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Last days for Tony Blair? Will Bush be next?

by smintheus Tue Nov 8th, 2005 at 02:58:47 AM EST

Back from front page ~ whataboutbob

Tony Blair is facing a series of revolts among Labour MPs, and the most dazzling yet is taking shape now...a Parliamentary investigation of Blair's government during the run-up to the Iraq War. The implications for George Bush are dire, as the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence now is being forced to open its long delayed investigation into the manipulation of intelligence by the Bush administration.

Reporter Michael Smith (who published the Downing Street Memo and other leaked documents) has an important story in the Sunday Times, MPs unite for inquiry into Blair's conduct over Iraq. I hate to insist, but it is a must read.

TONY BLAIR is set to face an unprecedented parliamentary inquiry into his conduct in the run-up to the Iraq war.

A coalition of Tory and Labour MPs is to table a motion to set up a Commons committee to examine "the conduct of ministers" both before and after the war. They believe they need the support of about 30 Labour rebels to succeed.


The coalition is being assembled by Tory MP Douglas Hogg and already has the support of the small parties in Parliament (Lib. Dems, Scottish and Welsh Nationalists). If the Tories stick together in demanding the inquiry, then a few dozen Labour rebels can put Blair under the hot lights. The inquiry will also focus on the role of several other Cabinet ministers in selling the war: Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary; Geoff Hoon, then the Defense Secretary; and the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith.

There are good reasons for thinking that Hogg can find several dozen Labour MPs who would be willing to put Blair's government on the spot. Blair has been in trouble with Labour backbenchers since the nearly disastrous election in May.

The Sunday Times has a second important article here that gives an overview of Blair's problems with Labour MPs on a series of issues. Many of them are deeply dissatisfied with the direction that Blair has been taking the UK. All of this is very reminiscent, actually, of the situation that George Bush faces.

There are many grounds for the swelling dissatisfaction with Blair among Labourites. It has become so intense that I see very good reason to think that Labour rebels may also be keen to punish Blair by helping to open an inquiry into how he took the UK to war in Iraq. If that inquiry occurs, it is sure to be devastating given the types of documents that have come to light in the last year, in particular the Downing Street Memo. I think this could be the impetus to something huge.

The autumn of discontent

Labour lost so many seats in the May election that immediately there was talk in the Party's upper echelons that Blair would have to step down soon and allow Gordon Brown to take over as Prime Minister. Blair clearly wants to stay longer than many of his MPs desire, and he's been trying all summer and autumn to rebuild a sense of inevitability around his retaining power. What he has done, however, is postpone a crisis within the Party rather than forestall it entirely.

In fact, Blair tried to regain momentum in much the same way as George Bush did after his November election, by introducing a series of extraordinary reforms--with much the same results. The initiatives have dragged him down. Blair's `reforms' look increasingly right-wing, and increasingly Laborites have been opposing him on them.

For example, Blair introduced a bill in Parliament that's been likened to the Patriot Act. It would give sweeping powers to the police in the UK to detain terror suspects for fully ninety days without charge. In a key vote last week on the bill, Blair was almost defeated (he barely managed to get a majority of only one--the session has been called a mauling of Blair). Next week Blair had intended to push for another vote on part of this bill, even though the chief Labour whip has warned Blair of defeat if he does go ahead (per the Sunday Times).

If Blair insists on putting the proposal to the vote on Wednesday, a defeat could trigger calls for a vote of confidence in his government.

The Observer, in it's own story on Blair's troubles, states that yesterday Blair did a U-turn in the face of almost certain defeat:

Tony Blair was preparing a humiliating climbdown over anti-terror laws last night in what will be seen as a further blow to his dwindling personal authority.

Senior Downing Street sources said that although the Prime Minister remains personally convinced that allowing police to detain suspects for up to 90 days without trial is essential to combating the threat from al-Qaeda, he has now accepted that in the present political climate he will have to compromise.

Without a change, Blair faced the prospect of his first defeat in the House of Commons this week, with MPs warning that he would have to quit if he lost and the Tories threatening to shoot down the entire anti-terror legislation. He was also facing protests within his own cabinet.

