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The seaside in Autumn (graphics heavy)

by In Wales Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 10:03:40 AM EST

I have a thing about piers, I just love them. In particular I love out of season piers around seaside towns, which I think stems from childhood and the short time I lived in Bognor Regis (of all places...)

The photos here were taken last week in Llandudno, early in the morning and late at night when I would otherwise have been sleeping.  I was supposedly staffing a conference but just kept staring out to sea.


I find there is a kind of eerie beauty about empty piers. The rock and souvenier stalls are all shut up, the garish plastic amusements and rides are folded away, no music is playing.  It's not even sleeping, it's just waiting.  Waiting for people to come back and fill it up with energy and life again.  

The landscapes in Llandudno are absolutely gorgeous. I first went there with my school when I was 5 and remember the pebbly shingles on the beaches, and of course the tram!  It shut in October so I couldn't go up on the tram again this time.

It is still all lit up at night, as though it is pretending it isn't really a ghost for the season.

And some gratutious arty shots.  I had a great time playing with my camera, just a shame I didn't have more time.

And of course it is autumn, and there are few places so beautiful (in my opinion) as the Welsh mountains and valleys as the colours turn.  This was taken somewhere on the way home.

I'll be posting something more substantial on any number of topics ranging from trade union membership to social constructions of poverty to why I'm unlikely to ever obtain a decent sized pension, once my next essay is out of the way.

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Awesome! You struck a chord with me! I grew up in a place called Balboa Island, and spent a lot of time around piers (swimming, sailing, trying to catch various sea creatures, etc). Nicve surprise!!

And...beautiful photos of your area too...thank you VERY much!!!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 10:26:40 AM EST
I'm so glad you like it, thank you!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 10:36:19 AM EST
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Great pictures - looks like a place worthwhile visiting. I always liked coasts and ocean. Though I do not like to grill in the sun, I like long walks along he the ocean.

Thanks for the diary!

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 10:58:31 AM EST
Beatiful and well composed.  Thank you.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 11:18:38 AM EST
If only I'd have seen this earlier, I would have headed off to the seaside myself.  but here's some pictures from last weeks trip



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:02:41 PM EST
It looks familiar but I can't remember where it is other than it being in Ceredigion?  I had chips there, loved the colourful houses.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:14:46 PM EST
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Ah I nearly added a picture of the icecream from there as well, It's a small town called Aberaeron

The icecream is probably worth the trip on its own, made with local hunny.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:18:14 PM EST
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I visited a few months ago when I was auditing the local council (dull job indeed, very glad I don't do that anymore!)  It's a sweet little town.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:22:19 PM EST
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Ah it's ten miles down the road from my house, so a frequent place to visit. several friends of mine work at the council, so may have run into you.

What were you auditing them for?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:38:33 PM EST
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I was working on an audit of Welsh Assembly Government policy on physical activity and we were looking at how local authorities were engaging with the agenda (Climbing Higher).  Technically I wasn't auditing the authority itself, but the Assembly policies and their effectiveness.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:43:07 PM EST
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Bleugh! that sounds fun

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:45:43 PM EST
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Indeed, I'm glad it isn't my job anymore.  Although that said, there were some really impressive local schemes across Wales, mostly funded by the European Structural Fund grants.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:50:43 PM EST
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Thank god for European money, it does keep a lot of peoiple in my area in work.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 12:54:06 PM EST
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What bugs me greatly with european and lottery funded projects is the lack of sustainability when the funding runs out.  I've seen some outstanding projects that have reached out and tackled some significant social issues so well and then funding ends and if they are lucky, the schemes can be broken up and bits of it carried on, but so often the whole thing ends because it can't find funding or sustain itself.

Also when auditing policies and requesting information from project officers (especially Communities First), they struggle massively to give any breakdown on spending, progress against objectives and numbers using the project, which makes it so hard to find the evidence to support continuation of successful schemes.

I now manage a DTI funded project and the broad range of skills I need to do all aspects of the job competently is hard to come by especially when you look at the salaries for project officer type jobs of this kind.  Perhaps fault lies with there not being better training and support for people managing community schemes?

Hmmm, I didn't expect seaside photos to bring me over to this topic!

