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Public service on the net: 9 Mozart symphonies as MP3's

by BobFunk Tue Jan 31st, 2006 at 07:47:53 AM EST

Last year the BBC's Radio 3 made headlines when they offered up Beethoven's nine symphonies for download as MP3's. The offer was met with a tremendous response: more than a million downloads was registered during the month the experiment lasted.

Now the Danish equivalent of BBC, Danmarks Radio, has launched a similar experiment as part of the celebrations of Mozart's 250th anniversary. During the next month, nine of Mozart's 41 symphonies will be offered for download in recordings by the Danish Radio Symphony Orchestra as high quality MP3 files (256 kbps). It is even possible to subscribe to the downloads as a podcast, and automatically get the symphonies as they are made available.


Currently number 41 and 39 are available, and during the next 10 days seven more will be released. They can be found at this page, and even if the text it in Danish, I think it should be fairly straight forward to find the download links. To subscribe to the podcast use the string, http://podcast.dr.dk/mozart/rssfeed/mozart.xml , in iTunes or whatever client you use for podcasts.

Enjoy!

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It is worth noting that the BBC experiment was generally met with anger by the record labels, that argued that the Radio Station was undermining the value of music and that any further offers would be unfair competition. The BBC MP3's was of a fairly low quality though (128 kbps), in no way comparable to the sound of a CD recording. Not so with the Mozart MP3's from DR. Few people would be able to distinguish a 256 kbps MP3 from a CD, and two of the symphonies will even be offered in a brand new surround sound MP3 format, making them more comparable to the quite rare Super Audio CD's.

I expect the record labels to be outraged again, and no doubt the charges of unfair state subsidized competition will reappear. To me, though, this seems like an excellent form of public service and I see no principle difference between transmitting the concerts of the Danish Radio Symphony Orchestra in the radio, and making them available on the Internet.


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by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net) on Tue Jan 31st, 2006 at 08:02:42 AM EST
"An excellent form of public service"- you are completely right. After all, those listeners who feel the difference between the the sounds from an original CD and those from a downloaded copy from Internet and it is of any importance to them, could always go and buy the hard copy.
by Denny on Tue Jan 31st, 2006 at 09:24:29 AM EST
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I think the record labels objection is that in the case of the DR symphonies the downloaded copy is basically CD quality, so there would be no reason to go and buy a CD with the symphony (if it wasn't because a Mozart symphony isn't just a symphony and interpretations can be incredibly different).

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by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 05:43:04 AM EST
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Not only Mozart's symphonies. I have all of Beethoven's symphonies but done by different directors and orchestras, and I feel inclined to go out and complete the Georg Solti set.

It's been a few years and I have yet to see a solid argument from the record companies opposing music downloads. It's just legal and marketing noise, as far as I'm concerned.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 05:53:55 AM EST
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It really goes for all music that the recording is at least as important as the composition.

The case around these downloads is of course very different from the problem of illegal downloads (via file sharing or the like). This has less to do with the general problems of copyright, and far more to do with the question of what public service should be on the Internet. In Denmark we have a quite strong tradition of public service through radio and TV, but  as the Internet takes on the role as the main mass media that tradition will of course be put under pressure by those who wishes for a world of only private, non state-subsidized media.

DR (the Danish Radio) is doing a lot to create a new tradition of public service through the internet (as is the BBC in England), and the offering of Mozart symphonies for free is of course a part of this attempt to take state subsidized media to the internet. It goes without saying that those who's ideal is a more or less completely private media market, based on free competition (with the USA as a model), are doing their best to stop these moves; and the move from TV and radio to the internet opens up the old fronts in the fight over visions for the media landscape.

This is why the claims of unfair competition are important. There are already a lot of attacks on the public service TV and radio stations in Europe from commercial stations, and the battle is raging in the EU commission as well as through the EU court. But in this area the commercial interests faces stiff opposition because there is already such a firm tradition in place in those EU countries that have strong state funded public service media. Not so on the web, where public service is still something new and untried. In Denmark, for example, the main government party Venstre has proposed that DR should finance the content on the web by charging users directly (through subscriptions and the like) and only use the license money for the traditional areas of public service. I am sure the BBC is facing similar attempts to curtail their online activities.

So behind the simple pleasant fact of now being able to download classical music legally and for free, a complex political game is going on, with public service stations trying to secure their role in society, as the media landscape is changing.

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Disclaimer: before I moved to Madrid I worked as a freelancer for the music area on the webpage of the Danish Radio.


