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Blood on the Tracks - LONDON BOMBINGS

by GraceReid Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 01:33:35 PM EST

Today's UK Independent is full of it... speculation about who might be responsible for the London bombings on the 7th of July. Today they are exploring not one, but FIVE theories as to who might be responsible:

1.     HOME GROWN BOMBERS.   British Extremist Anti-War Muslims
2.     THE FOREIGN CELL;   French, Spanish
3.     THE MADRID TEAM;   Moroccan
5.     WHITE "CLEAN SKINS";   (no criminal records)

There are a few more groups they have left out, and quite a few nations... but tomorrow is another day to sell more newspapers.  Maybe they'll get around to the Evil One(s).  Given enough time B&B may yet swing it round to the "Axis of Evil" and bring it back to Afghanistan & Iraq.  Will Blair find his "ratification" for the war in Iraq in the aftermath of the bombing?

The only thing I found especially interesting in all the speculation that has been done in the news is that they have NOT YET entertained the idea that a woman might have been involved.  Listen to all the he's and not a she among them.  They have NOT YET suggested that it might be the IRA. They have NOT YET... (fill in your favorite theory).

Read it here if you must:
Was It White Extremists?
Investigators Have Four Theories

At the same time that the Independent is straining its brain to figure out who might have done it, Tony Blair has said he will not hold a government inquiry.... not yet, anyways.

Blair rejects calls for probe into bombings
By James Blitz, Political Editor, and Jimmy Burns
Published: July 10 005 0:55
Tony Blair will on Monday reject Conservative demands for a government inquiry into last week's London bomb attacks, insisting such a move would distract from the task of catching the perpetrators.
As police and security services continued searching for the bombers - thought to be Islamist terrorists - Downing Street said the prime minister believed an inquiry now into the outrage which killed at least 49 people would be a "ludicrous diversion."

Well, methinks Tony doth protest too much. Methinks a "massive intelligence failure" does not square with the information given to Netanyahu just minutes before the first? second? third? fourth? blast. There are now four conflicting reports about when he received the warning not to make his appointment. Definitely something the Blair government doesn't want to look into at this time.
Israel Says No Warning Was Given
Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning
Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
Netanyahu changed plans due to pre-attacks warning

Then there's this gem:

On Thursday, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom and Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu conveyed similar messages, but only to the Hebrew-language media.
In the international arena this time the message was the following: "It's not a story with anything to do with Israel. It's a story of international terrorism in Britain and therefore we should be quiet," according to a government source.

The rhetoric seems to be falling apart a bit here. Right after the bombings Blair said it was not an attack against Britain, but an attack on all nations. But Shalom (meaning peace in Hebrew) and Netanhayu are saying it has nothing to do with Israel. Well, how many Israelis have to be missing until it becomes Israel's concern, too?
Report: Israeli missing in London in aftermath of attacks

So until the Prime Minister no longer finds it ludicrous, I expect we will see another batch of creative theories tomorrow as to who planned, financed, and carried out the London bombings last Thursday.... it's anybody's guessing game.  Doesn't this strike anyone but me as the lowest form of entertainment?

The bodies are still not yet recovered and accounted for.  The forensics are not in, and speculation is thicker than are workable solutions to take care of people today.  Part of taking care of people is to show that government is taking responsiblity for an investigation.  Part of stopping panic and terror has to come up with a reasonable approach to accurately and responsibly report the news.

How is the UK Independent helping security?  How is the Blair government helping prevention?  How is this refusal to begin the process of a government inquiry serving justice?  What consolation is this to the families of the dead?  Small wonder that the people are saying the parallels to 911 are too close for comfort.

I should know better, but I'll ask: what should the government, as opposed to the police, be investigating now?

I'll agree that the speculation is a bit ghoulish, but it's a pretty natural reaction.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 01:39:45 PM EST
Blair is unwilling to look at:

  1.  WHAT happened
  2.  HOW it happened
  3.  WHY it happened.

so that leaves WHO did it... this he is willing to pursue.  and WHEN it will happen again, for that is, to him a certainty.

A corrupt house cannot examine itself.  Over and over again it was heard "we knew it was bound to happen, we just didn't know when."  Well, why didn't they?






Government owes the people some security and some semblance of a front that they are being protected, that their interests are being served.  

The fellow that was one of many who was rescued from the train by two unnamed police... he said there was no fire extinguisher on the train... nothing to break glass with... the people were dying in the car trying to beat their way out with their fists...