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 01:15:02 PM EST
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it does sound too much like work

have some ice-cream



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 02:24:43 PM EST
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Yum. Those are generous portions.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 02:27:53 PM EST
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that's a vanilla, a raspberry and a coconut icecream, all sweetened by hunny.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:04:07 PM EST
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I've a distant cousin in Aberaeron.

God, I love these pictures of Wales!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:05:32 PM EST
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is the world not full of coincidences. I've a cousin who lives there too.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:09:23 PM EST
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Well, if afew has a distant cousin in Aberaeron, then so do I!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:18:41 PM EST
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the same cousin? or some odd everyone in Wales is related affair

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:26:20 PM EST
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Heh! Yes, all are related in Wales! (In Wales and I are in fact related... I'm her doddering old uncle.)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:38:13 PM EST
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Hardly doddering, and not really all that old.  You can still chase bears. If you wanted to.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:43:31 PM EST
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Thank you, my dear, and you're quite right. I don't chase bears only because I choose not to.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:07:48 PM EST
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There are bears where you live?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 02:40:46 AM EST
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No, but only because he used to chase them, when he wanted to.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 03:11:19 AM EST
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LOL!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 03:22:50 AM EST
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Yes, there are bears where I live. In the mountains, and occasionally in the foothills.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 10:37:53 AM EST
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But I only chase them when I really, really feel like it.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 11:02:57 AM EST
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Next time you go bear chasing you must tell me and I'll watch through a camera lens.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 12:23:40 PM EST
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Bears are so camera-shy.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 02:51:42 PM EST
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I now have a mental Image of her pushing you along Llandudno prom in your bath chair ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:46:56 PM EST
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May happen yet... :-)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:51:02 PM EST
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I have my Nephew marked down for this duty already, and he's only 6

someones got to wheel me round  to yell curses at the next generation of politicians.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:53:44 PM EST
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Better not be Llandudno then, better be Blackpool and that other B-Town mentioned below...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:06:20 PM EST
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well I do yell at politicians on general principle, even the ones I support need to be kept on their toes and reminded that we're watching.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:18:09 PM EST
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I wouldn't need to, electric scooters are all the rage along the promenade.  I saw an elderly couple racing each other on their scooters and then the woman shouted something, waved her walking stick in the air and then did a great big U-turn as her husband (I assume) failed to hear and carried on for ages.

Plenty of people sat about on benches, like in this shot.  I desperately wanted to ask them if I could properly take their photo but I was too polite to ask.


by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:14:56 PM EST
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Oh I'm just impolite, and casually take their pictures without asking, then go back and ask later, Generally if they know they are having their pics taking, they just dont look natural.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:22:13 PM EST
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I wish I'd done that...
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:34:09 PM EST
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Occasionally I do feel guilty afterwards and go back and ask, then fire off another pic, so that they know I've taken a picture, and they've given me permission, after I've already got the pic I want to use.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:49:37 PM EST
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Nice walk around Llandudno, that I too recall from childhood. I like empty piers too. Don't know Bognor Regis, but further along the coast there's a well-known one, pebble beach too, and particularly known worldwide for rock... And, what do you know, I think rg lives thereabouts!

Some may be wondering what rock is? Neither stone nor music. A kind of very tacky tooth-murdering candy cane sold in British seaside towns, with the name of the town running through the middle of the stick:

This is from Blackpool in northern England, but Graham Greene wrote about a southern town (mentioned above):

"It's like those sticks of rock: bite it all the way down, you'll still read B.....n."

Fantastic photos, In Wales. The last one is utterly beautiful, a heart-wrencher.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:35:14 PM EST
did you notice the railway in the bottom of the pic?

That rather limits the ammount of places that it can possibly be.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 03:43:17 PM EST
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I didn't pay much attention to it, DoDo will be pleased...

