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Thursday Bridge Blogging

by PeWi Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 08:09:45 AM EST

I know, Friday is animal day, but I wanted to get in first...

So, here is a pic of one of my favourite bridges.

thankfully almost in its old nick and shape.
This might become a series, if there is interest. I know it will not be as close to home as Cat blogging or, Garden Gate blogging, or Ferret blogging, or Baby blogging. But what the heck.

Bridge blogging...damn, that's unique!! We are going to start pulling in all the progressive European architects and engineers!! ;))  Go for it, it's your baby!!

Where is this bridge, by the way? It looks way cool!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 08:57:11 AM EST
The Mostar Bridge was a very famous and historical bridge before its destruction in 1993 during the war in Bosnia and Hercegovina. The bridge spanned the River Neretva and was designed by the Ottoman (Turkish) architect Mimar Hayruddin. It was completed in 1566 after nines years of building and the surrounding town became a thriving trading centre. The bridge was 29 metres in length and stood at a height of 20 metres, a classic example of a single span, stone arch bridge and was an example of advanced technology in its time. It became a World Heritage site during the twentieth century..
BBC report of its reopening.

The bridge is between the Muslim and the Greek-Orthodox part of Mostar (sort of) and was the frontier line in the war in Bosnia.
It was destroyed by "accidental" shelling and rumour has it that it was a true cock-up. I am not quite sure the exact details of this rumour, but the party in control of the bridge(I think the Muslim side) had run out of shells and asked another party in the war (it would not make sense for it to be the Greek-Orthodox, but that is what my memory tells me) to fire at a certain position, they deliberately shot to short and hit the bridge.

Well, this is just a rumour and I heard it 10 years ago, but I do know that this bridge was and a symbol of peaceful co-existance between Christians of all denominations and Muslim.
It's destruction meant that the war in Bosnia had a unique symbol for its destructiveness, not just in the physical, but in a emotional, and psycholigical sense as well.
by PeWi on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 09:15:38 AM EST
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I think the other side was Catholic (i.e., Croatians) - either that, or by the time of the bridge's destruction the Serbs were ethnic cleansed away.

I was in Mostar in 1985, and walked across this bridge. It was chock-full of tourists, and for athletic local boys, a great source of income was Western tourists paying for them to jump from the bridge into the river. When they did it, three-four at a time. It was done  like, every half an hour.

BTW, the valley of the Neretva upriver from Mostar was an extremely beautiful canyon, with mountains rising above 2000 m on its sides. Both the railroad and the road to Sarajevo went through it. Both were destroyed at several places by the ethnic fronts, today rebuilt in much worse hape, and a lot of rubbish and litter was dumped along the river...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 04:34:14 PM EST
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I love that part of the world - was there in 1993- 94 and 97
by PeWi on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 06:30:17 PM EST
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The terrible destruction of the bridge at Mostar reminds me of another favourite bridge, Ponte Vecchio, over the River Arno in Firenze (Florence)...

The bridge has been there for almost 500 years, I think, with goldsmiths/jewellers occupying the shops on the bridge for much of that time.  I think the corridor on the top was added to connect the Uffizi on one side with a palace on the other: it is now a gallery.

The story goes that late in WWII, the retreating German commander was ordered to blow up all five Arno bridges, but decided that he could not destroy Ponte Vecchio.  A victory for civilisation?

by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 04:49:33 PM EST
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Your bridge reminds me of a bridge in my home town, Bad Kreuznach in south-west Germany:

The bridge was most likely built in 1311. I do not know exactly when the bridge houses were built, but they were first mentioned in a document from 1495. I'm not into the history of architecture, but I guess for the 15th century, this was impressive engineering. In the 30 years war, one of the houses was hit by a Swedish cannonball. But back then, weapon technology was not that destructive: today the cannonball can still be seen in one of the walls.

Here you can see it via webcam.

by Saturday (geckes(at)gmx.net) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 05:07:05 PM EST
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BTW, about 20 meters left of the bridge, there is the Paulskirche where Karl Marx and Jenny von Westphal married in 1843.
by Saturday (geckes(at)gmx.net) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 05:14:29 PM EST
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Thanks PeWi for reminding us of the Mostar bridge and what it symbolizes.  I recall vividly hearing the depressing news of its destruction back then.  Had a similar reaction when the Taliban shelled the Bhuddas in Bamiyan back in 2001.

