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As USA Burns - Germany & Japan Arise Pew Research

by Oui Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 05:53:46 AM EST

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An excellent article written upon the release of new Pew Opinion Poll and US hatred in the world.

      Pictures and links added are mine - Ed

Ahead: Six Decades of Humiliation

NEW YORK June 29, 2005 -- The world hates us more than ever, according to a new Pew Research poll of 16,000 citizens in 15 countries. Most Canadians think Americans are exceptionally rude. The Chinese say we're violent and greedy. Nearly half of Turks--up from 32 percent a year ago--say they dislike Americans as individuals and America as a nation, according to the survey. Muslims have a "quite negative hostility toward America," says Pew president Andrew Kohut. Even among our traditional allies the United States "remains broadly disliked".

The reason for our declining popularity is no mystery: Bush's unjustified, illegal war against Iraq. But Iraq, Bush's doctrine of preemptive warfare and instances of prisoners being tortured and even murdered aren't completely unprecedented.


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... Theodore Roosevelt's brutal suppression of Filipino insurgents at the dawn of the 20th century, continuing with the holocaust of two million Vietnamese civilians under LBJ and Nixon's carpet bombing. Recently exemplified by a series of bullying adventures against such defenseless nations as Grenada, Panama and Afghanistan, the U.S. has become, perhaps to its surprise, the biggest danger to peace and stability on the planet.

Many Americans, still taking pride in the memorable image of "Gift of USA" flag logos on bags of grain being tossed to starving Africans, find it difficult to accept the role of international pariah. But the truth is that many people are as scared of us as they were of Germany and Japan in 1939.

Ah, irony. Our reputation has gone down the toilet with the Koran, but things are looking up for the Axis powers we defeated in World War II.

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Now the U.S. is the sole, charter member of its own Axis of Evil: invading and threatening invasions, breaking arms treaties willy-nilly, kidnapping and murdering foreign citizens without cause, refusing to abide by the Geneva conventions. But that will change someday--whether we're forced to change, as were Germany and Japan, or whether we choose a different path on our own. What's daunting is how much time - and humility - it will take for the rest of the world to trust us as much as they trust Germany and Italy.

[Pictures and links added are mine - Ed]


       
        "Greed, Militarism, War - this is fascism.
        Unite to destroy it."

Memorable image of "Gift of USA" flag logos on bags of grain, has been replaced by "USAID" and before that "USCARE". Apparently the latter was often read as U SCARE. USAID has been politicised and often combined with hostile acts in Afghanistan and now in Iraq.

In Afghanistan rural areas, the commitment of local leaders to cooperate with US forces has been set as a prerequisite before contact with NGOs and aid is made possible. This led to the conclusion by the Taliban supporters that these aid workers and organizations are legitimate targets to hit at the USA.

US Forces Have No Eyes and Ears
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It's been clear to me from the many casualties and the circumstances during the past year in Afghanistan, most military assets have been pulled out. Flying AWACs, A-10 Gunships, Apache helicopters, F-16 fighter support have been lacking or had taken too much time to be engaged in battle when the Special Forces had requested assistance. Result is unnecessary loss of valuable life of our men and women performing an impossible mission.

The region south of Khandahar to Pakistani border and north-east to Khost and Jalalabad have been cleared of Al Qaeda and Taliban troops. The even more rugged area beyond Jalalabad is where the US Special Forces went missing and the Chinook heli was shot down.

Contrary to the ArmyTimes.com report, I understood that in the rescue mission allied forces were involved, without further specifics given in the news item.

Asadabad is located in the northeastern province of Kunar. It is a mountainous region, and Asadabad is about five miles from the Pakistani border.

CIA Contractor Indicted for Abuse of Afghan Detainee
June 17, 2004 -- A 38-year-old North Carolina man has been indicted for assaulting an Afghan detainee while working as a contractor for the Central Intelligence Agency at a U.S. military base in Asadabad, Afghanistan.

CS Monitor - Background Info Kunar Province  

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 06:07:15 AM EST
Everybody hates Microsoft, too. Big = bad.

Germany and Japan are not going to arise. They had their chances and blew them. With tiny little 80M and 150M populations, they're both has-beens.

China and India are the future, mostly China.

by asdf on Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 10:06:50 AM EST
China and India are the future, mostly China with what oil and what population? Everybody forgets that China is the only case of a pension bomb waiting to blow off - in a poor country. Their situation is even more unprecedented than our, demography wise.

