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The Torture Biz: Selling Our Soul for Disinfo Rubbish

by revel8n Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:44:49 PM EST

Selling our souls for Dross

The Sundance Channel is currently reshowing the 2005 documentary by investigative reporter Andrew Gilligan and producer Sarah McDonald  Torture: The Dirty Business.  The whole one hour documentary is well worth the time: see it if you can!  It exposes the multinational torture industry, HQed by the U.S.  The U.S. and U.K. lead this industry by both creating supply and demand.  They supply victims through the practice  "extraordinary rendition": kidnapping unconvicted, unindicted, uncharged (!) Al Queda suspects who are then exported to other countries for torture processing and then purchasing the torture "information product" for U.S. and U.K. consumption.  Perhaps the most ironic part is the fact the "information" obtained this way is so useless it would best be sent straight to the dust bin.  Let's us fast forward to the last segment of the documentary [jump down]:

Craig Murray is the former U.K. ambassador to Uzbekistan.  Murray's investigations uncovered the Uzbekistan government's widespread engagement torture of thousands every year manufacture disinformation about Al Queda to feed to MI6 and the CIA.  It would not be exaggerating to call this torture business a Uzbekistan government industry for disinformation export.  He wrote a strong report to his superiors making it clear that the torture "product" the U.K. and U.S. are purchasing from Uzbekistan was in his words "useless" and was entirely confabulated to conform to what the CIA and MI6 wanted to hear and coined the phrase "selling our souls for dross" to describe this.  

Upon receiving Murray's report, rather than halt the practice, the U.K. government actually sacked Murry from his ambassadorship!  Afterwards Murray expected public and media outrage to swell and stop the British  practice of encouraging torture by proxy.  He was taken aback when that didn't happen and now reports he's concluded that the UK doesn't stand for the values that he thought it did any longer.

See also the Scotland Herald review of this documentary by Damien Love entitled "Pain But No Gain: The reality of torture".

Murray may be somewhat relieved at this point since the House of Lords just this past week that it will no longer admit any evidence produced by the torture industry and meanwhile the McCain amendment is being hammered out in Washington.   Will this truly halt the U.S. and U.K.'s consumption of "torture product"?  Officially anyway maybe yes.  We'll see if MI6 and the CIA stop it in reality.

Will the torture business will save the U.S./U.K. economy?
. Yes, the latest Military Industrial complex product offering! 0%
. No because the highest paying part has already been offshored! 0%
. Yes, together with the election fraud industry the CIA/MI6 is leading the way to excellent economic . 50%
. Yes, Bushey/Cheney/Blairey have much to be pleased about (see Bushey's speech this past week). 0%
. No, Bushey should take notes from Steve Jobs on product intro presentation (a la iPod). 50%

Votes: 2
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Great recolection..

But torture is not for getting any info.. torture has to do with publicity and with getting confessions: the purpose is not the information but to show that someone declared himself guilty of something you want.

In this war on terror is very important to say that you capture terrorists. The best way is to have someone saying that he is guilty of terrorism.. how to do it? with torture.. you just do not say that it is torture... enhanced interrogatory is the last name?

It is also very good for publicity to rally the authoritarian crowd in some parts of this jew-christian culture of us.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:45:52 PM EST
by revel8n on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:48:19 PM EST
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Exactly.. the whole point of propaganda

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 02:59:21 AM EST
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Public torture like during the Spanish Inquisition is a good way to enforce one's authority.

Secret torture can only be for revenge or to extract information. The Nazis and the Soviets used it to find the other members of dissident cells. It seems to have worked, especially if you discount all the false positives (which they didn't care about).

Even promoting the suspicion of torture, by "disappearing" people is a useful tool for authoritarian regimes. Others assume the missing were tortured, not just killed and are reluctant to join any sort of opposition.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 04:30:22 PM EST

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