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Chavez to trigger Hurricane Uncle Sam?

by Jerome a Paris Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 01:50:44 PM EST



Chávez moves reserves out of US Treasuries

Venezuela has transferred a large portion of its $30.4bn of foreign reserves out of US Treasuries and into banks and other financial instruments in Europe, seemingly for political reasons.

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Domingo Maza Zavala, a central bank director, said this week that during the past four months $20bn (£11.3bn), most of which was in US Treasuries, had been liquidated and the funds sent to Europe. Much of that, he added, had been deposited at the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland.

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Buoyed by high oil prices Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, has seen the level of its international reserves rise to $31bn in recent weeks, from $24bn at the beginning of the year and from about $15bn in 2003.

So Chavez has brutally moved two thirds of his country's reserves outside of the dollar, in what is explicitly called a "political gesture".


Why does this matter?

Quite simply because the USA needs all the support it can get from all foreign central bank:



HOW A US CURRENCY CRISIS COULD UNFOLD

There are many ways a currency crisis could unfold for the US. One main one would be selling of UST bonds. That effectively would be dollar flight, first out of TBonds into dollar cash, then out of dollar cash into say, Yen. Or Yuan, or Euros....

Now at the moment I don't see this happening but it definitely can.

In such a scenario, if other foreign central banks did not all join to support the USD, it would be very possible that the USD could collapse not in weeks, but possibly in a day or even if things got hot, in an hour. Electronic money is so fluid that markets could be flooded in only an hour. Then the US would have to halt trading here, but of course there are foreign markets. I doubt the US could get the international forex markets to close too... in which case, the collapse would continue.

One of the things that concerns me is that the world really has geared their finance on the US consumer, and the US housing boom. (...) The US housing boom is peaking. We still have statistics indicating that its going strong, but also clear indications that it is slowing. It is my view that should the US consumer slow decidedly, there will be little incentive for the Chinese, say, to keep supporting the USD. They may decide at some point to go ahead and try to focus on their Asian markets, as might Japan, figuring that the US is toast anyway for a decade. Should that happen, I am sure we will be looking at a very serious possibility of a real bonafide USD crisis. Basically they would be saying, the US consumer market is maxed out, and not worth saving.

So would Chavez be giving the nudge that collapses that pyramid scheme?

Or will it not matter anyway?



We can't pay it off

All these debts keep piling up. Who's buying it? Nations with assets, that's who. China, Japan and India are among the heaviest buyers of U.S. debt. Over 52% of U.S. debt is now held by foreigners. If they ever decide to sell their debt, the dollar would plunge, causing a massive inflation in the U.S. Besides, do we really want so many dollars held by communist nations such as China? Isn't that detrimental to our national security?

One foreigner who's willing to vote with his feet is Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. He's selling his dollar reserves, pulling his country's money out the the U.S. and investing it in Europe. But, so far, other countries haven't followed his lead.

Suppose for a minute that foreign nations remain faithful to the dollar. Do we really believe that our government will have the financial wherewithal to repay its debts? We have explosive debts now: how can we repay those debts and future debts when the unprecedented burden of retiring baby-boomers hits the system? We can't.  One of two things will happen: either the Federal Reserve will embark on a system of hyper-inflation, such as what Germany saw in the 1920s, or our own government will default on its uncontrollable debt. There's no magic number to tell us when either one of those will happen. But anyone who reads between the lines can figure it out, and neither scenario will be pretty - especially if both occur.

U.S. bonds are considered the safest investment around. They are given top ratings by all ratings firms and are considered the least likely to default. But the pressure on the almighty dollar is building at such a rapid pace - $1.8 billion a day in trade deficits and over $1 billion a day in budget deficits - that the bond will have to cry "Uncle" at some point. It may be a year from now or ten years from now, but it will happen. I predict that by the time President Bush leaves office, the U.S. Treasury bond will no longer be rated investment grade.

Imagine what it will be like when you get no Social Security check. Or when your military pension stops. Or you can't afford the medicine you need to stay alive. Or, if you do get a check, it will be virtually worthless due to hyperinflation. We are headed to a system where those who have money - real money, that is - live, and those without it die. We've seen it with the government's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. Expect it to be far worse when Hurricane Uncle Sam hits.

And the political lesson, from that last article:



Our national debt stands at nearly $8 trillion. Our federal deficit, which had been scheduled to decline this year, will be about the same as last year (over $450 billion) after the disastrous costs of the hurricanes are added in. President Bush continually declines to say how we'll pay for the costs. But one rule has become much more clear: when Democrats are in control, we pay for the costs of government and our ballooning debt. When Republicans are in control, our kids and grandchildren pay.

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or crude oil prices in Euros?

