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Malawi - Bot - Cheney - EU criticism An Overview and Update

by Oui Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 07:30:13 AM EST

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Parliaments across Europe demand an investigation :: the United Kingdom, Ireland, Poland, Germany, Spain and today the EU Parliament added their voice.

The remarks last week by Condoleezza Rice the U.S. respects the sovereignty of nations and meets U.S. Law and Obligations, is diplomatic speak for the secret service of each country is cooperating in CIA rendition and flights throughout Europe.

CIA Secret Flights: Part 16 ◊ by soj @EuroTrib

Since it was behind closed doors, we'll never know exactly what the German government told parliament, but it seems like the FDP party is not convinced that they got the whole truth. And poor El-Masri - link -, that guy's story is looking ever more credible.

German FM Frank-Walter Steinmeier under pressure ...


German Ministers Deny Involvement in CIA Affair


Chancellor Merkel with ministers Schäuble, left, and Steinmeier

Meanwhile Germany's Stern magazine has reported that it is increasingly likely one of the secret prisons was located in Poland.

Malawi Extraordinary Renditions
Dutch FM Bot
MI6: Kidnap and torture in Athens? by talos @EuroTrib
Cheney Visit to CIA Camp in Poland
Evidence CIA Rendition & Flights Credible ¶ HR Council of Europe

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... of de Volkskrant regarding various ministers' folding to Condi and saying "hey, she's convinced me that everything is just fine!"

I specifically targeted Bot, saying that it's outrageous that he bought Condi's propaganda.

They didn't print my letter, even though it was polite;  they usually print letters like that, even if they're very critical of the government.  Oh well, maybe next time.

(And yes, my written Dutch is just fine, heh.)

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 07:39:27 AM EST
Beware, you're speaking to a fan of Jan Peter...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 07:46:32 AM EST
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do you have a link?

I have sent several letters to Dutch parliament and JP, no replies yet. JP at least has software installed to confirm the message has been received - LOL.

Perhaps there is interest for an EuroTrib lobby at Lange Voorhout near het Binnenhof?

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
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Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 08:01:20 AM EST
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I never got to hear how this tangle was settled... Any news you know about the location of the US Embassy?
by Nomad on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 03:44:56 PM EST
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City Council - June 2

    Burgemeester Deetman gaat onder druk van de Haagse gemeenteraad aan de Amerikanen twee alternatieve locaties voorleggen voor de nieuwe vestiging van hun ambassade.

    De verhuizing zal daardoor niet binnen vijf jaar plaatsvinden. De nieuwe locaties zijn: de hondenrenbaan - Oostersportpark - aan de Benoordenhoutseweg, en het rugbyterrein aan de Theo Mann-Bouwmeesterlaan - nabij hockey sportpark HDM.

Both locations are within city limits of Wassenaar.

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"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
 

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by Oui on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 04:32:10 PM EST
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I was in Spain those early days of June... Somehow, if you miss the news about these things, you would never know until the next chapter is reached...

It took me 2 years to learn that the entire monarch family in Nepal was butchered by the royal heir in 2001. I was abroad at that time, far away located from press coverages, as so often happens in my field. When I came back, it didn't get any more coverage...

by Nomad on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 10:36:35 PM EST
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Hey, hey, letters to the editor must be posted as diaries!

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 08:10:44 AM EST
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Must try NRC Handelsblad - their letters to editor section extends to weekend edition and is screened for quality! Should be easy vlinders.

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 08:11:45 AM EST
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I hold Ben Bot still as one of the more respectable ministers of the Dutch government, and applauded him when he took a noticeable critical stance (more critical than many other EU ministers) towards Rice. The more baffled I was when the next day the slate had been completely wiped clean by one single statement, especially one that remains dubious enough, something soj showed in one of his CIA series.

In the meantime, this story has not stopped rolling at all - and that to me is the most important right now.

by Nomad on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 03:53:35 PM EST
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Hell - no torture!

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by Oui on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 08:35:46 PM EST
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CIA Flights They Gripe About?
Here's Europe's AGREEMENT for them

The meeting gave the US permission for "renditions" -- kidnapping Muslims off the streets of Europe -- and CIA flights to take them to prison without trial (and, it turns out, to torture). Here's the link -pdf file.

Furthermore, the US has secret CTICs -- joint-venture spy nests -- in over 25 countries!

Condoleeza Rice is right, Gerhard Schroeder is wrong: The secret services in these countries certainly knew what we were doing because they were doing it with us! I will list the countries I know about.

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Bombardier Dash 8-Q315 at Mazar i Sharif -
OAMS in Afghanistan Registration N505LL
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Photo Richard Potts

DIA & Israeli Spying

My personal view, I find nothing in the document that leads to extrajudicial rendition and CIA torture flights.

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For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 10:30:41 AM EST
I find nothing in the document that leads to extrajudicial rendition and CIA torture flights.
I have to agree...


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 10:41:21 AM EST
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EU Presidency Blair and CIA Torture

Malawi Suspects Interrogated in Zimbabwe
How Extraordinary is Extraordinary Rendition?

Story broke these days on BBC World radio - early days in War on Terror - any links difficult to find.

Al-Qaeda suspect's ordeal
BBC story August 1, 2003 - Thx to reb for link.

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by Oui on Thu Dec 15th, 2005 at 08:20:38 PM EST
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US Learns From Dutch Flood Dykes

A US delegation is in the Netherlands to study the flood control systems protecting a country that lies further below sea level than New Orleans. The 50-member delegation includes the Governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco, US senators and business leaders.

In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the US is looking to learn from the experience of the Netherlands. Water management experts will be showing the US visitors its massive system of dams and sea walls.

Blanco to Join Tour of Dutch Flood Barriers

BATON ROUGE (Nola.com) Dec. 30 -- Gov. Kathleen Blanco will join a delegation of about 50 national and state officials going to the Netherlands next month to learn more about that nation's advanced flood protection systems, her spokesman said Thursday.

Headed by U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., the group will tour various sites and meet with officials and engineers who helped design the massive structures and technology that protect the Netherlands from North Sea storm surges. Experts say that parts of the state-of-the-art system could be adapted to helping protect New Orleans from hurricane storm surge.


 

The delegation also includes U.S. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., U.S. Rep. William Jefferson, D-New Orleans, state Sens. Ken Hollis, R-Metairie, and Butch Gautreaux, D-Morgan City, St. Bernard Parish President Junior Rodriguez, New Orleans City Councilman Oliver Thomas, coastal restoration experts, port and levee officials and others.

The Netherlands' ambassador to the U.S. invited Landrieu after Hurricane Katrina broke floodgates and levees, flooding most of New Orleans and all of neighboring St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes.

They will leave from New Orleans on Jan. 8 and return Jan. 13.

Dutch Ambassador Eenennaam Visits New Orleans
Our Dutch Friends Can Help Us Save New Orleans ◊ by Urizon
Levees and Alternatives ◊ by SusanHu

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
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by Oui on Tue Jan 10th, 2006 at 01:09:19 PM EST


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