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Monday morning open thread

by Jerome a Paris Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:37:49 AM EST

So what's on your mind this morning?
What are the big news in your country?
Are you already on holiday?


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Where are the links of actual photos? JPL - ESA - or NASA?


NASA


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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:51:55 AM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:57:27 AM EST
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I think there's a diary up at dKos... yup, here it is.

Lots of links there.  Damn, wish I'd seen that earlier!

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:57:52 AM EST
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Mission Accomplished: Probe Hits Comet

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    First European images of impact on Comet 9P/Tempel 1

    4 July 2005
    These are the first pictures of the impact received by European observers of the Deep Impact encounter.

    They were taken by the Faulkes Telescope in Maui, Hawaii (Faulkes Telescope North), which was ideally placed to observe the impact which took place around 07:52 CEST on 4 July. These images show impact and the flare growing as material is thrown out from the comet. The plume appears to be brightening the nucleus by a factor of approximately ten.

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  • by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:58:41 AM EST
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    Congrats, NASA!

    *Lunatic*, n.
    One whose delusions are out of fashion.
    by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:25:20 AM EST
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    From BBC: Astrologer sues Nasa over probe

    A Russian astrologer is suing Nasa for crashing a probe into a comet, claiming it has distorted her horoscope.
    Marina Bai is seeking $300m (£170m) in damages, saying the probe's impact on Comet Tempel 1 violated her "life and spiritual values".

    She had tried to have a Moscow court prevent the experiment from taking place but her action was rejected.

    ...
    Ms Bai, from Moscow, said the Tempel 1 comet held an important place in her family history, as her grandfather wooed her grandmother by showing her the comet.

    Her lawyer, Alexander Molokhov, said the case was based on solid legal ground, since Nasa has an office in Russia, located in the premises of the US embassy in Moscow.

    by Fran on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 01:32:04 PM EST
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    Toyota to build 100,000 vehicles per year in Woodstock, Ont., starting 2008

    WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) - Ontario workers are well-trained.

    That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant.

    Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train - helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled workforce in Cambridge.

    ...
    Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

    He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

    "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

    How can the US economy survive. I mean if this is true, this might explain at least an aspect why many American companies are outsourcing. I was not aware that illiteracy has become such a problem in the US.

    by Fran on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:55:48 AM EST
    When I went to high school (ahem)...awhile back...the schools in California were excellent. And my undergrad college fees were covered by Federal grants...which doesn't happen now (and really makes me mad). But what this shows is the results of now many years of tax cuts for the rich, of "getting government out our lives", of "trickle down" economics (etc., etc.)...except...it ain't trickling down, and hasn't been for quite awhile. This is REAL sad to read...and I think we are seeing the beginnings of the decay of an empire, if this is any indication. (What about investing in the future?)

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:03:42 AM EST
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    This is absolutely "true." And it's only really half the story. Besides the increase in people who are for all practical purposes "illiterate," there's also been a huge decline in the number of people, especially young people, who could be called "fluent" in reading and writing.
    by Matt in NYC on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:15:36 AM EST
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    This is a sad old song, often sung these days;  but I'll contribute another chorus.  I work on the campus of a major State University (U of Calif).  I live w/o a car and use bike and city bus to get to work each day, for the last 25 years.  So I ride the University route with the undergrads and the tiny handful of other staff who take the bus (a lousy 6 percent of the total staff, despite the U's provision of free city bus passes to full time staff).

    Anyway, while on the bus I often overhear conversations between the students -- since they tend to be rather loud :-)  and consistently over the last 20 years I believe I hear a decline in the working vocabulary and an increase in the number of dispiriting comments I hear.  I hear university students complaining because they are required to write 3 12-page papers in a quarter (we're on the quarterly academic calendar).  I hear them complain because they are assigned a 150-page book to read.  I hear them complaining because a film they had to watch for a class in theatre arts was "over 2 hours long and really slow, and it was black and white."  There are exceptions -- I was once privy to a sparkling discussion among some math/physics kids who had fallen in love with eigenvectors.  But on the whole the language skills of the present generation of university students -- spoken and written -- are below what would have been considered a decent high school level when I was in high school.

    I am not alone in this perception.  Several professors I have spoken to are in near-despair because their lower-division classes need (in the words of one angry, aging biologist) "remedial reading".  "They seem to think it's unfair if they have to put any effort in," complained another.  "Their essays are barely coherent," a sociology prof confided in me once;  "it's hard even to know how to grade them."