I know where to find freely-available 180-day Euro/Dollar exchange rates, but I can't seem to get my hands on an oil price daily series.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 11:56:45 AM EST
"China, Japan and India are among the heaviest buyers of U.S. debt. "

Asian central banks have  bought hundreds of billions of dollars worth of US Treasury bonds in the past few years, and they are still the largest holders of US debt (especially Japan).  But in the last six months, they have not been buying in any significant quantity - they aren't selling either, but their ongoing buyers strike is somewhat omnious.  Fortunately for the US, other countries have taken up the slack, especially the oil exporters and Carribean banking centers (hedge funds).

I've been waiting for a dollar collapse for four years now, so I won't predict the future of the dollar, but it doesn't look good.

by corncam on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 12:26:12 PM EST
the article says the Venz just say it is for economic reasons (the dollar has become the peso) and analysts speculate that Chavez is behind the move.  No proof.
by HiD on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 01:58:17 PM EST
Well it's political because (i) it's a pretty big movement as far as the reserves of the country are concerned (although not in terms of overall US debt, obviously) and (ii) Chavez made a big deal of it, and in effect, is saying "the king is naked".

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 04:33:15 PM EST
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oh I believe you, and I suspect so does the US Govt.  but the Venz have not "explicitly" said so.....

they've pulled our beard a bit, but that's different than rubbing our nose in s--t.

by HiD on Fri Oct 7th, 2005 at 03:40:43 AM EST
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The operative word here is gesture. The article suggests that at some point China might decide that propping up the dollar and keeping US interest rates low isn't worth it may be right. However, when it implies that that wouldn't be that big a problem for China it is nuts. Export growth = economic growth for China. About one third of its exports go to the US. The idea that it could somehow just shift much of that to 'other Asia' without a serious slowdown in export growth or even a retreat - i.e recession -  seems ludicrous - how? Those economies combined are smaller than the US and unlike the US not oriented towards consumption.

Suppose for a minute that foreign nations remain faithful to the dollar. Do we really believe that our government will have the financial wherewithal to repay its debts?
Yes:

 The US fiscal problems are more political than structural and anyways not that outlandish compared other major economies. Yes government deficits are fairly high but not much worse than places like Germany or Italy after including Katrina.  Government tax revenues as a percentage of GDP are ridiculously low. The long term baby boomer problem is actually a lot worse in major euro economies like Germany and Italy than the US. Total government debt is about the same as  Germany, much lower than Italy (2004 figures as % of GDP are US 60.7, Germany 64.5 and Italy 106.6) Japan has even more ridiculous debt levels than Italy but it also has very low interest rates making its debt service rather cheap.  If you were going to pick a G-7 country's bonds to downgrade to junk I'd think Italy would be at the top of the list with Germany and the US tied for a distant second.

Now if you are talking current account problems we'd have a very different story. But we're not.

by MarekNYC on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 02:52:26 PM EST
  • I agree that US fiscal problems are not big in relative terms (relative to the US economy). The problem is that they are big in absolute terms - and thus relative to the capacity of the rest of the world to finance them, there IS a problem

  • I also agree that China has no interest to rock the boat. However, exports are reaching 50% of GDP, which is huge for an economy of that size, and is also unsustainable. So it won't last. And if they don't need to increase exports anymore, they can let the dollar slide somewhat. The difficulty is that it is not certain that the dollar will slide only a little...


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 04:36:36 PM EST
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the "political" tag should be taken with a grain of salt: since when is economy not politics ? or viceversa ? i dont think that chavez did his move for anything else than national interest. and in times like these, that is already a revolutionary act.

chavez' move was a sensible one IMO: more and more people are talking about the irresponsible fiscal policy of the bush regime, and the debt burden of the US is not a secret any more. the lousy attitude of the bush regime towards venezuela during the past months may have been what finally pushed chavez to implement an overdue measure designed to protect the value of their foreign reserves. that "for political reasons" recrimination could as well be seen in reverse: venezuela didnt get out of the US until they were literally pushed to do so by the continued bullying and insults of the US. he merely took his money out of an economy which is increasingly seen as unstable.

chavez' move was also a dangerous one: saddam started trading his oil-for-food money in euros, and that got him on the shitlist. if the embargo had stopped, iraq would have traded their oil in euros, with the consequent blow to the dollar monopoly over oil. if the bushies see chavez' move as a precursor to trading venezuelan oil in euros, that will land venezuela on their shitlist as well.

chavez (and venezuela) will probably not collapse the dollar by themselves, but they'll get others to think. and everybody knows what thinking people are for a bully.

by name (name@spammez_moi_sivouplait.org) on Thu Oct 6th, 2005 at 05:22:01 PM EST
eh, dare I say it? "Timber!"
by Lupin on Fri Oct 7th, 2005 at 02:29:45 AM EST
This can't happen yet.

I still haven't gotten the bulk of my assets out of dollars.

The collapse will just have to wait another 5-6 weeks. I'm sorry for holding it up, but I can't get my financial details worked out.

You're laughing...I'm serious.

by gradinski chai on Fri Oct 7th, 2005 at 04:10:49 AM EST


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