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German coalition poker: Who will blink first?

by brainwave Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 05:42:59 AM EST

From the diaries ~ whataboutbob

I was going to post this as a comment to whataboutbob's diary on the nascent coalition talks in Germany - the attempt of the various players to deal with the train wreck that were last Sunday's elections. Well, you know how it goes - the comments grew into a diary.


A panoply of scenarios and only two likely solutions - None of the three mathematically possible "small" alliances are likely to succeed. Nobody is ready to team up with the Linke at this point, and the Linke itself could only deal with the SPD, but won't, since opposing Schroeder's reform agenda is their raison d'etre at this point. There's too much incompatibility between Greens and FDP (two experiments of state-level "traffic lights" coalitions have fallen apart, each after three years, in both cases mostly b/c of incessant infighting between FDP and Green Party ministers), Greens and CDU/CSU, and even FDP and SPD. So it's going to be either a big coalition or new elections.

Fear and loathing of the voter - The big parties fear new elections - they know full well they would bear the full brunt of the wrath of the voter. The worst case scenario for either of the big guys is to get successfully framed by the other side as the obstructionists who wouldn't strike a deal b/c they put party and personal careers before country.

The prize - The main obstacle to forging a big coalition is the question of who's going to be chancellor - that's what it's mostly about now. Neither party wants to be shut out of power. So the various small coalition options serve as the jokers in the game - as soon as one of the big guys can muster the appearance of being close to forging a small coalition deal, the other will have to act by dropping some of their demands. Also, naturally neither party wants a new guy/gal from the other side to gain incumbency. Finally, each camp has to consider how they're going to position themselves within a grand coalition. Either would naturally want to use a big coalition as a springboard for a new small coalition under their leadership. So the big question is, who's going to get the credit for any successes of a big coalition, and who's going to get the blame for any failures?

The players -  The official CDU/CSU position is Merkel has to be chancellor. Their fall-back position will be it has to be one of their people - names bandied about include Stoiber, Wulf, and Koch, the ministerpraesidenten (heads of state governments) of Bavaria, Lower Saxony, and Hessia. The SPD line is it has to be Schroeder, and their fall back line will be someone from their midst, including Peer Steinbrueck (former ministerpraesident of Northrhine-Westfalia), Kurt Beck (ministerpraesident of Rhineland-Palz), Franz Muentefering (SPD chairman and majority leader of their Bundestag caucus), Peter Struck (Schroeder's secretary of defense), or Wolfgang Clement (Schroeder's economy secretary and at one time rumored to be his heir apparent). Note I'm listing the names that are being floated by the MSM; I think Beck and Struck are ridiculous choices - they're good people, but they have the charisma of, err, well, they don't have that much charisma. Also, I can't help scratching my head over Steinbrueck's appearance on this list. The man's damaged goods - it was his election loss in Northrhine-Westfalia that motivated Schroeder to seek early federal elections. On the conservatives' side, I'm ready to discard Wulf. He's an up-and-comer but he's only been ministerpraesident for two years. So the serious backup options are Stoiber and Koch on the right and Muenterfering and Clement on the left. Koch - of DoDo's nightmare scenario - is the scariest option.

Perception is everything - There are no hard and fast rules for which party in a coalition gets to nominate the chancellor. Traditionally, it's always been the strongest party - the one with the most votes and the most seats in the Bundestag. That would be the CDU/CSU. Except, SPD and CDU/CSU aren't that far apart after Sunday's elections. They're separated by just three out of 613 seats - and that advantage of the Union could still theoretically be erased when the district Dresden 160 votes the Sunday after next (the vote was postponed there b/c the candidate of the Neo-Nazi party died three weeks before election day). Both Schroeder and Merkel are damaged goods after Sunday's elections - neither of them reached their goal. But Schroeder presented himself as victorious, b/c he had managed to beat expectations. Until today, Schroeder could also claim that a majority of Germans wanted him to stay in office. He was far more popular than Merkel in the run-up to the elections, and the first polls conducted after Sunday's vote indicated that most people preferred a grand coalition under him to one led by Merkel. Today, a new poll by Emnid - a polling firm said to have ties to the conservatives - suggests Merkel narrowly beating Schroeder by three percentage points. There will undoubtedly be other polls with other results in the coming days; but this could be a reflection of the fact that Schroeder's neener-neener attitude towards Merkel during the televized post-election debate on Sunday night didn't sit particularly well with the electorate. There's also Schroeder's argument that the SPD did in fact emerge as the strongest party from the election, since CDU and CSU are actually two parties, although they are in complementary distribution (the CSU operates only in Bavaria and the CDU everywhere else) and caucus together in the Bundestag. (Some SPD folks have even talked up a possible rule change that would split the conservative caucus when it comes to appointing the speaker (Bundestagspraesident) and filling the all-important committee positions and chairmanships (see PeWi's diary on this) - a move I think may also alienate voters.