    It's hard to avoid the perception that "something has happened" to either the quality of education or the quality of the brains we're trying to educate.  Again I say that there are magnificent exceptions;  I've seen some very bright, very motivated students.  But the majority seem to be more apathetic, lazy, stupid and lacking in basic literacy than the same mediocre majority was 20 years ago.  And these are the children of the upper-middle class whose parents can afford the U's not-insignificant tuition!  They come by and large from "good" high schools.  Heaven knows what the bankrupt, overcrowded schools of the urban underclass are producing as "high school graduates" these days.

    The reason for the decline is unclear to me.  It is easy to blame television, particularly the frenetic, dumbed-down carny sideshow that tv has become;  we might fault video games.  I once heard a 20-something year old girl explaining to her friends how "video games make you smarter," but she had difficulty expressing this point of view with a vocabulary of about 500 words, every other one of which was "like" or "f-ck" :-)  Perhaps intensive involvement with primitive, reaction-based video games from early childhood plays a part.  I remember a finding from the UK that a startling number of infants in pre-school creches were completely lacking in basic speaking skills;  they could comprehend what was said to them but could barely utter.  The conclusion was that these children had been "minded" by a TV instead of an interactive adult, and had never learned to speak.  They knew not one nursery rhyme or children's song.  No one had ever held these children on a lap and played traditional word/learning games with them.  And here we could blame "the working Mum" if we wanted to be simplistic, but I'd take a larger view.  Children have been raised by "working Mums" for many generations, but the decline in literacy is recent.

    It's possible, though some will accuse me of wearing the latest fashion in tinfoil, that the chemical stew we have released into our food and water and air is having some kind of neurotoxic effect on a whole generation;  plenty of studies show neurotoxic effects from the panoply of pesticides used in corporate ag, affecting farmers and farmworkers' children and pets most severely.  We don't know what effect lifetime exposure to low-dosage might have.  We don't have a clue about the effects of chronic low-dosage exposure to all the additives, preservatives, colourings, hormones, antibiotics, artificial flavourings etc. in the corporate food diet, or of the astonishingly high sugar consumption of most Americans.  I believe the old story about the Roman upperclass destroying its own intellectual capacity with lead poisoning (from indoor plumbing) is now considered apocryphal, but it's suggestive.  Could we simply be producing a higher and higher proportion of slightly impaired people?

    Also we have to factor in the ever-increasing number of children who are kept on psychoactive drugs from childhood through adolescence to "manage behavioural problems."  The long-term effects of these medications are, I think, not well understood.  Alcohol abuse among the undergraduates is also pretty widespread and probably doesn't help their academic performance, though of course drunken student binges are a recurring theme in Western Civ and didn't seem to prevent higher academic performance in prior decades.  Is a puzzlement.  Some people blame a media culture that valorises stupidity and ignorance (with "heroes" like Bill and Ted) and mocks scholarship or intellect;  but the anti-intellectual theme in US film and pop lit, for example, has been with us for decades.

    At any rate, academia (or my little part of it) does seem to sense a decline in the quality of our undergraduates, a lack of the most basic skills of reading, writing, comprehension and argument.  The "dumbing down" of America is not, I fear, just some elitist paranoia;  and this story about Toyota seeking a competent workforce is a good illustration of the end-state of the process... a workforce incapable of modern industrial labour.

    The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

    by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 11:21:58 AM EST
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    to lighten the mood a little, I would like to share the following story:

    Physic

    The following is an actual question given on University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it.

    Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

    Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant.

    One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave.
    Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

    1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

    2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you." And take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her,then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.

    The student received the only "A"
    by Fran on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 11:42:49 AM EST
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    Real...funny... to be in Europe for my first July 4th. Not a peep about that day here in Switzerland...when in the US its 'all America's Birthday, all the time'. Just another day here...

    As someone requested last Friday, I am reporting back about my first Montreux Jazz Festival: Of the 3 groups (Isaac Hayes, Billy Preston and Booker T and the MGs), Billy Preston stole the show! He really makes an effort to connect with the crowd and get them involved...real positive and fun. Impressive. Isaac Hayes opened with a fantastic version of the old (1954, I believe) rock n roll song, Don't Let GO, that was soul-ized...but the rest of the show was fairly low-key (which was disappointing to us). The MGs are fun, and until you here them, you don't realize how many famous songs they have written. Overall, the Montruex experience is well worth a visit, with lots of free bands playing, a good variety of cultural foods, and being located across Lake Geneva from the French Apls, it's pretty spectacular. Joe Bob says check it out!

