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Putting the windmills off power ?

Yes, we need only serious stuff   0 votes - 0 %
Yes, the style of writing is crap <s>   1 vote - 10 %
No, please go ahead, we wish to know what comes next   9 votes - 90 %
 
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And death shall have no dominion.
Dead mean naked they shall be one
With the man in the wind and the west moon;
When their bones are picked clean and the clen bones gone,
They shall have stars at elbow and foot;
Though they go mad they shall be sane,
Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
Under the windings of the sea
They lying long shall not die windily;
Twisting on racks when sinews give way,
Strapped to a wheel, yet they shall not break;
Faith in their hands shall snap in two,
And the unicorn evils run them through;
Split all ends up they shan't crack;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
No more may gulls cry at their ears
Or waves break loud on the seashores;
Where blew a flower may a flower no more
Lift its head to the blows of the rain;
Through they be mad and dead as nails,
Heads of the characters hammer through daisies;
Break in the sun till the sun breaks down,
And death shall have no dominion.

Dylan Thomas

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Wed Nov 22nd, 2006 at 07:51:14 PM EST
I love that poem. You're not becoming Welsh by any chance, Agnes?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 02:02:32 PM EST
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Not that I knew of. What I am definitely not becoming is less oversensitive...;-)

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:08:27 PM EST
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 D. and N. shall live their lives in my imagination only. No need to spam ET.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 11:39:20 AM EST
You know Agnes, it seems that patience is still not your forte. :-) There is not always enough time available to read everything right away and don't forget for some people who came to ET after you took a break you are a newcomer and they do not know what this saga is all about. So give people a little time to get into this, I am sure they will enjoy it.
by Fran on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 03:59:11 PM EST
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A newcomer ???... shall I understand that what I wrote during nine months before I left means nothing and coming back is starting from scratch ???

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:14:45 PM EST
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It just means there are 9 months' worth of new (now regular) users who don't know what this is all about. To us dinosaurs with user ids below 1000 you're not a newcomer, but we have almost 2000 registered users now...

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:17:39 PM EST
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I like you sig' quote. Sounds somehow familiar to me at times ...

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:21:04 PM EST
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BTW Migeru, I took a break in June, so I may be very bad at maths but it's not been 9 months.
Besides, you know pretty well I will take as demeaning of me your saying that there's been months of now regular newcomers.
Should I chose to be offended, I would distinctly sense the innuendo : "there's been a lot of worthwhile stuff going on since you left so peace off and get back to the almost-newbies category where you belong".
However, I have enough bad stuff on my plate to deal with in the off-blog world to afford feeling belittled over here. I thus back off, enough for today, the diary I was at can wait.

As I like to say : by underestimating people's strengths you might get hurt. By understating their weaknesses, you are sure to hurt them.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:41:04 PM EST
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Geez, I took the 9 months from you comment, and I misinterpreted it.

But really, all that Fran is saying is that you cannot go away for a substantial period of time (ok, it's been 5 months, not 9) and expect that on your return everyone is going to know who you are, or what "Gone with the Windmill" is. Innuendo? Give me a break.

Ack, I shouldn't have pitched into this thread at all. If you're bent on misunderstanding what Fran said and then my attempt at explaining it, I'm doing more harm than good.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:55:23 PM EST
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And it's a family oriented holiday in the States so most of us here are away from computers.

Welcome back!

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:33:15 PM EST
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No, not from scratch - but there are quite a few new people who came after you left. There are still "oldtimers", though not all of them around today. And the new people might not know the background to your saga, which was really fun!!!! so PATIENCE!!! :-)
by Fran on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:19:14 PM EST
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Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:20:51 PM EST
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Agnes, it is so good to have you back!  Things just haven't been the same without you!!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 01:53:06 PM EST
Hurray! Welcome back Agnes!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 02:59:49 PM EST
At last, after all these months of reading dull economic diaries,  some real romance! It's like the perfume of the first spring flowers after a long winter...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:41:19 PM EST
I was at a dull economic diary right now, hoping to attract more readers that way. Thank you for your nice words, Melanchthon, and thanks to you Izzy and Bob.
Sorry Fran, but advising patience to me right now is like pulling a red flag right under a bull's nose.
May I suggest Jerome provides some off site background on how life has treated me lately to help you understand.
This forum cost me too much for me to be able to bear a newcomer label.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:50:55 PM EST
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Sorry Agnes, looks my English is not good enough to explain what I mean.
by Fran on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 05:53:34 PM EST
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You know, I was going to butt out of the thread but I find this May I suggest Jerome provides some off site background on how life has treated me lately to help you understand objectionable on several levels. If you are looking for community support having Jerome explain your private life to a select few over e-mail is not really going to cut it, and it's just going to make everyone feel awkward about inadvertently spilling the beans in a careless comment [I know e-mail/blog crossover is a huge headache for me already under ordinary unemotional circumstances]. Plus, you're dumping responsibility for fallout from this comment thread on Jerome, who had nothing to do with it and has enough on his real-life plate, too, as you surely know.

[BTW, the dinner invitation seems more appropriate than ever, seeing as though there is an off-site conversation to be had]

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 06:11:36 PM EST
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I was going to leave it at that as well, until I saw your comment, and would like to respond on a few points :
-Interpretation that I dump responsibility on Jerome is indeed to be put at your credit (you may remember the two of us tend to step in to defend Jerome while he is well placed to do so by himself when he feels it needed) but in the present situation, inaccurate ;
-What I went through is definitely too private to be displayed in such a wide space (as you pointed out, here are more than 2000 members) ;
-I did not mean to exclude anyone by discriminating between those who I could confide in and the others ; I apologise if that's what you sensed ;
-It drives me too emotional to talk and, worse, write about it, so I thought someone could sum it up in a less sensitive way than I would do ;
The last thing I would wish is add weight to anyone's burden, especially Jerome's.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 07:28:24 PM EST
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I don't think weighting who has more on their real-life plate leads us anywhere, especially with the distinct degrees of information at hand.
Okay, I give you a break with innuendos if you stop making them. It is truly offending to hint that I would put my interests before anyone's difficulties/distress. Lack of modesty does not imply utter selfishness.
I suggest a truce for now.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 07:46:11 PM EST
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I never said anything about who has more on their plate.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 at 07:52:40 PM EST
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