In an unusual step, No 10 has withdrawn from negotiations on the controversial 90-day rule and left the Home Secretary, Charles Clarke - who is understood to have protested that rejecting a deal would put him in an impossible position - to find a compromise.

The terror bill has raised fears across the political spectrum of the incrimental rise of a police state. After the brutal killing in the London underground of an unarmed and innocent young man, Jean Charles de Menezes, by a special unit of the Metropolitan police trained in anti-terrorist operations, the sweeping powers granted police in the terror bill have been viewed with increasing concern. Over time, the news has only gotten worse. It's increasingly clear that the Metropolitan police utterly botched the surveillance of de Menezes; had no real grounds for suspecting that he was dangerous; killed him after he was subdued; and assisted in spreading false stories about the operation to cover themselves. All of that makes people less willing to make vast concessions to allow police to work beyond normal scrutiny. Yet Blair has tried to proceed with his terror bill as if it were just a question of selling it successfully. Like the ham-fisted head of the Metropolitan police, Blair looks increasingly out of touch and authoritarian.

Blair has also introduced several other `reforms' of British government that to many Labourites look more appropriate to a Tory government. One of his plans calls for an increase in the private sector's role in the National Health Service, the crown jewel of the British social welfare system. Another plan hatched by Blair would take local state schools out of the hands of local authorities. That is just this side of political suicide. Indeed, Blair's deputy PM, John Prescott, is resisting him on the Education bill--causing other Laborites to be more forceful in opposition. As the Sunday Times reports:

Of the 61 backbenchers who responded to a Sunday Times survey, only 11 actively supported the proposed changes in education, 25 were opposed and 16 had doubts. On the NHS reforms, 21 were against and 10 had doubts. On Blair's proposals to increase to 90 days the time police can hold terror suspects without charge, 20 were opposed and one had doubts.

One Labour MP from Manchester went on record with the Sunday Times about Blair's situation:

"Tony Blair's authority has diminished for a whole series of factors," he said. "The education paper is almost universally unpopular, and not just among backbenchers. It's as close as you can get to zero support. What's being trailed on the health white paper I suspect will face universal opposition. I am opposed."

In addition, Blair's government is enmeshed in charges of corruption (I said he was resembling Bush more every day). One of his Cabinet ministers, David Blunkett, had to resign (for the second time) from the Cabinet last week over charges of corruption, and Blair has been lambasted for doing nothing to uphold the code of ethics for ministers.

Furthermore, Christopher Meyer (former Ambassador to the U.S.) has weighed in very publicly against Blair on several issues. Blair's troubles in recent months, Meyer said, are very reminiscent of the last days of John Major's government. Meyer suggested Blair has reached "the point of no return."

Criticism by Meyer will carry weight. The former ambassador contradicted Blair's comments on the July 7 attacks by claiming "there is plenty of evidence" that "home-grown terrorism was partly radicalised and fuelled" by Iraq. "Don't tell me being in Iraq has nothing to do with it . . . To say otherwise is barking mad," he said.

The Prime Minister has given an interview to The Guardian in which he says that the Tories are trying to "decouple" him from Labour. He terms the mounting attacks upon his leadership "an elephant trap".

He [Blair] urged restive Labour MPs not to fall for the Tory claim that he is implementing a "helter-skelter" reform programme simply to secure his own personal legacy....The tone of yesterday's interview in Sedgefield suggests the prime minister is determined to press ahead with the reform programme, but now recognises the dangers to his leadership if a wedge is driven between him and his party. "This is a very tough and critical moment for the Labour party, I do not doubt that at all," Mr Blair said....What the Tories had done was "set an elephant trap with neon signs around it, and some in Labour want to drive straight into it", he claimed.

It could not happen to a nicer elephant, as far as I'm concerned.

All in all, it looks increasingly like a serious crisis for Blair. Gordon Brown was even encouraged to call wavering MPs from overseas (where he is on business) to ask them to support Blair next week with the terror bill vote--since abandoned.