Gazing into my crystal ball - Merkel is holding a marginally stronger hand. But there is no doubt, in my view, that Schroeder is by far the best gambler of all the major players in this game - so he may yet prevail. And as the game unfolds, you may want to keep in mind that the most attractive option for either side may not even be to win or defend the chancellorship - but rather to have the talks fail and manage to blame the other side for it.

Poll
Germany's next chancellor will be
. Angela Merkel 0%
. Gerhard Schroeder 21%
. Wolfgang Clement 0%
. Roland "supercreep" Koch 7%
. Franz Muentefering 14%
. Franz Beckenbauer 7%
. Edmund Stoiber 0%
. in a lot of trouble 35%
. I know but I'm not telling 7%
. I really couldn't care less 7%

Votes: 14
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I'm kinda partial to Muentefering's weird grumpy charm. He and Schroeder hail from opposite ends of my native Westfalia. Never underestimate the power of regionalism in German politics! Muentefering has become "Schroeder's man through and through", his most trusted confident in the current SPD leadership. Clement's popularity, on the other hand, has plummeted since he took office three years ago. He's seen as a cold, arrogant technocrat, and he hasn't been too successful either. So, my hunch is, "Muente" may be the man to watch.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 04:25:27 PM EST
A fellow Westfalian, I fell off the horse long ago.
by PeWi on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 10:05:39 PM EST
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Well not that long - eight years across the border in Holland; now it's my third year here in Upstate NY.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 10:44:36 PM EST
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it is actually eight years in exactly one week for me as well. Schotland first, then London, now Northumberland...
by PeWi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 08:47:36 AM EST
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Yes! Altough I do have my suspicions about the man (i.e. with stuff like the Heuschrecken speech while being so faithful to Schröder makes him appear a poseur), I also believe he would be the least bad choice.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 06:22:50 AM EST
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This is a bit off topic, but I don't know where to put my thoughts right now.

I am reading Charles Hawley's aricle on the English Page of "Der Spiegel" and under the title "The death of German Conservatism".

He made something clear to me. It struck me that he wrote this:

Yet last Sunday, 51.1 percent of the electorate cast their votes for left-of-center parties. Only 9.8 percent voted for classic conservatism in the form of the business-friendly Free Democratic Party (FDP) and a further 35.2 percent voted for the CDU/CSU, which, while it talked a tough economic game during the campaign, is hardly comparable with, say, the Republicans in the US. Conservatism, it seems, can't win in today's Germany.

As I didn't follow the development of the FDP in Germany, I ask you here, since when did the FDP (=Free Democratic Party = Liberal Democratic Party) become a   classic conservative party? Is today's FDP eventually rather a NFDP (Neo-Free Democratic Party = Neo Liberal Democratic Party)? I remember the FDP as clearly left from the CDU, ie in the center in civil rights issues and would not have counted their pro business-friendliness to equate to hard-core conservatism.

Then on the other hand he says this about conservatism in the US and Germany:


Germany has always had a different definition of political conservatism than the United States or Great Britain. As Gauland points out, the movement was almost fatally compromised when Weimar conservatives aligned themselves with the Nazis before World War II. "There has always been a problem," he says, "with redefining conservatism while at the same time staying away from this shameful past." And post-War Germany has made a clear decision in favor of a strong social net. The result is a conservatism that doesn't have a knee-jerk revulsion to "big government" as do conservative Republicans and interest in neo-liberalism is relatively limited.
That sounds as if conservative Americans are quite disappointed to find Germans uninterested in neo-liberal ideas. And I think Germans had no idea Americans were interested in spreading the influence of neo-liberalism in Germany, or were they?

