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Tropical Storm Vince to hit... Spain! (Updated)

by Carrie Mon Oct 10th, 2005 at 03:48:03 PM EST

According to this Spanish report, Hurricane Vince (now downgraded to Tropical Storm again) will hit Spain tomorrow. According to the Wikipedia, this is the first time that "V" is used since the current Naming scheme was adopted in 1953. For the life of me, I can't remember a tropical storm ever hitting Spain, but then again I didn't use to pay attention to such things before this year. Apparently, Hurricane Jeanne (1998) followed a very similar path to Vince, but was much weaker by the time it hit Portugal.

A tropical storm in the North-Eastern Atlantic is in many ways analogous to one in the SouthWestern Atlantic, where Hurricanes are also uncommon. I recently read that climatologists are still puzzled about Hurricane Catarina, which hit Brazil last year and is a unique event, and so much more indicative of changing weather regimes than an intensification of the North Atlantic hurricane season.

Steve Gregory calls Vince "an oddity" and "picture perfect". Jeff Masters sounds even more shocked:

Vince is definitely an oddball storm. First of all, it's ridiculous that we're up to a "V" storm in early October. Second of all, Vince formed in a very unusual location--off the coast of Portugal. No known tropical storm has ever formed so far north and east. Thirdly, Vince formed in a region where water temperatures were only about 24 C--usually, 26 C is needed! Fourthly, Vince is incredibly tiny--and was a hurricane for about 12 hours!
Update [2005-10-11 20:47:21 by Migeru]:Hurricane Vince became the first tropical storm on record to hit Spain when it made landfall near Huelva.


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that it brings some much needed rain to the area without any bad side effects.
by gradinski chai on Mon Oct 10th, 2005 at 03:57:17 PM EST
Yeah, a flash flood is just waht you need after a draught.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 10th, 2005 at 04:04:24 PM EST
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I saw this today what a trip!  I kept thinking, "You're going the wrong way."  How long do you hink it will be until Pat Robertson is talking about how this is proof that god is punishing Spain for gay marriage.....

Thers storms ar getting weird. I hate to think what happens if one of these bad boys meets up with a cold front near land, I'm thinking feet upon feet of snow.....

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by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Oct 10th, 2005 at 10:53:16 PM EST
Has Pat Robertson come out and "explained" the Pakistan earthquake yet?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 11th, 2005 at 03:36:07 AM EST
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I think he said it was a sign of the end of times..
by ------- on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 07:30:26 AM EST
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Did he say which numbered seal the Lamb had broken?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 07:43:07 AM EST
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Well, first, can you believe all the weird and wild nature stuff going on?? Secondly, let's do hope it brings lots of water to Portugal and Spain, without negative side effects. But...having grown up in Southern California, where the cycle has always been: hot weather, dried out land, wild fires, heavy rains and then mud slides...pretty regularly. So I see this news (and I hadn't heard of it befre this story, thank you very much...), I worry about a similar pattern. Hope it doesn't happen that way...

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by whataboutbob on Tue Oct 11th, 2005 at 02:04:18 AM EST
you could be looking at 10-25cm of rainfall in one day, even from a tropical storm... if it lingers for a couple of days... hope you're not anywhere near a flood plane... I've been through about 10 hurricanes or tropical storms myself now, and the flooding always sneaks up on people...

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by dood abides on Tue Oct 11th, 2005 at 05:41:26 AM EST
I was not joking when I talked about a draught followed by a flash flood. Spain (especially the Mediterranean coast) is prone to flooding at this time of the year, on the heels of scorching summer heat.

Over the last decade or so there have been two tragic flash floods in Spain, one in Biescas (Aragón) where a campsite in a mountain valley was washed away by a flash flood, and another in Extremadura where a whole neighbourhood was washed away by a swollen river.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 11th, 2005 at 07:30:00 AM EST
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