If you were a family member, would you not have some questions to be answered by a government inquiry into what happened on July 7?

by GraceReid on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 02:49:58 PM EST
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So the idea is that a pile of civil servants should investigate rather than the police? That'd be helpful.

Most of the other issues can't be investigated until after the cops do their job. The fire service and assorted regulatory agencies should look into the other issues. That's what they do.

If it turns out when those agencies report that there are major things that need to be looked into, then call for an inquiry.

I knew this was bound to happen. Why didn't you? London always  has terrorist attacks of one sort of another. Has done for a long, long time.

In what fantasy world can this sort of thing always be prevented?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 04:22:33 PM EST
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Absolutely let the police do their job.  I'm sure I did not suggest otherwise.  There has been a call for an inquiry by Conservatives in govt, and Blair said that it would be a "ludicrous diversion."  Maybe you agree with him.  

Those civil servants answer to the people they represent... the people who have suffered the loss, those are the people who are in the most danger... and the people who have a right to answers, wouldn't you think?


by GraceReid on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 07:25:08 PM EST
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I'll go out on a limb yet again and say my theory is that it was non-Muslim Britons of some sort or another.

This smells more like a Tim McVeigh type scenario than foreign Al-Qaeda to me.  Again, just a theory.  We'll wait for the pros to get to the bottom of this, which I have all confidence they will do.


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by soj on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 04:32:40 PM EST
Madrid bombing will be model for this attack on London IMHO. Home grown terror organization with International - European leadership. Link to AQ Ayman al-Zawahiri - see diary. Crucial to find out forensic evidence on explosives, detonators and timing device. This is what was uncovered very quickly in Spain, and is an indication whether investigation in London is open or another Blair white-wash.

Which foreign units are supporting Scotland Yard and who leads the investigation?

Of course, UK parliament should take initiative and start an inquiry asap. Needs to put pressure on the Blair failures.

My own thought, does not rule out a link-up in the UK between Islamists and the RIRA. The RIRA support in logistics, explosives and the Islamists for the execution in close cooperation of its planning. The Good Friday agreement lies in shatters and Sein Finn/IRA are once again isolated. I have a diary just about ready to look at this angle. Not opportune yet in timing with recent attack.


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  • by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 05:26:05 PM EST
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    I very much doubt any republicans are involved. Maybe a lone extra-kooky one, but nothing organised. What advantage is there to any flavour of the republican movement, especially if they can't claim responsibility.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 06:37:28 PM EST
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    Reciprocal favor, especially now the NI peace agreement is at a stalemate, with isolation for Sein Finn/IRA. See Bush cold shoulders on St. Patrick's day in US and position of Congress.

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  • by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 11:23:48 PM EST
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    The problem with IRA links to "Arab" terrorist groups is that they were based around national liberation/marxist ideology poles of affinity. The IRA are not exactly Catholic fundamentalists - and there is no evidence that these links are still intact considering that it's  getting on for 15+ years since these were a factor.

    Secondly, the problems with the "stalled" peace process are purely local to Northern Ireland - they're not primarily in the hands of Blair and Westminster to resolve. This will have to be accomplished via some kind of local political rapprochement between Paisley and Sinn Fein. If there was going to be a return to terrorist violence we'd see a gradated response on the ground in Northern Ireland long before anything on the mainland.

    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:48:04 AM EST
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    That'd be true if the mainstream IRA was returning to active "warfare". If a splinter group decided to stir things up, it wouldn't necessarily be the case. It might be easier for them to strike in London than in the North: they'd have to hide from the main IRA as well as the British in the North, in London they'd just have to hide from the British.

    The targets chosen don't make sense though, nor does the lack of a claim of responsibility. If the recent bombings were to be definitively blamed on republican elements there would be a pretty bad backlash in Ireland: people were very, very angry after Omagh, and this would probably be worse.

    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:59:01 AM EST
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    The only problem with the Tim McVeigh-type scenario is that there are no real UK equivalents. To Londoners this does not have the odour of right-wing malfeasance.

    The extreme right in the UK is simply too disorganised, too penetrated and too squeamish to do something like this. It would be a radical shift from their current activities. Likewise the IRA and other Irish Republicans have no conceivable motive for doing this - the nature of the targets is a radical departure from the kinds of UK mainland attack that they perpetrated in the past - which tended towards military or political "hard-targets" or economic-damage spectaculars ( with coded warnings on many occasions ).

