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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

It's just not cricket, that's all
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ok to consult the rubes when you think they will give you the answer you want anyway. What a twat that Cameron was...

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad
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I just noticed you forgot to mention the UK, the self styled sixth largest economic power in the world! How would the USA/Canada/Mexico bloc manage without them?

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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No hand bags.
Part of the metaphor is that it involves posh or little old ladies, not young louts...

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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You are still quite an afew
even if you are no longer a quiet afew

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: The Primacy of EU Law and its implications

Wheeze: for the non native speakers...
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wheeze cf. Bojo
wiːz
noun
informal*British
a clever or amusing scheme, idea, or trick.
"a new wheeze to help farmers"
synonyms: scheme, plan, idea, tactic, move, stratagem, ploy, gambit, device, manoeuvre, contrivance, expedient;

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: ECJ Ruling :: 3rd Option
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Which is why any fraud or breaches of election law can't invalidate the A50 process.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: ECJ Ruling :: 3rd Option
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Not an advisory one.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: ECJ Ruling :: 3rd Option
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Referendum is not a "democratic process"?

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on
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Everyone is entitled to their I told you so that you moment

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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Angry Tory rebels and Labour MPs vowed that they would attempt to force the government to hold a vote.
However, a government source says there would be no vote on a business motion to cancel Tuesday's vote. "We are replacing the business with a new statement but it isn't a motion and therefore isn't voteable," the source said.


by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on
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In story: The Primacy of EU Law and its implications

Re: The Primacy of EU Law and its implications
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The ECJ reached the simplest possible conclusion: agree entirely with Colman's opinion and ignore all those silly people talking about extracting a price or punishing the UK or whatever.

More seriously, this was always the most likely reading.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: Timely Piketty's Manifesto
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What is the optimal way to mask a silently crashing economy?
by das monde on
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In story: December Open Thread

Re: SATW SUBSIDARITY
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I'd love to hear her class on Auschwitz.

by eurogreen on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: Timely Piketty's Manifesto
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Inequality riots currently crashing the French economy. Sub-optimal.

by eurogreen on
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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: Timely Piketty's Manifesto
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One way or other, inequality is a part of the human sociality. Always useful when resources are tighter.
by das monde on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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Government sets the business schedule. The Commons could react with a no confidence motion. How many Tories would vote for that?

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on
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In story: 3 - 9 December 2018

Re: Of hostages, oil, and iPhones
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So the misogynous US president and the feminist Canadian premier team up to detain a powerful woman.

Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown...

Oops...

Oops...

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In story: It's still no deal

Re: "It's not me"
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I suggest you email the Supreme Court with your opinions just in case they make the wrong decision.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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Assuming Parliament allows her to. Perhaps.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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The noise now is that May is pulling out of the vote tomorrow.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on
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Piketty still wants to tackle the right problems with the wrong instruments
Manifesto by progressive Europeans calls for €800bn of levies to tackle inequality, disillusionment, climate change and migration
 The manifesto drawn up by Thomas Piketty and others addresses the inequality and populism sweeping the continent. Photograph: Eric Piermont/AFP/Getty Images
A group of progressive Europeans led by the economist and author Thomas Piketty has drawn up a bold new blueprint for a fairer Europe to address the division, disenchantment, inequality and rightwing populism sweeping the continent.
The plan, crafted by more than 50 economists, historians and former politicians from half a dozen countries, includes huge levies on multinationals, millionaires and carbon emissions to generate funds to tackle the most urgent issues of the day, including poverty, migration, climate change and the EU's so-called democratic deficit.

All fine up to this point...

At the heart of the manifesto is a call for a European assembly that would have a budget of up to €800bn a year, financed by taxing corporate profits more effectively, as well as income and wealth.
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The money would be overseen by a new European assembly consisting mostly of national politicians and some MEPs. While the assembly would be in touch with EU institutions, it would sit outside EU treaties and have the final word on spending.

Piketty is recycling his hobby horse of a Eurozone parliamentary assembly... which wasn't a ridiculous idea in itself... but this time round, he doesn't seem to reference the Eurozone at all. Colour me perplexed. What is this Frankenstein parliament for? Other than destroying the EU?

The public are invited to comment and improve the proposals, which the authors said were "not perfect, but ... do have the merit of existing".

I half agree.

Please don't read the list of signatories. Ok, read it, if you need a good laugh.

by eurogreen on
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maximise our impact in Europe

He's interested in the size and shape of the crater?


by eurogreen on
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No, it's Black Mirror the pigf*cker's been watching too much of

by eurogreen on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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Problem is, with the current circumstances, Everything that happens to Britain will be seen as self-inflicted.
Choices:
A: Cancel Brexit by parlimentary vote.
B: Take the deal, and become Norway writ large.
C: No deal.
When the UK crashes out in no-deal because it is too politically paralyzed to do anything else, accusing the EU of having been unreasonable will be obviously laughable.
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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Yes, the EU elections are the new Irish border.

The UK can't stay in beyond the EU elections, because they will have no representation.

Their seats have been re-allocated, there isn't time to allocate a new bunch and have that ratified by all parties.

by eurogreen on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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.... no, it's the DUP that needs throwing under a bus

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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: ECJ Ruling :: 3rd Option
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Legal feeling is that PM has the authority to withdraw but it would be most prudent to pass an act telling him or her to do so.

Referendum is constitutionally irrelevant: purely a political thing.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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In story: It's still no deal

Re: It's still no deal
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Seriously? What would you suggest as "compensation" for a backdoor to the EU market that you can literally drive a truck through?

and... Ultimately only the EU cares about no land border in Ireland? You don't agree that it's a constitutional problem for the UK? As well as a question of civil peace?

Or are you being ironic ?<deadpan>

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In story: After Brexit, Europe at a Crossroad

Re: ECJ Ruling :: 3rd Option
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<looks about for constitution, sees none, decides that in that case any fule can be an expert>

HM Gov't could take the decision unilaterally, but this particular HM Gov't doesn't have the kind of rock-solid majority in the Commons that would guarantee easy backing for the decision.

So we fall back on the hallowed convention that the House of Commons is sovereign. Ie, withdrawal of withdrawal would require a Commons vote.

A second referendum could satisfy the "democratic process" requirement, but would also require a Commons vote (as per the first referendum, established by Act of Parliament).

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on
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News and Views

 3 - 9 December 2018

by Bjinse - Dec 3, 90 comments

Your take on this week's news

 19 - 25 November 2018

by Bjinse - Nov 20, 134 comments

Your take on this week's news

 December Open Thread

by Bjinse - Dec 3, 12 comments

The main reason December is so jolly is because Santa knows where all the bad threads live

 November Open Thread

by Bjinse - Nov 6, 68 comments

Days decrease, and autumn grows, threads in everything

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