In other words, because many Germans are fearful to locate their conservatives as right from the center in potentially close proximity of rather xenophobic and racist policies, the Americans don't equate their understanding of conservatism as tilted towards xenophobia and racism.

I wonder how in the US they managed to overlook that in their own conservatives followers, but it's true that the American conservatives get regularly very upset, if their policies and attitudes are seen as having to nazi-or fascist-style attributes. Which makes me wonder, because I can see the consequences of US extreme libertarian neo-liberal conservative economic policies ending up to support and enhance the already existing social-racial divide in the US. It's just a very gentle, subversive kind of racism, which you can't pinpoint as nicely as a good 'ol brownshirt of the German past.

I started to ask myself how conservative Germans are and I think the author of that article is right.

I have met quite a couple of young conservatives from Germany, who were visiting the US to do internships etc. What struck me was the fact that they were easily impressed by the conservative rhetoric of your typical conservative Think Tank intellectual. But the buck stopped at the point where they personally would have to live in a country whose social policies would be jepardizing their "comfort level" with a German-style social net and educational system that is free.

None of the young German conservatives visiting the US could ever imagine "to raise and educate their children in the US" as long as they were not super rich and none of them could ever imagine "to be unemployed and/or having to compete with the harsh realities of an US job market". Realization that it needs two people to have a well paid job to live as comfortably as you could in Germany with just one person working in the family, conservatism has it limits to them where it hurts their personal lives' comfort.  So, basically, if the shit of neo-liberal economics hits your personal life and you have not reached the upper class, Germans drop the ball of neo-liberal conservatism like a hot potato.

So, I come to the conclusion that the German election results are all the fault of the FDP. They simply should have been centrist liberals (in the sense of progressive liberals with regards to civil rights and centrists with regards to small business-friendliness and free trade. Apparently the FDP tilted too much to the right of the center and their increase in votes are run-aways votes from the CDU for tactical reasons only, right?  And the Americans shouldn't have hoped they could stirr a bit of conservatism in the German soup of centrist parties.  

If Hawley is correct in his assumption that US-style conservatism is dead in Germany, then I would say Merkel will not be the next Chancellor, but then I don't think that Merkel herself is a conservative. Which means I don't know what Merkel stands for and I guess millions of Germans don't know either. So, most likely she will be forced to blink and let someone else run to become Chancellor.

So, the fear of Germans of ally themselves to policies that could be seen as xenophobic or racist will never die, because of the German's past, whereas in the US voices that are xenophobic and racist never seem to fear much of a repercussion and are r

by mimi on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 04:41:25 PM EST
oops... please delete the last paragraph, I forgot to erase it.
by mimi on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 04:42:42 PM EST
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Good questions! Some quick responses:

  • On the history of the FDP - that's a long and very colorful story! For example, after the war, the FDP became a refuge to lots of (not so) former Nazis. The civil-liberties wing of the party has become all but extinct after it was systematically starved to death during the Kohl era. Nowadays, to understand the position of the FDP vis-a-vis CDU/CSU and SPD, class is just as important as ideology. CDU/CSU and SPD are both primarily going after lower and lower-middle class voters. In contrast, the FDP has been focusing on the German equivalent of what I like to call the "SUV set" in America - the have-more-want-still-more-and-care-not-for-others. As you know, in the States these folks are Bush voters...

  • The last conservative chancellor, Helmut Kohl, came to power at the same time as Reagan and Thatcher, and he publically embraced neoliberalism (almost) as much as they did. But he paid lip service to it (not unlike Tony Blair according to that Liberacion piece Jerome has diaried about). When (Continental) European conservatives talk about the role of government in the economy, they start from a very different baseline from what Anglo-American conservatives have in mind. The great majority of CDU/CSU voters want the system of government-provided social services just as much preserved as do the SPD voters. That's of course different for the FDP voters, since they don't need them...