Whither Blair?

Briefly, pundits around Britain largely agree that Blair is very weakened and subject to attacks that now appear to be persistent and almost unstoppable. Unflattering comparisons are being made to John Major's collapse, which looked very similar. Major has even weighed in on ITV, saying that there is more sleaze in Blair's government than there had been in his own. Blair's climbdown over the terror bill vote for next week confirms that he feared he was about to face more intense calls for his resignation, if (as likely) he lost the vote.

It is fair to say that his grip on power is shaky. This may make it more likely that the inquiry into the use of pre-war intel will go ahead.

The Sunday Times quoted Sir Menzies Campbell, the foreign affairs spokesman for the Lib Dems:

"Information that has emerged, in particular the memos leaked to The Sunday Times, strengthen overwhelmingly the case for an inquiry into the judgments of ministers, and in particular the prime minister, in the run-up to war and thereafter," he said.

The evidence of outright deception by the Blair government has been well documented in the last year. In particular, the Downing Street Memo raised major questions that have never been seriously addressed by Blair.

The same of course can and will be said of George Bush. If an inquiry of Blair goes forward, it will help to ensnare Bush. Any news from the UK on this subject will be transmitted at lightning speed to the US.

I am anticipating news on a stunning scale. To date, the British have been leaking important and substantive information about the manipulation of WMD intel. The opposition within the government and in Labour is reasonably firm, and I suspect that its resolve will only grow stronger.

Cross posted at Daily Kos

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Important post, well written and thorough too...thank you very much!! If you happen to have any links to post in a comment on the Downing Street Memos, it would be good, since most of that happend before Euro Trib was born. (And please come and write more...)

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 05:50:39 AM EST
I would suggest After Downing Street (US) and Impeach Blair (UK) for background.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 07:22:39 AM EST
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Thanks for the compliments, I'm glad you found it interesting.

As a matter of fact, I have tons of info about the Downing Street Memo, which I've been writing about since April 30th. I'm proud to say I played a role in pushing the DSM story until it became big news in the U.S.. Most of my early reports on DSM are not archived on the internet, but here is a link to one of my first stories that still is viewable at MyDD.

I also had a daily series of diaries at Daily Kos during June, called 'Awaken the Mainstream Media'. They are lengthy and detailed about the DSM, and the campaign I was organizing to convince US journalists to report more seriously about the DSM. Many of these June diaries can still be read at dKos, if you search back through my postings, at this page:

http://www.dailykos.com/user/smintheus

I'd say the best one-stop place to learn about the document is at a website I helped several other bloggers to organize beginning just a few weeks after the Memo became public:

http://www.DowningStreetMemo.com

Among other things, you'll find analysis of the document; links to many articles and editorials on the DSM; surveys of what the Bush administration was saying about WMD at various stages; and a massive timeline charting the march to war. There's also a blog there devoted specifically to that document.

Otherwise, there were dozens of diaries at Daily Kos during May and June on the document. One further story that I believe is highly important is this one I posted at several sites, regarding what Robin Cook had to say about the march to war:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/7/11/17239/8989

by smintheus on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:32:18 AM EST
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Have you been following the various connecting threads between Italy, the UK and the US that are clearly emerging? And then the CIA gulag stuff. Not to mention creeping neo-conservatism? We have been talking about this around these parts since Euro Trib started in June, so join in on the conversation.

Since you have experience with the Downing Street papers, it will helpful to keep us here in Europe informed on any developments with Blair you hear about.

With your Downing Street experience, maybe you will have suggestions for us about how we can better spread the information gathered here (see our debate box) to media in Europe. We have been talking about similar dkos type action here at ET and at our side project that is slowly developing:

http://locustwatch.blogspot.com/

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 11:41:53 AM EST
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Yes, I have been following those stories. In fact, I've written several things about the Repubblica reports on the Niger Yellowcake, and about Berlusconi's troubles (most recently, this preview of Berlusconi's trip to Washington).