    I'll go see what's up in the Swiss news, and will report back, if find anything of interest...

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 05:56:53 AM EST
    I was just looking at iTunes, and one of their new "iTunes essentials" is this barf-inducing thing called "America: Pride" (and "pride" doesn't mean gay pride).

    The songs include stuff by Toby Keith (HURL) and Whitney Houston singing the national anthem.

    by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:06:02 AM EST
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    World's longest tunnel to provide fillip for Switzerland's skiers

    A skiers' paradise could become a rail travellers' headache after the Swiss government last week offered its support for a huge new railway station deep below the Alps.

    The proposed Porta Alpina beneath the Gotthard massif would allow travellers from Zurich or Milan to reach the heart of the mountains in just 50 minutes.

    That is less than half current journey times and infinitely more convenient, as the station would be within skiing distance of resorts such as Andermatt in central Switzerland.

    "It would be fantastic for us and neighbouring resorts", said Urs Elmiger, head of administration at Andermatt's cable car company. "People could get out of the train, snap on their skis and be here in minutes."

    But the project has aroused mixed feelings among backers of Switzerland's SFr16bn (€10.3bn, $12.3bn, £7bn) trans-alpine rail projects. Railway officials decline to express themselves publicly. But most believe that stopping trains to serve a small interest group is hard to justify when spending billions to slash intercity journey times.

    Switzerland is building two new tunnels under the Alps to accelerate travel between northern and southern Europe and, it is hoped, take trucks off the roads.

    The first link, the 35km Lötschberg tunnel, should be opened by December 2007, easing congestion in the western Alps by reducing pressure on the current, much shorter tunnel.

    Eight years later, the Lötschberg will be overshadowed by the new Gotthard link. The 57km tunnel, 3km longer that Japan's Sei-kan tunnel, currently the world's longest, is being dug from four different points to speed construction times.

    The project is overwhelming from every angle. At Bodio, in Italian-speaking Switzerland, one of the world's biggest boring machines is inching its way forward in sweltering temperatures close to the mountain's core. "This is one of the world's most exciting projects", said Albert Schmid, German site manager. For safety, the tunnel will have two emergency stations deep inside the Alps.

    The cavernous stops, cathedrals inside the mountain, will have full length platforms and even allow trains to change tracks between the single bore tunnels.

    Since its inception, regional politicians have pressed for one of the emergency stations to be transformed into a commercial stop - called the Porta Alpina.

    Doing so will involve only an additional SFr50m in spending, to convert to passenger use the 800m deep lift shaft that has been excavated to provide access for construction workers.

    After a two-minute journey, the 80 travellers in each lift car will be able to alight at the mountain top near the ski resort of Sedrun, snap on their skis, and be off.

    Moritz Leuenberger, Switzerland's transport minister, said the scheme would be a huge boost to regional development.

    "But it's not meant to be a way of encouraging day trippers from Milan to pick loads of mushrooms in our valleys", he said.

    The Swiss policy of forcing trucks to cross their country on trains only (and backing it up by building the requisite infrastructure) is a great example of forward thinking and responsible policies. Maybe our Swiss residents can comment on this...


    In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

    by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:13:25 AM EST
    Hmm...will it create jobs? The youth of Switzerland desperately need the government to invest in job creation...

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:19:04 AM EST
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    Yep, Swiss voters reinforced this policy (even against the government) on several referendums. The greatest victory was the Avanti proposal - when the road-building lobby prepared a proposal to kick-start highway construction through the Alps again, and the government's counter-proposal was actually more of the same, but Swiss voters rejected both.

    *Lunatic*, n.
    One whose delusions are out of fashion.
    by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 07:50:15 AM EST
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    Light at end of tunnel for subterranean station

    I haven't heard to much about it up to now. My guess even if the Bundesrat gives it's okay there will be referendums from environmentalist. It sounds like a fantastic idea. However some mountains are already suffering because of tourism and skiing, so maybe we have to see the feasability study first.

    by Fran on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 07:56:16 AM EST
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    Since knowing the details of this has to do with my job, let me vent professional anger at some rather minor erroneous details.

    the Swiss government last week offered its support for a huge new railway station deep below the Alps.