If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 05:21:33 PM EST
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Thank you, brainwave, I am glad to have learned something about today's FDP here. I think I live still in the sixties and seventies when it comes to Germany's parties. This site is very helpful to Germans overseas, who risk losing their ties to Germany.
by mimi on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 09:43:02 PM EST
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I see I got it all backwards. I had you down for an American living in Germany ;-)

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 10:48:56 PM EST
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Your confusion might be due to the fact that both the UK Liberal Democrats (not to be confused with the Japanese party of the same name) and the FDP are within the Liberal International and sit together as part of the "Liberal" group within the European Parliament. Also in that group are the Dutch VVD who are on the right of the grouping along with the FDP. On the other hand the Liberal Democrats are much closer in views to the other  Dutch Liberals, D66, both being on the greener/lefter side of the group.
by Londonbear on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 02:50:08 AM EST
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So, I come to the conclusion that the German election results are all the fault of the FDP. They simply should have been centrist liberals (in the sense of progressive liberals with regards to civil rights and centrists with regards to small business-friendliness and free trade.

1.  Isn't the SDP or the Green Party a progressive liberal with regards to civil rights and centrists with regards to small business-friendliness and free trade?

If so, why do you want another party like that?

2.  After the FDP becomes a liberal or centrist party,  should the voters, who favor free-market solutions to the problems, pack their bags and go away, or stay at home and not vote?  

 

by ilg37c on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 02:23:44 AM EST
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ilg37c, sorry but this has bothered me since I read your first post. It is SPD not SDP. SDP is a British Party splitting off to the right from Labour.
There was a German SDP, for exactly one year - between 1989 and 1990. And I am sure you are not referring to them or are you - they only existed in the GDR and united with the SPD in 1990.

SPD is the Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschland's since 1890. I do hope you are aware of the difference also to the British SDP?

Especially if we discuss the history of certain parties, an occasional speeeelllink error is fine, I certainy make plenty, but you seem to always call them SDP. Please change your usage. Thanks.

P.S did you read my explanation of the difference between Manchester and Rheinland Capitalism?

by PeWi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 09:00:31 AM EST
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(me too, but contrasting the two below I think is funny:)

Above: Deutschland's Elsewhere: Schotland

PeWi, that expacts are half here, half there truly shows  :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 09:48:35 AM EST
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hehe, I only noted the "certainy", when it was already too late... (preview is your friend)

I am normaly better in spoken conversation, normaly? , have always been, especially my spelling - it has always been atrocious.

But there are those words, where I don't like the English translation. "Bundesland" as "federal state" f.e.  it is just so clonky, and does not convey their respective traditions, some having been countries in their own rights. So I use Laender and hope people understand.

Actually I have this with a lot of words - and on a side note, I never curse in German, but in English, quick as pie (-:

by PeWi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 11:07:48 AM EST
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I stand corrected - SPD, not SDP.

It should be the [S]ocial [D]emocratic [P]arty, so I put the three initial letters, and that's how I get to SDP. I am thinking in English, instead of German.

P.S. No. Where is it? Thanks.

by ilg37c on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 10:49:44 AM EST
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reposted, from further down:
Rheinland capitalism means that a company shows resonsibility for the wellfare of its workforce from the cradle to the grave and not just while they worked at a plant, Things such as:

Building and providing housing, pension, 13th Salary at Christmas (I can remember getting that), cheap/reduced holidays, sports facilities, medical facilities.

A tradition that used to be very strong in Germany - introduced not by the state, but by the industrialists themselves.

One reason why the unions f.e still have such a strong influence, in my opinion.

by PeWi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 11:15:01 AM EST
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  1. If a company (not a state) wants to provide welfare for its employees, from the cradle to the grave, its fine with me.  If the company (not a government bureaucrat) wants to pay two or three 13th salary at Christman, instead of one, its perfectly Okay.  :-)

  2. However, it increases the cost of the production or the service, which means that the customer should pay more for the product (shoes) or service (software program) that before.  So, for example, you pay $150 instead of $100 for the program.

This decreases the consumer spending and diminishes the purchase power. Instead of buying a software ($100) plus and iPod ($50), you can only buy a software ($150).  It means iPod sales are down, and the Apple can't hire more employees, because fewer iPods are being sold.  And if you are poor or unemployed, (a) you might not be able to buy the software ($150) because its more expensive than it would have been prior to the increased costs; (b) and you will definitely not buy both the software and the iPod.

3. The Investors would shy away from investing in the software company, because their return is lower, than it would have been before.  Which means, in part, that the software company won't grow (at all or at a slower pace), which in turn means it will offer fewer new jobs (for the unemployed or the newcomers to the workforce).

Instead the investors would invest in other companies.

