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How I voted for 3 different parties simultaneously

by DoDo Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 06:49:14 AM EST

Today (Sunday) in Europe, while Austria elects a parliament, there are local elections in Hungary. The right-populist opposition party Fidesz calls it the "third round of this year's elections", hoping that in the wake of last two week's troubles, a big loss for the Socialists and liberals in the cities and villages could bring down the government.

The most coveted prize is that of the mayor of the capital Budapest, a post won in all previous free elections by Gábor Demszky, of the (now neo-)liberal SzDSz party. After much gnashing of teeth on part of the Socialists (MSzP), he is now again the joint candidate of MSzP and SzDSz.

To make the choice wasn't a pleasure for me... which resulted in the situation described in the title. More below the fold.

Update [2006-10-2 8:9:13 by DoDo]: Now with results.


I moved away from Budapest recently, but I'm still registered to vote there. Budapest is a bit like London: the districts have their own mayors and assemblies, and these are stronger than the central Budapest counterparts. So I had four different votes.

In my district, the right to far-right parties (the latter is the anti-semitic MIÉP) are in an explicit coalition endorsing the same candidate for major, so my choice was easy: whoever is most likely to beat them. So I picked the Socialist candidate for both district mayor and local representative.

Not a choice out of love. For, the local 'soc-lib' party landscape is as follows:

  1. the last 'communist' "Council President" of the district and his patronage took over the local branch of the liberal and ex-dissident SzDSz(!);
  2. the current mayor of the district, elected a Socialist, got at loggerheads with another group within his party, and now runs as an independent,
  3. that another group, around the district's representative for Parliament, took over the local branch of MSzP and made her also their candidate for district mayor...

Now for mayor of Budapest. I have several issues with the current major, such as: he grew grey in the office, he is too much of a media politician, he moved out of Budapest into the agglomeration (though he also has an apartment in the city), he doesn't care enough about environmental issues and too much about cars. However, consider the most likely alternative, long-time district III mayor István Tarlós:

This guy made a name as a local strongman, a straight-talker, an advocate of law and order, and conservative values. That included attacks on youth culture, on issues like noise emissions from a concert or drugs. Also, just look at the expression on his face. All in all, a guy reminding of France's presidential hopeful Sarkozy.

Tarlós runs as an independent, but with the support of a wide spectrum of right-wing parties, most notably the main right-wing party Fidesz, and Jobbik, a far-right youth party that had a role in organising the recent anti-government protests that led to riots. Given that right-wing parties failed to win majority in every single election in Budapest (both local and national), Fidesz now chose to hide behind Tarlós's independence completely, meaning that there are no election posters in Budapest displaying Fidesz's emblem! E.g. Tarlós is Fidesz's stalking horse.

Of the also-ran, I will mention Kálmán Katona, candidate of the small Fidesz-independent centre-right party (and onetime dominant party of the first freely elected government...) MDF. (My diary The Laughing Fourth was about MDF's miraculous survival). I remember Katona from the 1998-2002 period, when he was in the Fidesz-MDF government, and would spew out the most blood-boiling incendiary rhetoric with a flashing smile.

However, MDF broke with Fidesz since then -- and Katona's election programme is simply the best. It is easily the most detailed and practical, and it is heavily focused on what would be green issues. (Even his election poster, which I couldn't find on-line: Katona on a bike.)

So what should DoDo do?...

I checked out some recent polls (one week old), and even the one closest to Fidesz showed these preferences for all voting-age Budapesters:

...and for certain voters (who promise to go voting):

So Tarlós looks like losing to Demszky even if participation is low, and first reports are that it will be high (higher than in 2002).

So this is what I did: no fear of Tarlós, so let's protest vote for the chanceless candidate with the best programme, Kálmán Katona. But I don't like those MDF faces actually sitting in the Budapest assembly, and it is no good for anyone if Demszky is mayor against a right-wing majority in the assembly, so a vote for the SzDSz list.

Polls close at 19h, I post first predictions then; meaningful results late night.

Update [2006-10-2 8:9:13 by DoDo]: So the results are:

  • Participation: 53.12%, a new record (it grew every four years since the 33% in 1990), which partly reflects a right-wing mobilisation vs. 'left-wing' voter base demoralisation.

  • Right-populist Fidesz won almost everywhere: 18 of the 20 regions (and a stalemate in the other two), almost all villages and small towns, most major cities.

  • For mayor of the capital Budapest, Demszky won with 46.86%, Tarlós is just 1.66% behind, Katona got exactly 6%, and far-right MIÉP's candidate got a mere 1.4% (pollsters' expectations were up to 5%, who thought MIÉP voters are hiding their choice).

  • Four parties (MSzP, SzDSz, MDF, Fidesz) made it into the Budapest assembly, with a left/right stalemate that translates into a hairthin Socialist-liberal majority with the mayor's vote.