We might be Betws-y-coed way? (The tracks look a bit like the Snowdon railway?) I can't really tell the difference with the Ffestiniog line.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:03:20 PM EST
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I think it was about an hours drive away from Llandudno but I can't remember which way we travelled.  I was very hungry and not paying much attention to where we actually were, other than to admire the views. We stopped at a little garage to see if they had any snacks, but there wasn't anything I could eat, so I took photos instead.



by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:29:14 PM EST
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well probably not north or west

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:54:21 PM EST
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If I am right, Northeast Wales.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 06:58:53 PM EST
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Can you recognise it here?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 06:58:05 PM EST
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Definitely not Ffestinog, and definitely not Snowdon Railway, I know those. Betwys-y-Coed, that's a normal branchline, isn't it? So it's out too.

One hour from Llandudno, let's see... It could be Llangollen-Carrog.

BINGO! In fact, I think I found the exact location, it's next to Glyndyfrdwy.

BTW, In Wales, that photo just blew me away...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 06:49:58 PM EST
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Wow! I was thinking of either Snowdon or Ffestiniog, the only ones I've ridden on. When you say you know them, you mean you've visited?

I got Betws-y-coed mixed up with Llanberis for the Snowdon Railway.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 02:47:15 AM EST
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When you say you know them, you mean you've visited?

Unfortunately, not. The two times I was in Great Britain, I missed Wales. I know those lines from an article in a railfan magazine and from a TV show (both German), and also from having checked a map when reading the former. (It's the relief: no winding along a curving river, usually a favourite location for railway photographers, on either of those lines.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 07:05:07 AM EST
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I'm very impressed with your railway sleuthing.  I like railway lines, especially ones that go really long and straight off into the distance.  There was a disused railway line near my house in Shropshire (Admastan Spa) when I was very young and I loved playing there. It was all fields and wild ground then but it is now a big expensive housing estate for people with too many cars.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 08:09:25 AM EST
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I'm very impressed with your railway sleuthing.

You weren't around when I posted a certain diary series :-)

There was a disused railway line near my house

Disused railway lines make me cry... though I like discovering traces of long ago disused railways.

It was all fields and wild ground then but it is now a big expensive housing estate for people with too many cars.

I checked it on the 1:25000 map at Multimap.com, traces of a "dismtd rly" (dismantled railway I guess) can be followed all the way North to Nantwich. hat must be your childhood playground, the section in Admaston, they show as a cycle path -- so at least not overbuilt! Here  they say it operated for exactly hundred years (1867-1967).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 09:03:16 AM EST
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Yes, that's the place.  I went to Dothill Infants school which you can see on the map too.

The cyclepath seems to be the most likely place, although I remember sections of track still being there 22 years ago.  There was a short tunnel too. Thanks for the links, it was a great place to live at that time.

There are some fantastic photos in your diary series!

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 09:24:43 AM EST
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Thanks, but I mostly only selected them :-) Though one train diary with my own photos just happens to be in the pipeline, once I finish the next 1956 diary.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 09:59:32 AM EST
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the fork shaped patch of trees in the centre is growing along the side of a set of cuttings that were growing at the entrance of an old marshalling yard

That was the scene of some of my childhood play

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 12:34:35 PM EST
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There are good articles in Wikipedia on these three Welsh railways:

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 11:17:41 AM EST
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My parents retired to Colwyn Bay, so I know that N. Wales area pretty well. Many is the time I've been up the Great Orme (The Great Worm/Dragon?). Fantastic area - rugged beauty at its best.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 04:03:26 PM EST
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Adding my voice to the choir - lovely photos, I really enjoyed them.

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami
by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 08:22:39 PM EST
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These are really gorgeous, In Wales!  I especially liked the last one and the one with the blue clouds.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2006 at 10:09:46 PM EST
Thank you! I'm glad that people have enjoyed them.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 08:13:12 AM EST
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Great diary, In Wales.  I couldnae get to it before, but now I'm at a speedy connection, so I can.  Great pics.

So...we have two piers.  The commercial one.

...and the mystic one...

...which was bashed by the high seas...and bashed...and then it crumbled...

...and then someone set fire to it...

...and now it sits, a strange pagoda...in the morning mists...

...home to our population of starlings...

...gathering at twilight...

...hope you like the pics.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 10:35:51 AM EST
Fabulous pictures, thank you!!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 10:44:31 AM EST
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I've got a pile of pics of that rusty pier somewhere on my other machine

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 13th, 2006 at 12:36:13 PM EST
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