4.  In the era of globalization and increased trade (esp. free trade), the German company making software ($150) can't compete with a Chinese or Indian company who sells the same software for $30.  Therefore,
(a)  Germany raises the tariffs so the Chinese software costs $150, and protects the German company and its employees.  But then, the consumer (esp. the poor who get hurt more , because the rich might be able to afford it at $150) do not have the choice  to buy the software for $30, which is not fair for them.

(b) German company cuts the welfare benefits for the employees, i.e. the costs for the company in order to compete.

5. In the end, the economic realities of 1960s and 1970s, don't work in today's environnment.  
(a) We live in the information age (present and future).  The agricultural and the industrial age are the past.  

(b)  We are a the service economy (by in large), so when I (in America) call yahoo or america online for internet support, or my bank  or credit card company to do a transaction or inquire about an information, or Dell or Toshiba computer manufacturer for technical help, more often than not the call is forwarded to India (mostly) or even Phillipines and Argentina (rarely).  This allows yahoo or my bank or Dell to cut the costs, and therefore charge me less money and/or provide more services than before.

Btw, it also provides jobs to the person in India, Phillipines and Argentina, making them more prosperous. The irony is that this shows the hypocrisy of the left/socialist/liberal politicians (fueled by the power of the trade unions or the corporations seeking government welfare), who purport, and claim, and talk, and promise, and on and on, to help the poor, while in reality, they hurt the poor.

(c) Nothing helps to create a middle class in the developing countries than the free trade.  

Cheers.

by ilg37c on Sat Sep 24th, 2005 at 10:04:49 AM EST
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I ask you here, since when did the FDP (=Free Democratic Party = Liberal Democratic Party) become a   classic conservative  party?

I think the explanation lies in the author's background. He is not a local, he is an American journalist currently working for SPIEGEL. (I just looked him up.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 06:28:21 AM EST
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post-War Germany has made a clear decision in favor of a strong social net. The result is a conservatism that doesn't have a knee-jerk revulsion to "big government" as do conservative Republicans and interest in neo-liberalism is relatively limited.

Indeed this is a view from an American viewpoint. However, (continental) European conservatives didn't have a "big government" revulsion before Hitler either. But their big government much less aimed at social services, more at regulation, authoritarian control and military preparedness.

In other words, because many Germans are fearful to locate their conservatives as right from the center in potentially close proximity of rather xenophobic and racist policies, the Americans don't equate their understanding of conservatism as tilted towards xenophobia and racism.

Good observation! As the rest of what you wrote!

I don't think that Merkel herself is a conservative. Which means I don't know what Merkel stands for and I guess millions of Germans don't know either.

My own impression of her is that she is indeed not an ideological conservative, but she wants power, and she will spout (and execute) any conservative ideology if she feels that is needed for her to stay in power. On the other hand, since I think the single most important characteristic of conservativism is hypocrisy, shoruding pure lust for power in leaders, she is very much a conservative :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 06:43:51 AM EST
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Indeed this is a view from an American viewpoint. However, (continental) European conservatives didn't have a "big government" revulsion before Hitler either. But their big government much less aimed at social services, more at regulation, authoritarian control and military preparedness.

Aah, well said, do you know when this "big government" revulsion in the US came into being? Was it in the 1910 to 1925? And since when did it become part of conservatism?  And since when became it part of right-wing (racial-and ethnic based) conservative movement. As historically, racism in the US were part of the Southern Democrats.

I found an article by Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., which sheds some light on it, I think.

Southern Democratswere the conservative Confederates and slave holders who flew the "Stars and Bars" of the Confederate Flag. Under the "Stars and Stripes" of the U.S. Flag, radical northern Republicans opposed slavery, supported Reconstruction and were willing to use the "Big Federal Government"

From an ideological perspective, socially liberal, but business oriented northern Republicans, opposed slavery's expansion westward in the name of "free labor." Free labor contrasted with the "slave labor" ideology of southern Democrats.
and its taxing powers to save the Union, free the slaves and pay for building a more perfect Union for all Americans.

But this business oriented ideology of "free labor" also made socially liberal Republicans conservative economically because of their commitment to a "free market" economy. Thus, both northern Republicans and southern Democrats were economically conservative because both accepted a laissez faire ("let alone" or "non-interference" in the economy) philosophy of government toward the private sector. Inherent in this ideology was an anti-government attitude and resulting policy -- except if government could be used to advance the narrow special economic interests of the private sector.