However, as this is about bridges let me add this photo of Øresundsbroen (between Denmark and Sweden) which opened in 2000 - making a ferry-free connection between the Scandinavian peninsula and mainland Europe possible (save the big detour through Finland and Russia).

by ask on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 10:12:39 AM EST
The Bankovsky Bridge in Saint Petersburg.

If someone knows how to post the picture of this, I would be really grateful!

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 10:56:18 AM EST
There are actually 4 photos in your link.  Great looking bridge - here is image 3:

[To post an image, say in an article as where yours were from: i) Right click on the image - select "View Image", this will give you the image url on top in your browser; ii) Write this code: < img src="" > except no space after '<' and before '>'; iii) Paste the url of the image between the quotation marks of the code. Voila!]

by ask on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 11:10:20 AM EST
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I actually know how to post it that way, but I am always hearing about how you are not supposed to link directly to photos on other websites because of bandwidth or something.

I went to the EuroTrib user's guide and it said to save the pic as a file, then upload it to "Your files" at EuroTrib.  But I couldn't find a "Your files" link...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 11:30:28 AM EST
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I "hotlinked" as well, I figured however that it was a edu server with no restrictions (ehem) and haven't read the the faq's...
Coleman help!
by PeWi on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 12:31:29 PM EST
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The files button is available to ordinary users on this site, only to frontpagers, due to concerns about bandwidth use.

I wouldn't worry too much in a diary on EuroTrib at this stage, but in principle you should upload the image to one of the free image hosts that are available around the place.

I'm not able to recommend any as I can either upload to Eurotrib or host the image on a site I'm paying for. Soj had some recommendations in one of the other threads though, but I can't find it. This may help you find somewhere relevant.

In theory it's copyright infringement to upload copyright images to these sites, so you probably shouldn't do that with people who might get stroppy.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:03:14 PM EST
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file button isn't available, I mean.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:03:43 PM EST
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I've used photobucket.com (free) with pretty good success...you upload there, then use that to download here...but be aware, if you delete a photo/link from the photobucket site, any photo posted here (or elsewhere) disappears.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:41:34 PM EST
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oh, and use this formula:
(img src="put your url here" width=400")

(except where the () are, put <>  )

and this will keep bandwidth low

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:50:37 PM EST
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is a wonderful idea and I certainly hope it becomes a regular feature. I will contribute with pleasure...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:32:11 PM EST
Could you find a good image of the Millau bridge? I seem to remember seeing a wonderful picture of the bridge 'floating' above clouds in the valley, but when the Tour de France passed under it and I wanted to link it, didn't found it or a similar one in good quality.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 05:01:26 PM EST
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See this MoA post, which has pictures and includes links to various sites with more pictures

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 05:57:53 PM EST
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I lived in and around San Francisco for 25 years, and a most familiar and spectacular bridge is this (I know it isn't Europe, but SF is really almost a European city, in its own way):

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:56:29 PM EST
Great pics.

When I saw the diary title though I immediately thought of Acol, Blue Club, Inverted Blackwood, Stayman and contracts in 3 No Trumps.

As my old friend Geoff would have said "3 No Trumps? Boring!"

Eats cheroots and leaves.

by NeutralObserver on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 02:39:36 PM EST
Sorry I only play Skat.
by PeWi on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 03:33:04 PM EST
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Good topic! I love bridges!

Here is my favourite bridge:

This incredible monster, or three monsters (it looks like three dinosaurs in a row to me) stands near Edinburgh in Scotland, it is the famous Forth (Rail) Bridge. It was built this massive to reassure passangers, after another long bridge nearby over the Firth of Tay collapsed under a train in severe weather - then thought to have been due to wind pressure*.

I visited this bridge (near the same vantage point as this photo had) late during a long summer sunset, and in the setting Sun's light the view was dramatic. (If I ever get near a good scanner, I might re-start this thread and post some of my own photos.)

* It took decades until engineering science discovered the phenomenon that was also identified as the real culprit of this disaster: the successive wind gusts caused oscillations along the narrow but high multi-pillar bridge, sort of like a curtain in a breeze but upside down, and the train with its weight and momentum pushed the oscillation beyond the limit. (I got this from a relative who studied engineering.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 04:56:47 PM EST

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 05:47:40 PM EST
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Die Bruecke am Tai
"Wann  treffen wir drei wieder zusamm?"
   "Um die siebente Stund', am Brückendamm."
      "Am Mittelpfeiler."
                 0;                &# 160;  "Ich lösche die Flamm."
"Ich mit."