    That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the terrorists in this instance haven't taken leaves out of the old IRA mainland active service unit playbook and adapted them to their purposes. It's not impossible that there are different hands in these attacks than the "usual suspects"; and I wouldn't be surprised if there were white/female participants - they could still be AQ type extremists though.

    The only right-wing attacks in recent UK history were the David Copeland Brick Lane, Brixton and Admiral Duncan bombings, which "specifically" targetted blacks, asians and gays. He was a loner, using home-made explosives, and incapable of doing something like this; there is also some evidence that he was outed by other extreme right-wingers as a potential suspect.

    The people who did the bombings on Thursday were extemely sophisticated and professional - they seem to have added some refinements to the Madrid attacks to ensure pre-operational invisibility and a far more complicated forensic investigation ( resource-stretching ). I'd also suggest that there were two cells involved in this - the bus attack was a compartmented "photo-opportunity" operation, and until solid evidence to the contrary appears, should be considered as a separate, follow-up attack.

    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:38:23 AM EST
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    I'd also suggest that there were two cells involved in this - the bus attack was a compartmented "photo-opportunity" operation, and until solid evidence to the contrary appears, should be considered as a separate, follow-up attack.

    That's not my feeling on it, but you're closer to events. Until some evidence - any evidence - appears, it's all speculation.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:44:15 AM EST
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    I agree it's speculation - but my starting point is that the terrorists set out to do exactly what they did. It's much easier to falsify things from that position as reliable and solid information filters out. If it transpires that the bus bomber was indeed on the bus - then it's probably indicative of an operational fuck-up; if it transpires that the bomber had got off the bus - then it was deliberate.
    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 09:57:28 AM EST
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    The placing of the bus bomb seems a bit off, but I guess we'll find out.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 10:01:40 AM EST
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    I think that the "off" aspect is the long-tail legacy of some of the initial, likely inaccurate, reportage; this assumed that only 2 fatalities had resulted from this attack. Well, it has subsequently transpired that the fatality count was greater than the Edgware Road and Aldgate bombs combined.

    My guess is that we'll be seeing images of the wrecked London bus in Jihadi propaganda in the future - the symbolic representation of the day they bombed London.

    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 10:19:21 AM EST
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    The initial reports said only two dead, but I was certainly waiting for the other shoe to drop on that attack. I'm sure we'll see that bus in their propaganda, together with reports of US airmen being ordered not to go into London in the aftermath of the attack.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 10:32:03 AM EST
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    All my reflections are now wrong as the BBC is reporting that the bus bomber was killed on the bus and that this is why they are raiding locations in Leeds.
    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 10:58:31 AM EST
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    BBC now reporting security sources as saying bomber died on the bus.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 10:56:37 AM EST
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    We seem to be on the same broadcast wavelength.
    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 10:59:39 AM EST
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    And if they're raiding locations in Leeds this is going to get messy really fast, isn't it? I can't imagine that that is going to do much for race  relations.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 11:03:04 AM EST
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    They're also cordoning off parts of Luton as well - which is had it's own share of tensions, partly due to the presence of Al Muhajiroun there.
    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 11:20:08 AM EST
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    And in some of the hottest weather we've seen in ages. Perfect riot weather.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 11:23:41 AM EST
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    Sky is reporting that there is a possibility that all 4 bombers were suicide bombers.

    Given the fact that it's summer - well, suicide rucksack bombers kind of makes sense in that context - I suspect that there will be some "incidents" over the next few days.

    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 11:37:41 AM EST
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    BBC is now quoting Frank Gardner that all 4 bombers were UK born and that they were probably suicide bombers. This will now definitely have unpleasant repercussions here.
    by londanium on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 11:43:01 AM EST
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    Investigation by Scotland Yard -SY- is gathering pace today - search focused on Leeds, West Yorkshire in North
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  • car found used by terrorists in London

    Police stand guard over a cordon in Beeston, near Leeds, England Tuesday July 12, 2005, after officers raided five residential premises in West Yorkshire in connection with last week's London bombings. Scotland Yard said the raids were part of an 'intelligence-led operation'. (AP Photo)

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    by Oui (Oui) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 11:29:19 AM EST
    All four bombers, born in Britain are dead. Came from West-Yorkshire area. On the trains, Scotland Yard now believes they were suicide bombers.

    All four men arrived by train at Kings Cross Station at 08:30am. Personal documents have been found of 3 of the 4 men close to scene of the explosion. One of the men was reported as missing by his family after 10am the morning of July 7th.

    A lot of CCTV footage has been very helpful.


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  • by Oui (Oui) on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 at 12:22:59 PM EST
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