Over the last year I've been closely following the news about the American system of gulags, "extraordinary rendition", and Bush's love affair with torture. Again, I've written some reports on these subjects (most recently, this report).

I'm glad I finally stopped by this site. I'll be happy to contribute as best I can. Yes, I've learned quite a bit about effective methods of pushing news stories into the mainstream American press. At least some of it would be applicable to European journalism as well. I give talks on the subject to activist groups in the US, and I'd be very happy to offer my insights here.

by smintheus on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:12:25 PM EST
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Last days for Tony Blair? No, he just got re-elected.
Last days for George Bush? No, he just got re-elected.

It's not like the scandals are new. People voted these guys back into office after factoring them in.

John Major lost in 1997 as part of a massive collapse of the Conservative Party. Are you predicting a comparable collapse now of the Labour or Republican parties?

I think this is wishful thinking...  :-(

by asdf on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 04:13:01 PM EST
Except that Blair was not subject to the popular vote. Labour candidates did not want Blair's face on their campaign literature, and no British party has ever won a majority in parliament with a lower fraction of the popular vote (about 35%?). There was already a revolt of Labour back-benchers brewing before the election, and you can bet those who spoke against the war got reelected.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 05:03:29 PM EST
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point on Bush is totally accurate.
by wchurchill on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 09:25:23 PM EST
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We'll see about Bush after 2006, although I don't expect the Dems to win a majority in either house.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 7th, 2005 at 03:13:00 AM EST
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Some of Blair's scandals and other woes are indeed new, as I tried to show in this report. And some of the scandals that had surfaced before May have become bigger and much more clearly documented in the interim. So, yes, some of this is new news.

The same goes for Bush, and even more so, since none of the leaked British documents were known in the US before the November election.

In both cases, the public is largely fed up with the leader and members of his party are seriously concerned or angry with him. That is the political atmosphere in which a leader can be retired, or removed against his will.

This might be set down as wishful thinking in the midst of political doldrums, except that the charges being made against both leaders regarding the Iraq war are extraordinarily serious. Reasonable people can conclude that they committed crimes by invading a sovereign nation. That the operation has become a quagmire makes matters worse, politically.

Ultimately, both leaders could fall afoul of the charge that they deceived the public. In the US, a majority (58%) now believes that Bush lied about the grounds for war. That is grounds for impeachment. The same holds for the ejection of Blair from the Labour Party leadership.

What has stood in the way, so far, of any movement in that direction has been the lack of official investigation of the charges that appear to most of us to be well founded. That is why I wrote this report. Last week, the Democrats in the US Senate forced the issue of an investigation of Bush. Now we hear that Parliament may initiate an investigation of Blair Twin investigations, potentially working in tandem--that could unravel both governments quite conceivably.

That does not require that either the Republicans or Labour lose control of government. The comparison to Major's collapse is based upon similarities of circumstances: an endless series of scandals, a seeming inability to get clear of accusations to govern, a reputation for sleaze. In other words, it was a long, slow train wreck for Major. Observers in the UK see the same thing happening to Blair.

He would have to be pushed hard to resign, but it has been done to PMs in the past. Bush would be a harder nut to crack because the only avenue available is the more serious one of impeachment. Still, American journalists are now starting to discuss the possiblity.

by smintheus on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 09:47:02 PM EST
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I don't think that what stands in the way--in either case, Bush or Blair--is the lack of official investigations. What stands in the way is that no proposal is forthcoming from anybody about what to do instead. That includes:

  • What to do about Iraq, now that we're there.
  • What to do about Iran, Syria, etc.
  • What to do about Israel versus Palestine.
  • What to do about American dependence on Middle Eastern oil.
  • What to do about the proliferation of WMDs.

It's easy enough to say that Bush or Blair is a crook and should be out of office, but getting them out of office won't solve any of these problems--in fact, if Cheney gets in as a result it would certainly be even worse. I don't know whether Brown would be worse or not.

The European approach to these problems is heavily dependent on negotiation, with a large helping of denial, but that method is not (yet) accepted in American circles.