Hmm, I just found this article by chance and it actually answers a lot of my questions much better than I thought. I will read it carefully first, before going further off topic here. Thanks for your patience and answer.

by mimi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 01:20:51 PM EST
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I think the explanation lies in the author's background. He is not a local, he is an American journalist currently working for SPIEGEL. (I just looked him up.)

Yes, that was my first thought as well.
by mimi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 01:22:11 PM EST
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My take on some of the candidates behind Merkel and Schröder:

From the SPD:

  • Steinbrück: The SPD did lose the elections in North Rhine Westfalia four month ago, but he personally was certainly not the reason for this loss. The campaign was dominated by national politics, driving down the SPD. He might not be that damaged if people think that the result was beyond his control. And this is already four month ago, the CDU has tanked 10% in NRW, people forget, etc. He is a straight-talking, pragmatic politician who has demonstrated that he can work out compromises with the CDU.  

  • Beck: Please, no.

  • Müntefering: He gives the impression of not really wanting power for himself, but being more of a party soldier who does what is expected of him. He didn't want to be chancellor, but perhaps people like him are exactly the right kind to give power to. Or it could just be a shrewd image manipulation...

  • Struck: Health issues.

  • Clement: He doesn't really seem to be liked by a lot of the SPD, is seen as right-wing SPD. This would be problematic, as he would have to provide a left counterpoint to the CDU to balance a big coalition.

A name that was bandied about before the election as a potential future strong man in the SPD: Sigmar Gabriel, former Ministerpräsident of Lower-Saxony. Thankfully, he is damaged from losing the election against Wulff and being the SPD point-man for pop music while waiting for something bigger to be offered to him.  

From the CDU:

  • Stoiber: Weakened by the election result in Bavaria (under 50%), going to Berlin could be a welcome escape from being slowly pushed aside in the CSU. It should be clear from 4 years ago that Germany didn't want him to be chancellor and there doesn't seem to have been any change in this sentiment.

  • Koch: Please, no, no, no, no, no.

  • Wulff: Currently the most liked politician nationally, probably mostly due to him not having done anything (yet) to piss people off. That would change extremely quickly once he would have to govern nationally.
by ltl on Thu Sep 22nd, 2005 at 05:45:43 PM EST
Clement: He doesn't really seem to be liked by a lot of the SPD, is seen as right-wing SPD.

Hear, hear! He is THE SPD politician I dislike as much as any conservative. Maybe I'd prefer even Merkel over him.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 06:19:45 AM EST
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Seems as if they now thinking of blinking together oscillating and unisono, Schroeder with his left eye and Merkel with her right eye.

Ladies and Gentlemen, how may we serve you our new beefy Chancellor Sharing Steak today - raw, medium, or well done?

I need some red ketchup with that and lot's of French Fries.    

by mimi on Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 05:02:25 PM EST
What are the rules about having another election if no majority coalition can be formed?
by asdf on Sat Sep 24th, 2005 at 09:38:19 AM EST
There at a maximum three rounds to elect a chancellor.

In the first round, the Bundestag votes on a candidate that is proposed by the Bundespräsident.  The Bundespräsident is free to choose the candidate and he's not bound by time limits.  Tradidition shows, that he proposes a candidate that is likely to get an absolute majority (called Kanzlermehrheit -- chancellor majority).  Should his candidate get this absolute majority, he must name him as chancellor.

If the candidate doesn't get a majority, there is a second round of voting.  Here there can be multiple candidates suggested from within the Bundestag.  If anyone of them gets an absolute majority, the Bundespräsident has to name him/her as chancellor.  Again, as far as I know, there is no time limit for this second round of voting to take place.

Should none of the candidates get an absolute majority, there must be a third round of voting immediately afterwards.  Should one of the candidates get an absolute majority in this round, the Bundespräsident has to name them.  However, if none of the candidates get an absolute majority, the Bundespräsident has a choice: He can either name the candidate who got a plularity of the votes or he can decide to dissolve the Bundestag and call for new elections.  He has 7 days to make this decision.

In the meantime the old government takes care of business.

by hesk on Sat Sep 24th, 2005 at 10:50:38 AM EST
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