Well, the coming years are going to be interesting, to say the least...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 11:08:36 AM EST
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is more on the political importance of a nation as expressed in world opinion - 16 countries -  than on economic strength. On economic power I agree with your view, India will also emerge in coming decades as a strong nation. The investment by the West for Research & Development in Indian corporations, Microsoft taking the lead, is a great asset. Outsourcing does create opportunities and jobs ... in India, not for the home front.

I feel the article on the Pew poll is written with present issues in mind, e.g. the UN Security Council expansion with new members. Germany will have a chance, Japan probably not due to veto power of China.

Germany is not a stand-alone nation, but part of the EU as an economic entity. The integral economic power of the EU should be considered, unless the present crisis within the EU becomes permanent, which I sincerely doubt.

PS Hatred for Microsoft is IMO a domestic issue within the US, rather than foreign. In China, Asia and many development countries it's more a financial issue. The German government did choose for Linux software for most automation within the public sector, as far as I'm aware.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 11:14:33 AM EST
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I hope you used Micro$oft to make that equationa sacrastic remark...

Anyway. I wonder what you make of the result of the "greedy" question in the Pew poll.

Guess which country was the only one where only a minority assotiated "greedy" with Americans, and which was the country where most did.
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The only country where only a minority thinks Americans are greedy: France, where only 31% think so, and 67% don't. (Next is India, an even 43%-43%, but there the poll was not representative - only urban populations were asked.)

The country where most people think Americans are greedy: the USA itself, with 70% against 28%.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 04:19:07 AM EST
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INDEED - some combinations are very interesting. You picked out the right data.

How does one judge thy neighbor? Thepoll is more revealing of the culture and nature of society than a political awareness. Fox, Rummy and George have been so obsessed with France and Chirac, whereas the French shrugged their shoulders and went about their own business and private life.

The French have more difficulty with the Brits than to worry about the ugly American. French chauvinism will focus their interest on personal issues, making love and considering the next lunch or dinner date. Perhaps an indication where true friendship lies after all.


        2003  2004  2005
UK       70    58    55
Russia   36    47    52

High marks from India are remarkable, and across the board a recovery in Muslim nations from the extreme lows of 2003; except in UK and Poland where the numbers are lower and the rest of Europe marginally the same.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 04:59:01 AM EST
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I waded through the pdf version of Pew's original poll data, rather than relying on their analysis and highlights.

Right on the first page, you'll find this:

NOTE: Data based on national samples except in China, India and Pakistan where the sample was
disproportionately or exclusively urban
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You should bear the above in mind when considering India's numbers.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:04:49 AM EST
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Also - sorry for the repost from an older thread to those who saw it, but there have been interpretations of some questions in this poll that people in Muslim-majority countries attribute democracy and hope for democracy to US efforts in the region.

Check answers to MQ.37 and MQ.38. The relative majorities of those who think US policies are "at least partly" responsible for positive developments on the democracy front are only of those who are optimistic about a move towards democracy, not all polled. At the same time, wide majorities of the pessimists fault the USA - the end result is USA-blamers for de-democratisation outweighting USA-thankers for democratisation in each case. In particular:

In Turkey, of the 33% optimists, only 34% (vs. 51%) credit the USA, that's 11.22% of all - while of the 41% pessimists, a full 83% blame the USA, or 34,03% of all.

In Pakistan, of the 23% optimists, 55% (vs. 28%) credit the USA, that's 12.65% of all - while of the 31% pessimists, 67% blame the USA, or 20,77% of all.

In 'Cedar Revolution' Lebanon, of the 46% optimists, 49% (vs. 44%) credit the USA, that's 22.54% of all - while of the 34% pessimists, 75% blame the USA, or 25,5% of all.

In Jordan, of the 37% optimists, 49% (vs. 44%) credit the USA, that's 18.13% of all - while of the 40% pessimists, 98%(!) blame the USA, or 39,2% of all.

In Indonesia, of the 40% optimists, just 28% (vs. 63%) credit the USA, that's 11.2% of all - while of the 33% pessimists, 62% blame the USA, or 20,46% of all.

Note tough, that the largest group in each country sees no US effect at all.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:12:40 AM EST
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Oh, sorry for those decimal commas. After all this years, I still mix up the Anglo-Saxon numerical demarcations.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:14:07 AM EST
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Same difficulty using Excel spreadsheet and the conversion. Is always a painful mission.

Appreciate your summary and analysis of the numbers, the shocking difference with the Clinton years continues. A lost decade for American diplomacy in the world in a new 21st century!

Most likely only chance for a quick recovery would be ... impeachment.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:22:34 AM EST
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