                "Ich komme vom Norden her."
"Und ich vom Süden."
                 0;                &# 160;  "Und ich vom Meer."

"Hei, das  gibt einen Ringelreihn,
Und die Brücke muß in den Grund hinein."

"Und der  Zug, der in die Brücke tritt
Um die siebente Stund'?"
                 0;                &# 160;      "Ei, der muß mit."
"Muß mit"

                 "Tand, Tand
Ist das Gebilde von Menschenhand!"

Sorry school days - one of the poems I had to learn

by PeWi on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 06:46:35 PM EST
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one of the poems I had to learn

Hah! Me too, when I went to school there...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 07:00:43 PM EST
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Sur le pont d'Avignon,
L'on y danse, l'on y danse,
Sur le pont d'Avignon
L'on y danse tout en rond.
Les beaux messieurs font comme ça
Et puis encore comme ça.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 07:23:27 PM EST

Can there be any comparison?

by tis on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 01:12:29 AM EST

This pair of railway bridges is at Biatorbágy, just west of Budapest, on the Vienna-Budapest mainline. This bridge has a story that is the Hungarian parallel to the Kennedy assassination - except there certainly was a conspiracy of some sort.

On the 12th September 1931, at late night, the rails were blown up in front of the Orient Express as it crossed the bridge - the train fell into the abyss, 23 dead.

The culprit was Sylvester Matuschka (or, with Hungarian spelling, Szilveszter Matuska - he was a typical multilingual, multi-identity subject of the Habsburg monarchy), a mine owner then with residence in Vienna, who served in a railway sabotage unit in Hungary during WWI - i.e., plenty of explosives experience. He mingled among the injured passengers, and boarded a train home unharrassed - but in Vienna he was arrested: Austrian police was already looking for him, in connection with two previous derailing attacks which were his 'exercises' for the big one (the last day of 1930 at Anzbach near Vienna, and August 1931 between Jüterbog and Kloster Zinna near Berlin).

And from here it gets strange. In Hungary, the government announced the state of emergency, and implemented a pre-planned crack-down on the communists (helped by the fact that Matuschka - or, in more tinfoil-hat versions, police conspirators - left behind misleading anonymous letters praising a 'revolution'). They held a communist suspect, and even while the trial of the real culprit went on in Austria, executed the two leaders of the communist party as the brains behind that communist. Eyewitnesses were listened to only in a second trial.

There are speculations based on some pecularities that Matuschka had cover from the authorities and was allowed to escape - at any rate, he was the member of a far-right ex-officers' association. Likewise, from the right-wing press of the time, new theories were spun forth that Matuschka was a super-secret communist agent, planted by the Soviets into a right-wing background years earlier (a bit incoherent: if so, why leave letters behind that make the communist motivation explicit?...).

In the trial itself, Matuschka behaved in a very eccentric way, and after originally confessing to the crime, he even began to blame an imaginary friend. The expert conclusion then and now was that he was not insane, he was acting over-the-top. In the end he got life inprisonment - and things get even more mysterious at this point.

Matuschka disappeared during WWII. There are two versions of what happened to him - and both with documentary evidence and testimonies! One has him staying in prison until the Russians came, when he'd welcome the soldiers as the last inmate, then disappears. But the other has him offering his bombing expertise to the army in November 1942, when the Russians began to push back the fascist invaders - and disappearing or getting killed on the Eastern Front two years later. At any rate, some people claim that they met him in the seventies when he re-visited Hungary, of course under false name - while others speculate that he was taken by the Russians and made to work for them.

The viaduct itself was disused two-three decades ago, when the railway line was realigned - but in 1982, they were used in a spectacular re-creation of the trainwreck for the US-West German-Hungarian movie The Train Killer (Der Fall MatuschkaViadukt), starring Michael Sarrazin.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 04:25:25 AM EST
I have always been very fond of the Clifton Suspension bridge (bristol, england)

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by Boudicca (badgerval at hotmail dot com) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 02:53:42 PM EST

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