  • MSzP or SzDSz mayors still in the najority of the 23 districts, but in my former district, the right-wing got a narrow absolute majority... while in my new town of residence, the incumbent Socialist mayor won reelection by a mere 73 votes.

Quite some punishment. In the wake of (figurehead) President László Sólyom's speech, PM Ferenc "I lied!" Gyurcsány might call for a vote of confidence in Parliament.

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Interesting!

In France, elections tend to be separated in time. May or may not be a good idea.

by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 08:39:00 AM EST
In Hungary, parliamentary elections are in the spring and local elections in the autumn of the same year -- not a big separation, but some. So far most of the time it resulted in a first backlash against the parties in government.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 12:54:34 PM EST
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Ah I read too quickly and didn't realize the elections you were talking about are in differente places :).

In France, the separation are of the same order, they moved some out of 2007 to avoid having too many in 2007 though.

by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 02:37:52 PM EST
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Polls close in five minutes, I'll be watching TV from then.

Participation at 17h30m was 46.53%, exactly three-quarters of a percent higher than four years ago, when the final figure was some 51%.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 12:56:37 PM EST
First results:

  • Participation in local elections grew continuously since 1990 (then 33%), and now a new record is expected, around 53%.

  • It looks as if right-populist Fidesz won almost everywhere except the capital and a few major cities.

  • For mayor of the capital Budapest, at just over half counted, Demszky leads with almost 48%, Tarlós trails with just over 44%, Katona got 6%, and far-right MIÉP's candidate got much less than expected (1.5% instead of 5%).

  • For the Budapest assembly, at third counted, it now looks like four parties (MSzP, SzDSz, MDF, Fidesz) made it, and the socialist-liberal coalition maintains a small majority.

  • In my former district, the right-wing seems to have gained a clean victory with a narrow absolute majority... while in my new town of residence, an incumbent Socialist mayor seems to have won reelection.

When the polls closed, the (figurehead) President issued a TV address. He basically scolded everyone for the events of the last two weeks, and crossed the post-election speech plans of multiple parties by singling out some examples of campaign rhetoric as silly and unconstitutional. Then he ended his speech with the ominous note that "the key to the solution is in the hands of the factions of the governing parties", meaning that they have the opportunity to sack PM Gyurcsány.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 03:42:20 PM EST
far-right MIÉP's candidate got much less than expected (1.5% instead of 5%).

You might feel this is contradicted by the graphs in my diary. However, other pollsters and election-day pollsters showed higher figures, and pollsters generally assume that MIÉP voters aren't too willing to tell about their choices to them. Fortunately, it now looks like the hiding factor is dead, and MIÉP really became a dwarf even in Budapest, where it was the strongest. (Then again, as I told several times, Fidesz assimilated much of the far-right.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Oct 1st, 2006 at 04:09:52 PM EST
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Keep the comments coming, DoDo!

I hope Katona Kálmán did better than you think he did. He's the only one of these three who looks pleasant! Tarlós István looks positively (U.S.) Republican'

by Matt in NYC on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 12:40:14 AM EST
What kind of incendiary rhetoric did Katona use to come out with?

Tarlós looks very scary in that poster.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 02:54:42 AM EST
What kind of incendiary rhetoric did Katona use to come out with?

I'd be hard-pressed to remember any details, but it must have included soldiering on over issues like the big battle between the then government and Demszky over subway line 4 (the government withdrew funds it was legally obliged to pay but denied both the obligation and the political motive), highway construction financing, and war over the media. What I remember well is sitting before TV and wanting to punch into that smile after every sentence spoken.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 07:54:50 AM EST
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Tarlós looks very scary in that poster.

And consider that this is his own election poster, not a negative campaign poster by an opponent!...

To be fair to him, he is probably less mad than he is made out to be in the 'left' media. Or as some commentator noted on Index.hu, the internet news site I most often use and link pictures from, "not a far-rightist but a black-belt populist".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 08:16:10 AM EST
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I think I've put my finger on it -- he looks like Le Pen would love to look in his campaign posters.

(Le Pen is of course both Vichy far-right and a black-belt populist -- and a narcissist.)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 02:25:15 AM EST
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I'm curious what you can read from this face:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 03:47:50 AM EST
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Ex-communist?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:33:48 AM EST
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Not quite.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:40:22 AM EST
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but the over-excited check-his-blood-pressure! look makes me think he's probably pretty far to the Right. I bet he also indulges in a little anti-Semitism from time to time. Never trust a big man with tiny teeth.
by Matt in NYC on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 02:46:00 PM EST
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Am I right to guess that you know who's on the picture?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:12:35 PM EST
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He looks vaguely familiar for some reason, but I can't quite place him.
by Matt in NYC on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 08:05:06 PM EST
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It is poissible you remembered the following picture from my The Laughing Fourth diary (showing MIÉP leader Csurka, flanked by the leader of Jobbik and a lower-ranked MIÉP leader):



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:16:59 AM EST
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(...showing them contemplating a crushing election loss this spring.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:18:42 AM EST
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Maybe. I remember reading this diary and following through on some of the links. Also that I was particularly intrigued by Jobbik's retro double-cross logo.
by Matt in NYC on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 09:11:29 AM EST
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DoDo!  And you thought we wouldn't recognize you... ;-)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 07:06:49 AM EST
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That was below the beltline...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 09:52:04 AM EST
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I know, and I humbly apologize.  Couldn't help myself. :-\
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 09:57:13 AM EST
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Tiny party, focuses on hunter rights.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:27:31 PM EST
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He looks closer to what Le Pen really looks like.

