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Defeat in Iraq: Blame the Liberals

by d52boy Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 12:00:43 AM EST

When I watched the Senate Armed Forces Committee question Rumsfeld and the generals the other day, only Kennedy and Byrd were off-topic. Everybody else was onside with the Pentagon: build up the political side, build up the Iraqi defense forces, hold the line in the meantime, and eventually we will see a functioning democracy, a moderate, free Iraq--with perhaps a small, persistent, but manageable insurgency continuing more or less indefinitely. Lots of talk about positive polling in Iraq: the vast majority support US presence, and think that things are getting better. The troops, too, are happy to be there, feel great about the mission, and are appreciated by the vast majority of locals. Insurgents and their supporters constitute 'one-tenth of one percent' of Iraqis. And although Kennedy and Byrd were clearly not buying this, they also were ineffective in putting forward an alternative view.

Why? Because the only alternative is too radical for them.


To say that "a free, democratic Iraq" is code-language for a US client state that will guarantee the availability of oil and make peace with Israel. To point out that if you allow real democracy in Iraq, the most probable result is civil war and regional conflagration. Etc.

The best the Dems could do was Levin's argument that the Iraqi government should be pressured to include the Sunnis and agree to a constitution by telling them that if they don't keep to their own timetable, the US will 'consider its options', including the possibility of setting a timetable for withdrawal. That's tellin' em, Carl.

But it was also clear that Rumsfeld has not changed his original tune. Whether Saddam had WMD in 2003 is irrelevant. The problem is that, post-9/11, the existence of any Muslim country whose rulers might allow terrorists onto his territory to cook up WMD bombs is intolerable. Ergo, Saddam had to be removed, whatever the cost. Syrians, Iranians, are you listening?

Moreover, Don and the generals all echoed several Republican senators' insistence that the only way we can 'lose' this war is if Americans stop supporting the war.

The writing is on the wall, clearly, and the Pentagon and the administration are preparing to blame the liberals, once again, for the inevitable dénouement.

The Democratic leadership supported this war from the start, and they continue to support it in true Tweedledee Tweedledum fashion. We are all Americans, after all, which is why Hilary Clinton devoted her entire time in the hearing to discuss, not Iraq, but Karl Rove's hatchet-job speech attacking liberals as unpatriotic. We're right back to 1968, except that this time there's no draft and therefore no widespread opposition to the war. In private, I'm sure that Dem pols are saying they have to move to the center and try to wrest control back from the Republicans, who have been taken over by a radical right-wing faction that will otherwise lead the country to disaster.

Alice in Wonderland, indeed. "Off with their heads!", I say.

Are there any Democratic politicians who will have the courage to tell the truth? Will anyone have the courage to say that we are doomed to 'lose' in Iraq because we are in the wrong? Because the war was a horrible mistake by George Bush? Because the entire enterprise was a boondoggle from the beginning? Probably not, is my guess.

Here's the short version, folks: we did not learn the lessons we should have in Vietnam, so now we are repeating the course. Let's try to pay more attention this time, eh?

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It is rather depressing to hear almost the same words/phrases and rhetoric that the repugs and war hawks use that are almost identical in some cases that were used during Vietnam.  The rhetoric for the war and to castigate and brand anyone not agreeing with them as unpatriotic, etc etc.

Dennis Kuchinish(to lazy to go look up name spelling) just stated on floor of House of Representatives again sometime in the last month that our troops should be brought home now,period.

But you're right about anyone being afraid to stand up and tell the truth presumably because they think they'll be crucified in print as unpatriotic, unamerican.  I'm hoping that is going to change in the coming year..well I can hope can't I?

"People never do evil so throughly and happily as when they do it from moral conviction."-Blaise Pascal

by chocolate ink on Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 05:04:03 PM EST
Fortunately, Pandora slammed the lid down just in time, so we still have hope.

I'm increasingly of the view that, as I said in my diary, we are re-taking the course because we didn't learn the first time. Just as Europe didn't learn the lesson of WWI and tried, with the Treaty of Versailles, to go back to business as usual. Only after 1945 did the establishment of the UN and the European Union show that the lesson had finally been learned.

The US, by comparison with Europe, is an immature country, relatively untouched by the tragedies of war, and still filled, like a young idealist, with an exaggerated sense of its own power. To such a mentality, the endless talking of the UN and the EU is insufferable, whereas a more mature mind knows that talking is good, no matter how tedious, compared to the bloody alternative.

Thanks for the comment, chocolate ink.

Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by d52boy on Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 06:21:51 PM EST
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That tedious talking you mention(which could be called diplomacy in other administrations) is always good because if all else fails at least you know much more of your 'enemy' than just imagining what they may or may not be up to.

As for being immature country-that's pretty much what got Johnny Depp in so much trouble for his remark about the US being a young puppy barring it's teeth when it didn't know what it was really doing...or something to that effect.

You're certainly right about people here who apparently have no real idea how the massive destruction/chaos and loss of huge amounts of the population can do to any country where the war is fought. There are far to many people here who honestly do seem to equate the whole Iraq war as some sort of war video game..only now that 60 minute video game is continuing to go on/on and it's not so much 'fun' anymore.

"People never do evil so throughly and happily as when they do it from moral conviction."-Blaise Pascal

by chocolate ink on Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 07:04:30 PM EST
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Lots of talk about positive polling in Iraq: the vast majority support US presence, and think that things are getting better.

In fact, as I noted here, the June 11th issue of the Arizona Republic, normally a Bush supporter, reported that only 15% of Iraqis support the American presence there, while 45% support the insurgency and 40% are on the sidelines.

Iraq War news and comment.

by Eternal Hope on Mon Jun 27th, 2005 at 04:18:49 AM EST
Yeah, no kidding.

Shocking, isn't it, that the Pentagon and the Defense Dept would mislead us and give inaccurate testimony to the Senate?

Thanks for this documentation, EH.

Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by d52boy on Mon Jun 27th, 2005 at 07:27:36 AM EST
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