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Is Hain ...

Entirely innocent?   0 votes - 0 %
Unwise, but it does not matter?   1 vote - 33 %
In need of a long holiday, with his family?   0 votes - 0 %
In need of a stay, as a guest of Her Majesty (ie a prison term)?   0 votes - 0 %
Too valuable to Gordon Brown to lose?   0 votes - 0 %
Too aware of where the bodies are buried to sack?   0 votes - 0 %
A useful distraction from other Labour funding scandals?   2 votes - 66 %
3 Total Votes
Should he not have had an agent or a treasurer for his campaign? I can believe that Peter Hain himself would not have kept track of where money was coming from but he'd be foolish not to have given someone else the role.

On a personal level, I quite like him.  Politically I often don't.  I did manage to win an argument with him once, although it didn't change his vote on the Bill in question.

In situations like this, you don't really know what you are being fed by the media.  There are so many agendas to filter through that the real story drifts off into oblivion.  I largely tend to ignore these things now because I have no idea who to believe.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 05:50:21 AM EST
As inWales says, it's pretty hard to work out the truth of the situation form the reports in the media because, let's be frank, they have their own agenda and it is rarely the unblemished pursuit of truth..

however, let's say that the situation stinks like month-old fish.

However, I would take issue that british politics has always been clean. The Conservatives famously used the River Companies to channel funding anonymously, illegally and invisibly into party coffers from the Attlee government. The existence of these was only revealed in the early 80's (I think) by investigative reporter rosie Waterhouse (no other details known).

Also, our definition of sleaze has changed. UK's railway system may have been destroyed by Dr beeching in the 60s, but the man who appointed him earnt his money from road haulage and so was in a position to improve his business. This was not remarked upon at the time.

Equally, although we now have an investigation into the idea of buying honours, the automatic rewarding of generous donors to party funds has been going on since time immemorial. Indeed, at least one 20th century administration had a semi-official list of how much bought which honour.

However, corruption really only became a noticeable feature of the political scene during the Thatcher era when it was noticed that many Ministers and MPs who presided over various privatisations ended up with lucrative consultancies and directorships. This degenerated during the Major era when it was quite obvious that many were up to their necks in buying favours, taking bribes for votes and accepting the promise of directorships for favours.

the Labour party are not especially sleazy, however they are stupidly brazen about it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 01:11:37 PM EST
Fairly decent book on the history of corruption in the Tory party

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 02:04:55 PM EST
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It may just be that the establishment used to be better at covering up wrongdoing and the population was then too deferential to challenge "their betters".
by Gary J on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:31:14 PM EST
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