    It's not huge at all, it is just a stopping place, like a metro station but longer. It is not its size that makes it expensive - but, as can be gleaned from later parts of the article, the 800m lift and other stuff needed for regular rather than emergency operation (such as: strong air conditioning [it's hot down there], a small railway to take passengers from the lift's upper station 1.5km inside the mountain to the open, extra safety measures).

    But most believe that stopping trains to serve a small interest group is hard to justify when spending billions to slash intercity journey times.

    The reason railroaders aren't keen of the project, beyond the lack of profitability, is that a train stopping in the middle of a tunnel means less capacity (the next train must start later) and increased danger of collisions. (Due to the already given geometry of the emergency station - its tunnels have already been bored -, the stopping train would also block the track-changing part.)

    At Bodio, in Italian-speaking Switzerland, one of the world's biggest boring machines

    First, it is two TBMs, not one. As for one of the biggest, may be right if they mean the total length of the tunnel-boring and concrete-pouring and tunnel-fitting parts. But, second, the boring machine itself is comparatively small: the shield is just 8.83m in diameter. Compare it to the 12.33m TBM of a smaller, 10km tunnel on the northern end of the new Gotthard line that was recently put into service, or the 14.87m of the TBM that bored a Groene Hart tunnel on the Amsterdam to Antwerp high-speed railway. Third, the two other TBMs boring the second-from-North section are bigger than those at Bodio in all dimensions (443m long with trailers, 9.58m shild diameter).

    *Lunatic*, n.
    One whose delusions are out of fashion.

    by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:22:17 AM EST
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    Thanks for the clarification. That machine sounds a little those fishing stories. With every re-telling the fish gets a few inches bigger.

    Even though the Bundesrat sounds to be open to this project, I am not yet convinced that it actually will happen.

    by Fran on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:37:07 AM EST
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    To counterbalance the railroaders' counter-arguments, I sublit that the project could be a net benefit, if not for SBB then for Switzerland, through the "whoa!" factor.

    *Lunatic*, n.
    One whose delusions are out of fashion.
    by DoDo on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 03:50:26 PM EST
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    3 lead issues in Swiss news:

    1. Roger Federer ins Wimbledon for the 3rd straight time (!!!)
    2. The Swiss govt. is demanding an answer from the US govt., regarding the killing of a Swiss-Iraqi citizen in Iraq (from Swissinfo)

    http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=106&sid=5917128&cKey=1120382370000

    and 3. an article about the meeting of Schröder, Chirac and Putin in Russia yesterday, (from Reuters):

    http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5918244&cKey=1120431910000

    "Moscow is worried that if the EU continues its eastward expansion, countries like Ukraine and Georgia -- which are pulling out of Moscow's orbit after uprisings installed Western-looking leaders -- could join the bloc next. The Kremlin is also unhappy at what it sees as anti-Russian sentiment in some former Communist-bloc states now in the EU: Kaliningrad's neighbors Poland and Lithuania were pointedly not invited to Sunday's get-together.
    A senior Kremlin source said on the eve of the talks the votes in the Netherlands and France rejecting the European constitution -- a charter designed to help the bloc's expansion -- called for a new look at EU-Russian relations. But Chirac joined Schroeder in gently rebuffing the idea.

    "Europe is again undergoing a difficult period, you may call it a crisis," the French president said.
    "This crisis will be overcome. In any case, it will not have any consequences for EU-Russian relations."

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:14:51 AM EST
    From the BBC: Luxembourg 'may revive EU treaty'

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4646505.stm

    The thinking here is that if little Luxembourg votes "yes", the Constitution still has hope...if a "no" vote, then its really dead. What do you think, does the Luxembourg vote have this weight?

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 06:37:23 AM EST
    ... but what an asshole:

    George Bush sounds a warning today to those hoping for a significant deal on Africa and climate change at Wednesday's G8 summit, making clear that when he arrives at Gleneagles he will dedicate his efforts to putting America's interests first.

    The president will adopt a stance starkly at odds with the idealism professed by the performers at Saturday's Live 8 concerts around the world and their television audience of 2 billion.

    "I go to the G8 not really trying to make [Tony Blair] look bad or good; but I go to the G8 with an agenda that I think is best for our country."

    What an arrogant prick.

    by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 07:43:46 AM EST
    PP, you comment is totally accurate, nothing I can add to it.
    by Fran on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 07:57:51 AM EST
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    Same goes for Tony - more eloquent in speaking - IMHO two persons with single mind on major issues.