I think there have been too many comments already for me to say any more. (Though the idea of him being a former Communist is not incompatible, of course, with him being a stinking anti-semitic rabble-rouser... Just as he could be the same thing on the far right).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:40:58 PM EST
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He looks closer to what Le Pen really looks like.

That's what I thought to post him -- he's the collague of Le Pen, and even had Le Pen invited for a rally a few years ago. He is István Csurka, leader of MIÉP.

(Re Migeru, there is a small communist connection. He took part in '56 as a youth, was sentenced, then got free, to become a celebrated playwright. When in the late eighties he sensed that the system is crumbling, he suddenly became outspoken and got silenced, then joined the right-wing mass party MDF, from which he broke away to form his far-right party. In the nineties, it came out that when in prison, he signed a paper that he will be an informant for the secret service. He claims he never wrote a report an none turned up, on the other hand, some agents reported in words, and it is suspicious that he was a supported [not tolerated, not banned] playwright until the end, and that he has rather good secret service connections that resulted in some leaks to him.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:14:44 AM EST
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If we are here, let me make the face test with this guy, too:

(For the record, I'm not testing you, I'm curious how much a face tells of the person to strangers.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:02:29 AM EST
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Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, wealthy businessman, patriotic?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:24:16 AM EST
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Only 1½ right...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:40:00 AM EST
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I'm more curious about personality and mannerism, though guessing ideology too. I hope afew will try too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:42:10 AM EST
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Hmmm.  Politicians with knives make me nervous.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 07:10:32 AM EST
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he'd be from the Northeast, New York or Boston, have something of a drinking problem and a badly covered-up record of groping interns in elevators. He'd also lean a little to the Left by American standards. Since he's Hungarian, however, and not Irish-American, I'll take my cue from the props and the backgrounds that he's a wee bit of a nationalist, which is usually NOT a good thing in your part of the world.
by Matt in NYC on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 02:27:48 PM EST
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A social democrat of sorts, and a nationalist.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:26:50 PM EST
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Oops, I meant to type Christian Democrat, not social.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:27:57 PM EST
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Traditionalist, probably Christian. (I'm getting this from the symbolism in the props like the bread, the church in the country setting). He's putting himself across as benevolent rather than authoritarian. But the black tie and the party symbol... hmm (though his tie in the bread picture is just a mess).

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:32:10 PM EST
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The hairstyle also reveals a person worried about relinquishing control.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:35:19 PM EST
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Wow. Then...

Then all fifty-plus conservative men in politics are worried about keeping control?

No? Every single politician? Yep, I think you're right!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:45:43 PM EST
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hehe
What's more his hair is cumbed to the right. A clear clue, I'd say.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:49:51 PM EST
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Geez, you guys are scary. I'm never going to post another picture of myself on the site...

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:14:48 PM EST
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Wait, we haven't told you what we think about that double-chin of yours!
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:33:21 PM EST
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Okay, here is the solution. Pictured is József Torgyán, onetime leader of the now defunct Smallholders' Party.

The party was a reincarnation of the party that won the first and last free elections after WWII (before the communist takeover), a socially conservative but economically redistributive party with the slogan "Bort, búzát, békességet!" = "Let there be wine, wheat, peacefulness" (hence the cutting of the bread at the election event). But it was soon hijacked and turned a single-person party by Torgyán.

If Tarlós is a black-belt populist, Torgyán was a grand master or even god. A privately highly intelligent attorney from the capital, he had a special gift to pretend to be a fiery rural simpleton, and work his (mostly truly rural simpleton) audience into a frenzy. His remembered wisecracks are innumerable (called "torgyániáda"). He was also very vain, with a funny sense of dres code and hairdo.

For about a year in the 1994-1998 period, his party even led opinion polls... then with growing scandals of his party, which also caused it to multiply by cell division, he fell back. Still he could join Fidesz's government in 1998. But Orbán was even more gifted at demagoguery and intrigue than him: he let Torgyán sink in some corruption affairs, and finished off his party by accelerating the cell division.

Being unable to live without publicity, a year or two ago, Torgyán resurfaced -- as permanent talk show guest...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:40:51 AM EST
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