could outline your scenario, we could conceivably discuss it, if there were any interest. Who is bombing the Red Square in your fantasy world? Currently all the bombs are falling in Ukraine, as I suspect you know.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 02:12:54 PM EST
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You are talking of a war between to of the richest countries in the world (in terms of their underground), and between some of the richest oligarchs in the world (both sides even have extra Israeli passports in case they need additional off-shore business which is perfectly integrated to the intl markets).
The EU is just offering itself as a champ de bataille for a long war between the US and China. If you think it has any chance to benefit from the war, you are delusional.
by Tom2 on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 02:18:01 PM EST
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Actually from my point of view, it's more a question of the right to self-determination and freedom from invasion and the slaughter of civilians. If that is too simple for you, I'm sorry.

I am on record on the internet as having opposed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, by the way. This is the most clearcut example of one nation invading the other that I can think of since those two. It is not only war in Europe that bothers me.

richest countries in the world (in terms of their underground)

Yes, I've read that the depth of the Kiev metro system is saving lots of lives.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 02:32:45 PM EST
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