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Attempting to communicate with someone who is comfortable measuring degrees of atrocity

which atrocities in particular were you talking about?

For my part, starting a strictly optional war by invading a neighbouring country is the principal atrocity in the current sequence of events, in that it engenders chains of subsequent atrocities by all participants. So yes, I recognise that there are degrees of atrocity. But I'm not comfortable about it.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Apr 20th, 2022 at 11:19:54 AM EST
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"strictly optional war" should be added to future dictionaries of Newspeak.
by Tom2 on Wed Apr 20th, 2022 at 12:04:15 PM EST
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Tell me Tom2 :

  • In what respects would the world be a worse place today if Mr Putin hadn't said "go" on 24th February?
  • In what respects has the world been improved by that decision?

With special emphasis on Russia and Ukraine.

Five hours are allotted for your response.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Apr 20th, 2022 at 02:39:28 PM EST
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Do you mean 1st February? What exactly in the head of the politicians you worship made it impossible to call for the enforcement of Minsk 2 after the Memorandum delivered by the Russians in December 2021? If you cared for the Ukranians, you could simply have called for Misk 2 to be implemented.

You mentioned once you are from NZ, so it might be that you feel closer to the Anglo world, which apparently had decided again to eliminate the European rival by making European territories the battlefield in their latest military adventure. Ready to die to the last European, obviously.

Even CBC now says that 'the war in Ukraine is changing and the West now faces a stark choice'. That is not exactly what the MSM have been selling people like you for the last 2 months ("the war will be smooth and easy". People of my generation and older know that the people who call for war are never those who are actually affected by them.

https:/www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-zelensky-putin-mariupol-1.6423886

"I think the bigger problem for us, or the bigger challenge -- that's the collective 'us', this includes Canada -- is we have to decide that we're going to win," retired U.S. lieutenant-general Ben Hodges told CBC News.

"It's not about just keeping Ukraine in the fight. It's about winning. And that means we're going to do everything necessary to make sure that Ukraine is successful that does not require putting American or Canadian or British troops on the ground." "

Todd has a brilliant analysis of the situation (he speaks of the war a lot, in spite of the title)
https:www.les-crises.fr/le-macronisme-est-un-populisme-emmanuel-todd

by Tom2 on Wed Apr 20th, 2022 at 03:01:34 PM EST
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I am sure you will also enjoy the dissemination of light weapons to all places, not to mention the bigger ones. When the whole South was against the sanctions (it was still possible to convince Ze to drop the Eastern regions and accept a peaceful settlements in early February when he himself was calling for negociations) the rich Europeans/UK/UK/Australia said 'so what'. Now that inflation will start biting your idols tell us to endure, that this is the price to pay for fighting the enemies of freedom... Sounds familiar, no? All this because Uncle Sam told the EU: 'Fuck you' and 'No way NS2 and the Silk Roads is gonna happen".

What happens to weapons sent to Ukraine? The US doesn't really know
The US has few ways to track the substantial supply of anti-tank, anti-aircraft and other weaponry it has sent across the border into Ukraine, sources tell CNN, a blind spot that's due in large part to the lack of US boots on the ground in the country -- and the easy portability of many of the smaller systems now pouring across the border. . ."We have fidelity for a short time, but when it enters the fog of war, we have almost zero," said one source briefed on US intelligence. "It drops into a big black hole, and you have almost no sense of it at all after a short period of time."
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

by Tom2 on Wed Apr 20th, 2022 at 03:28:02 PM EST
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https:/consortiumnews.com/2022/04/19/gold-rush-in-ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_D._Hartung
by Tom2 on Wed Apr 20th, 2022 at 03:44:55 PM EST
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Ah yes, the old story...

"We were OBLIGED to invade our neighbour because they weren't co-operating in negotiations over border revisions.
Also, they are persecuting the minority of their citizens who belong to OUR ethnic group.
What's more, the Western allies are conspiring to surround us and carve our nation into bits"

It's a replay of 1939 actually.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Apr 21st, 2022 at 01:56:18 PM EST
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