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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed May 11th, 2022 at 04:38:40 PM EST
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The Council of the European Union
OK, boomer. Save that veto.
by Cat on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 03:17:11 PM EST
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Every member state of the EU is o the Council of the European Union. It is synonymous with membership. To my knowledge Russia has never applied to join the EU or even given the matter serious consideration.  For one thing, it would have to accept equal status with Ireland... which was part of the (subconscious) reason for the UK leaving.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 05:01:33 PM EST
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by Katrin on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 08:03:09 PM EST
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Danke Katrin, sometimes people confuse Boomer slurs with being right.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 08:47:58 PM EST
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I'm not confused. I posted the link which enumerates the powers of the Council of the European Union.
by Cat on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 09:33:13 PM EST
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euronews | "This is one person's war" and "We are not fighting against Russia" says EU's top diplomat Borrell
The EU's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell has insisted the European Union is 'not fighting against Russia' but 'defending Ukraine' during a high-level State of the Union event in the Italian city of Florence.

Speaking exclusively to Euronews, Borrell said: "I don't like at all the story of the West against Russia or the West against the rest...this is an issue about the Charter of the United Nations [!]. It's about the sovereignty of the people of states, the respect for the borders not to use force to override their neighbour.

"We are not fighting against Russia. We are defending Ukraine. And, defending Ukraine means to defend the international order based on rules. Otherwise, it will be the LAW OF THE JUNGLE," he added.

by Cat on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 11:03:41 PM EST
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NATO infested EU foreign policy - one man's fight Josep Borrell.

EU's top diplomat ...

Finding his diplomatic results deplorable, I figured to look at his credentials ...

Borrell's long career of incompetence...

Borrell returns: His vision for Europe

Borrell: from controversy to EU's top diplomat | EU Observer - Sep 23, 2019 |

[Link: https://euobserver.com/eu-political/146106]

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 04:37:44 AM EST
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euronew | What do we know about Macron's idea for a two-tier Europe?
He laid out his vision of a broader community of European democracies that would allow for deeper cooperation between the 27-member bloc and non-EU countries. Within this new political union, nations like Ukraine, and even a post-Brexit Britain, could forge deeper ties without officially joining the EU.
< wipes tears >
"The EU, given the level of its integration and ambition, cannot be in the short-term the only means of structuring the European continent," Macron told MEPs."It's our historic obligation to respond to that today and to create what I would call a 'European political community'. This new European organisation would allow European democratic nations adhering to our core values to find a new space for cooperation on politics, security, energy, transport, infrastructure investments and the movement of people, especially the young."
archived Primacy of EU Law and its implications
by Cat on Thu May 12th, 2022 at 11:14:11 PM EST
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He means to insert Morocco apparently.
Yellow jackets can keep demonstrating, he can cross the sea and find (even) cheaper workers.
https://www.expatcentreleiden.nl/get-advice/blogs/european-commission-announces-new-migration-policy -initiative
This economic war have been going for too long.
by Oosterbeek on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 01:23:56 PM EST
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An EU orchestrated Ukrainian brain-drain to help out in this time of crisis ..

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 07:54:37 PM EST
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So sorry to have mistakenly attributed confusion to you.

You introduced a link to an article with the heading "Russia's request for membership of the Council of Europe" with the words: "That time Russia Federation applied to join EU". The two obviously are not the same.

I can't think of more than 2 reasons for your misleading us: confusion or intention. You say it isn't confusion. Is it intention or is there another reason which I haven't hit on?

by Katrin on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 10:11:27 AM EST
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I responded to this statement.
The council of Europe is not part of the EU

Both "councils" are formed by one set of EU member heads of state. Both councils reserve exclusive political rights to its members to "conclude" EU-member treaties, EU-member policy objectives, and EP uhh endorsement of EC authorities, delegated by these councils to portfolio managers who propose legislative directives ultimately addressed to the several national legislatures to enact, or not, in their legal codes.

I had assumed, having myriad infographics depicting  EU Withdrawal Agreement processing behind us,  correspondents here had formed unequivocal agreement as to authorities vested in this "dual-use" supranational body established by successive TEUs. Of course, I am incorrect. If one council is not part of the EU, neither council is part of the EU.

Besides, corporations are not people.

Everyone the world over can now confidently disregard councils' decision-making mechanisms, publicity stunts, and memos.

Joe knows which way the wind blow.

PRESIDENT BIDEN: ... I joked when the Union was formally formed, saying this is like -- we have a thing called the "Commerce Clause."
PRIME MINISTER DRAGHI:  Yeah.
PRESIDENT BIDEN:  You go from one state to the other --
PRIME MINISTER DRAGHI:  I remember.
PRESIDENT BIDEN:  -- you don't have to go through checkpoints.  (Laughs.)  Well, it's sort of Europe's Commerce Clause.  
by Cat on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 05:03:48 PM EST
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No. The Council of Europe is not formed by "EU member heads of state" and has no direct EU function. You do write a lot of b/s sometimes. Why not just admit you made a small mistake - we all do - and focus on real issues rather than engage in distraction manoeuvres?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 05:11:36 PM EST
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Both "councils" are formed by one set of EU member heads of state.

What?! You sound very confused indeed. The Council of Europe has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU, which is the reason why Russia once applied for membership, and successfully at that, and only was kicked out recently, after decades of membership.

If one council is not part of the EU, neither council is part of the EU.
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Undoubtedly, one council is not part of the EU, and equally undoubtedly, the other one is.This is school children stuff. People quickly forget that (the disambiguation thing in my link wasn't set up for nothing), but to earnestly and repeatedly claim that the Council of Europe was not independent of the EU is more than astonishing.

Cat, why are you doing this?

by Katrin on Fri May 13th, 2022 at 05:33:02 PM EST
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by Cat on Sat May 14th, 2022 at 12:51:05 AM EST
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"The memo"? No, I haven't read "the memo". As a rule I don't read stuff that is dumped here without a context. Does your memo fall into that category?

In your last post you quoted some bits of your president's pitiful attempts at small talk as proof for your idea that everything that has the word "council" in it must, without doubt, be some EU decision-making entity.

Before that you posted "the link which enumerates the powers of the Council of the European Union". Is that what you mean by the mysterious "the memo"? Indeed, I didn't read it. I already know the powers of the Council of the European Union (btw. it is usually shortened to "European Council"). So, (if your link really does what you say it does, which we can't be sure of), it is telling us nothing new, nor is it telling us anything about the Council of Europe, because that latter entitiy has nothing to do with the EU, and should not be confused with the Council of the European Union, but then: you say you are not confused.

Oof. I don't know where I took this overdose of patience from. Won't happen again.

by Katrin on Sat May 14th, 2022 at 07:42:12 AM EST
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If you are content with being regarded as the poster who posts false factual claims here without even caring if your stuff is even remotely resembling something credible, then go on like this.
by Katrin on Sat May 14th, 2022 at 08:53:55 AM EST
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