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US to Outsource Invasion of Syria to NATO

by DuctapeFatwa Tue Nov 15th, 2005 at 09:27:29 PM EST

At least partially.

NATO aircraft have been flying over Syria's borders in order to send a strong warning to Syrian President Bashar Al-Asad, according to the Kuwaiti A-Siyasah.

The over-flights are taking place above the borders with Turkey and Iraq, and include photographing the areas. The Syrian coastal region is also included in the flights.

"European diplomatic sources" said the flights are a warning to the Syrian regime indicating what can happen if President Al-Asad does not comply with international demands.

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And from yesterday, in case you missed it...


Within the past several weeks, President Bush has come within hours of ordering U.S. military forces to conduct aerial bombing raids against insurgent training camps inside Syrian territory that are being used by foreign fighters as a staging ground in which to enter Iraq and kill American soldiers. But Secretary of State, Condeleeza Rice and representatives from the Central Intelligence Agency have until now prevailed in convincing President Bush that Syrian President Bashar Assad can be reasoned with, according to high ranking officials within the Bush administration.

Heretofore Secretary of State Rice and the CIA have advocated patience in dealing with the Syrian leader on two accounts. For one, following September ll, 2001 Syrian officials, particularly its chief of military intelligence, Asef Shawkat, Assad's brother-in-law, now a key suspect in the death of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, worked closely with U.S. counter-terrorism agencies. Secondly, CIA officials have told the White House that a U.S. military attack inside Syria may destabilize the Assad government and there is no guarantee that a worse government, possibly an Islamist fundamentalist one, might replace it. Israeli intelligence officials have also expressed similar concerns to their Western counterparts.

White House insiders, however, report the reservoir of patience for Syria is all but evaporating by the hour. One official known to be strongly advocating a strike against Syria is President Bush's national intelligence director, John Negroponte....

"The problem with any U.S. aerial strike inside Syria is that we are not a thousand percent sure where all of these camps are located," explains one U.S. intelligence official. "But any such attack would surely bolster President Bush's sagging popularity in the short term." ....

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Those yellow magnet factories in China better put on some extra shifts to accomodate the coming groundswell of American Resolve.

(crossposted at BooMan Tribune)

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Good to see you here DF...and thank you for this news. I'm not so sure all European countries are so keen to support NATO's involvement, as just in the last few days the EU chose not to take sides on the Syria issue. If there is some way to put pressure on NATO, I hope it happens (though NATO includes the US and UK). This article is a start...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 02:38:29 AM EST

in this story was the admission by the "official" that expanding the crusade theatre more overtly (green night shots of bombs destroying Damascus) will improve the popularity ratings of Mr. Danger.

I regret to say I believe he is right.

I would like to see Europe, both NATO and non-NATO countries get off the crusade bus, but I am not optimistic that this will come to pass.

Ultimately, of course, it will be up to the people of Europe ;)

One man's conspiracy is another man's business plan.

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:54:49 AM EST
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The US can outsource flyovers and reconnaisance to NATO all they want, but European overnments would fall over a Syrian invasion.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:59:14 AM EST
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disaster capitalists. Halliburton could be called in to rebuild the fallen Europe.

And Paul Bremer is available for the decree writing tasks and I think he still has his yellow nation building boots for press conferences.

One man's conspiracy is another man's business plan.

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 11:08:41 AM EST
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The falls would be peaceful. Nothing to rebuild but the US' international standing.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 11:24:21 AM EST
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would be to immediately make it a colony of Finland.

All Europe should encourage the Finns to implement this immediately to save NATO and Syria and keep Bremer out of Paris.

One man's conspiracy is another man's business plan.

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 12:25:24 PM EST
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everything except war. NO, war is the business of almost half the US budget... so no.. they will never do this.

Another thing is to request help, or use the help provided that NATO is basically an extension of US in some situations. This could be one of them, if they ever bomb Syria... In any case there would be a couple of bombs.. not a campaign... that would be difficult to do and to messy to defend outside. SOme bombings of specific targets would be a wonderful distraction.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 09:22:56 AM EST
What do you mean the can't outsource war? The US army is full of Mexican nationals, and Halliburton and Blackwater can hire as many foreigners as they like. In fact, there are thousands of Chilean and South African mercenaries in Iraq (ex-Pinochet and ex-Apartheid, gotta love it).

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 09:28:46 AM EST
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.. I was talking about the high tech and the command of the operation.

Of course, using poor people and outsourcing the soldier is OK (you know, today I am a little bit sarcastic).

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:34:09 AM EST
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How about proxy wars? The Cold War was fought continuously for 40 years through outsourcing.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:36:38 AM EST
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proxy wars are always fine, where something is at stake but not that much and you really do not want anybody to know (where anybody means US)...the real ones with high tech, for TV... no way, no outsourcing.

Could you imagine a European (French) militar making a briefing for CNN, .. NO WAY!!!!)

I am really  in a sarcastic mood today!!!

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:57:00 AM EST
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The origin of the mistake is that in my comment I mean wars declared as such for the americans. Also bombing declared as a war (whatever war). We eruopeans have such a loose defination for war... we never learn!!!

So, the US did outsource wars but not the ones they called wars and wanted the public to be called as such. I think everything makes sense now... sort of.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:59:48 AM EST
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is this that fight you were talking about starting on another thread? <heh>

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 11:10:33 AM EST
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No, but if he doesn't write that promised diary about Economics and the Second law of Thermodynamics I'm going to have to start to troll-rate his comments. </snark>

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 11:22:52 AM EST
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