    Almost the good cop - bad cop plot. Lies & Deceit, failed leadership and keeps the course despite all broken promises. United in irresponsibility to the EU, UN and World community. Disgust for Tony is growing, George has been at a low for some time now.

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    by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:11:14 AM EST
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    I hadn't thought of the "good cop, bad cop" angle.

    That's hilarious, and also a very apt analogy.

    by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:58:06 AM EST
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    well said...

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:17:51 AM EST
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    but why is that wrong. Isn't it totally appropriate to go to these things to defend your country's interests first and foremost?

    Now, it could be that your country's interests are best defended by building cooperation and trust with other countries, and treating their leaders casually is not the best way to reach that goal, but is this really the case here?

    In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

    by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:39:35 AM EST
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    Taken in isolation, that's a reasonable view to take. Taken in context, PP is about right, if maybe a bit too polite. As you know well, he isn't defending his country's interests.
    by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 09:03:54 AM EST
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    I hope he gets a sunburn.  

    I'd rather own books that I don't read than clothes I don't wear." -- Jonathan Safran Foer
    by mlr701 (mlr701atgmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 08:53:30 AM EST
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    Yes, Plutonium Page, like Oui, I was wondering to which arrogant prick you were referring ;-)
    by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 04:50:13 PM EST
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    He's just reflecting the opinion of the majority of Americans...
    by asdf on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 07:46:36 PM EST
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    Or it is the voice of Corporate America?

    There are lots of projects initiated to reduce greenhouse emissions at regional/county scale in the States after the White House didn't ratify Kyoto. Look at California, and I thought even Georgia was undertaking a few plans. Whether they are a success remains to be seen, but it is a signal that George Bush isn't speaking for an overwhelming majority.

    by Nomad (Bjinse) on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 04:27:17 AM EST
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    The Kyoto treaty was rejected by the Senate on a 93:0 vote.
    by asdf on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 09:03:30 AM EST
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    Yep, the US Democratic elite at federal level is just as corrupt on this issue as the Republican one - but they prefer to suger-coat their irresponsible cowardice/ fealthy to business interests.

    *Lunatic*, n.
    One whose delusions are out of fashion.
    by DoDo on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 09:43:12 AM EST
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    I'm happy to report that there is not much to report. News of the morning seems to be weather, local crimes and other places in the world.
    by zander on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 09:17:18 AM EST
    Since you mentioned it, I do have a question regarding holidays: my wife and  have about 10 days off in early August, and in discussing the idea of where to go, France came up as a place to visit. Trouble is...it's huge, and its when everyone else goes on vacation, and in the south, its HOT. So...if we were to go on vacation in France in early August, should we? (or should go another time?), and if yes, then where do you suggest we go visit?

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 09:32:48 AM EST
    If you can try another date, you probabyl should. August in Southern France is hot, crowded and expensive...

    In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
    by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 10:04:50 AM EST
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    From what I have gathered :-

    When I left for work this morning most of the news was centred round the Olympic bid and Live8. However, since then I would guess that Bush's dis of Tony Blair and Prince Harry's fromer art teacher being found to have been unfairly dismissed by Eton will be lead news items this evening.

    On football news it looks like contract talks between Steven Gerrard and Liverpool have broken down. Chelsea or Real Madrid now look to be the likely destinations.

    In Ireland - The lead news will be Bertie Ahern meeting with the new Pope ( Germany's own Papa Ratzi ). The rumour is that the new Pope is to visit Ireland some time soon. The Shell protests are gathering a head of steam thanks to Shell's recent heavy handed tactics.

    Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying

    by RogueTrooper on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 09:40:00 AM EST
    Tour update: a Swiss, Dutch and French trio lead

    Current Situation on the Road:
    Rubens Bertogliati (Swi) Saunier Duval, 69th, at 2:13
    Erik Dekker (Nl), Rabobank, 78th at 2:19
    Nicolas Portal (F), Ag2R, 139th at 2:53
    The break began at km 27.
    Latest time check - 2:55

    http://www.velonews.com/live/text/230.html

    updates every few minutes

    "Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

    by whataboutbob on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 09:53:52 AM EST
    Can you start a tour diary, I'll front page it? Thanks!

    In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
    by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 4th, 2005 at 10:05:34 AM EST
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