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by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 06:52:26 AM EST
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Jeg vil gerne laese en dagbog om din oplevelse som en dansker i Madrid.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 06:58:27 AM EST
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Impressive, your Danish is quite good! :)

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 12:41:00 PM EST
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2 years of instruction ending 6 years ago...

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 12:44:38 PM EST
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Ah, well there you go, old habits die hard.

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 12:47:57 PM EST
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That's what I discovered. Oplevelse is not even in an online dictionary I went to check after I posted my comment.

By the way, this exchange illustrates why it is so hard to learn Scandinavian languages (and, I am told, Dutch): as soon as natives hear you say anything they congratulate you and switch to English.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 12:50:32 PM EST
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At skrive dansk er ligesom at kaere cykel, ikke?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 12:56:00 PM EST
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Er... I mean køre.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 01:01:12 PM EST
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Okay, I will try to answer your question in Norwegian.

Jo du har helt rett, å skrive og snakke språk er litt som å sykle

People from Scandinavia are not that used to people speaking their language and thus automatically switches over to English when in international communities.

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 01:27:42 PM EST
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You see I love my bicycle, when I have one.

Jeg verstår dig. Det skal være bokmål.

You can only generalize like that because of how high English fluency is in Scandinavia (and the Netherlands). Most people in larger or poorer European countries can't do that.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 01:39:58 PM EST
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Ja du har helt rett igjen, det er bokmål jeg snakker.

The second official language in Norway is as you may know nynorsk, but it is rarely spoken in the big cities.  Still, I have to admit that nynorsk is a more beautiful language than bokmål. Nynorsk is an artificially constructed language, but it has its roots from the Norwegian dialects spoken in rural areas.  

Of all the Scandinavian languages, I personally find Swedish the most beautiful languages, when spoken.  

 

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 02:17:10 PM EST
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I do like the cadence of Swedish, and how clean the sounds are.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 05:41:06 PM EST
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I think it's actually a natural instinct of some sort -- people want to address someone in the language of the person being spoken to.  Hmmm, I didn't say that very elegantly, did I?

What I mean is that I have frequently seen this exact thing happen in many different countries, including to me in Spain. :-)

I think this is really instinctive, and the reason I think so is because I've often seen very young children doing exactly that.

An American colleague of mine is married to a Danish woman, and they lived in Russia for a few years, where their already-bilingual kids learned Russian.  The kids would speak to my colleague only in English, although he speaks both Danish and Russian and frequently tried to engage them in conversation in both of those languages.  He would ask his five-year-old "how was your day" in Danish, and the kid would answer in English every single time.

They would also speak to their mother only in Danish, and to their Russian nanny only in Russian.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 02:36:51 PM EST
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I do think you are on to something.  As I see it, people think, often unwittingly, of themselves when speaking a language other than their mother tongue, very much because they want to practice their language skills.  

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 02:55:15 PM EST
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Jeg er imponeret over dit dansk! Min kæreste er i fuld gang med at lære dansk - to lektioner om ugen - og hver gang hun kommer hjem fra en time brokker hun sig over mit umulige sprog ;)

Godt at se at det kan læres!

Skal nok prøve at skrive et par linier om at flytte til Madrid i løbet af ugen.

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by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 02:57:30 PM EST
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Det skulle være ved Escuela Oficial de Idiomas. Min kæreste var også dansk, for seks år siden. I Spanien de meste folk lærer dansk forbi de har en dansk kæreste.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 1st, 2006 at 06:26:01 PM EST
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Sí, mi novia está aprendiendo danés a la Escuela Oficial de Idiomas. Estoy viviendo aquí en Madrid desde finales de agosto, y yo también estoy estudiando en la Escuela Oficial. Empecé en el curso en español pare extranjeros en octubre y he aprendido mucho en estos cuarto meses, pero español es una lengua muy complicada, con muchos tiempos y muchas palabras. Voy a empezar un nuevo curso en dos semanas.

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by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net) on Thu Feb 2nd, 2006 at 08:39:43 AM EST
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Hey I understood that :-) unlike the beautifully spoken Danish at the beginning of the WONDERFUL Mozart recordings. This is a great public service indeed. Thank you for posting the link. I wonder if the fact that all instructions and information are in Danish give the record industry a sense that this is less accessible then  the BBC versions you mentioned.

I had not listened to any Mozart in a long time (broken turn table & all classical CDs mistakenly on long term loan to friends) this was terrific. It made me want to stand up and wave my arms in the air as if directing an imaginary orchestra. Thank you!! Mange tak! Muchos Gracias!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Thu Feb 2nd, 2006 at 11:40:49 AM EST
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