What is the proposed path to take after Bush and/or Blair is impeached?

by asdf on Mon Nov 7th, 2005 at 10:26:04 PM EST
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Sure, we need to find solutions to the many problems created or exaccerbated by Bush. But what to do about any of them is a separate question from whether Bush, or Blair, is likely to be placed in political jeopardy (or whether they should be removed from power). When Nixon was pushed out in 1974, there was no widespread hand-wringing in the US about the need to solve all the nation's problems first.
by smintheus on Mon Nov 7th, 2005 at 11:39:42 PM EST
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Perhaps, but Gerald Ford was already an appointed VP, and was chosen for his moderation an inoffensive personality, and was approved by both the Senate and the House.

Dick Cheney is an extremist, perhaps the most extreme in the current administration. Do we really want to elevate him to the Presidency?

I think it makes more sense to work for appropriate Senate and House candidates for the 2006 election (less than a year away). It would be more productive on almost all counts...

by asdf on Tue Nov 8th, 2005 at 08:27:45 PM EST
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If Bush is accountable for lying to the nation about Iraq, so is Cheney. There's still only a small chance that Bush can be forced out, but the chances probably are greater for getting rid of Cheney.
by smintheus on Tue Nov 8th, 2005 at 10:19:30 PM EST
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changeover will probably take place at an advatageous time for the Labour party. After all with no imminent elections it will be the Labour party that makes the choice.
by observer393 on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:52:51 PM EST
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is already underway, and as a result will be finished soon, but that the Republicans were definitely dragging their feet.  But also that one of the reasons for delay is on the issue  of whose use of the information is being reviewed.   Phase II is was susposed to review how intelligence was used and whether the data accurately predicted the postwar situation, and the committee was to look at statements from administration officials and members of Congress, to see if there was any misuse.  I heard on TV, but haven't been able to document this, that the Democrats wanted the report to only look at the executive branch, and not how the information was used by members of Congress.  Are you aware of this, or is it bunk?
by wchurchill on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:39:34 PM EST
There's no evidence that's ever been produced to show that Phase II is under way. Sen. Pat Roberts said that it was underway last summer, but he is a liar. Nothing whatever was done then or subsequently. Roberts also claimed, after Sen. Reid forced the issue last week, that he had told both Reid and Sen. Rockefeller that he planned to hold hearings on Phase II the following week, and thus the hard line Reid took was just a stunt to take credit for the hearings. But both Reid and Rockefeller have stated that Roberts told them nothing of the sort.  The reason that Phase II never occured is simply that Roberts blocked it, and resisted every attempt the Dems made to get the Committee to do its job. Roberts is the lowest kind of politician, and nothing he says should be trusted unless it can be verified independently.

I had never heard of the other issue you mention. It could be that the GOP thinks, if Phase II goes ahead despite their best efforts to block it, that they can muddy the waters by introducing the irrelevant issue of what the Congress did with the crappy reports the Bush administration gave it. It sounds to me like a non-issue.

by smintheus on Mon Nov 7th, 2005 at 01:06:03 AM EST
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thanks, your comments make sense.  Though I do think Congressional statements pushing the war should be reviewed as carefully as the administration.  They were just as big a part of this whole situation, made their decisions and statements based on the same information.  Why should they get a free ride on this--both republicans and democrats.
by wchurchill on Mon Nov 7th, 2005 at 01:29:06 AM EST
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Congressmen who went along with the invasion of Iraq ought to be held accountable, but by whom and how? They're not going to punish themselves.

Incidentally, they did not have the same intel as Bush. I know, Bush has been saying for years that they did, but Bush is a liar. Congressmen were told very little, given few details, and all the contrary evidence and qualifications had been stripped away. What they received was essentially a glossy brochure, a case for war, not an accurate overview of what the intelligence officials had to say about the state of knowledge about Iraqi WMD. So they are far less guilty than administration officials who knew how little support there was for these claims about Iraq.

by smintheus on Mon Nov 7th, 2005 at 11:28:32 PM EST
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