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Should we attack Russia? Or at least Algeria?

by Jerome a Paris Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 06:07:09 AM EST

Nato fears Russian plans for ‘gas Opec’

Nato advisers have warned the military alliance that it needs to guard against any attempt by Russia to set up an “Opec for gas” that would strengthen Moscow’s leverage over Europe.

A confidential study by Nato economics experts, sent to the ambassadors of its 26 member states last week, warned that Russia may be seeking to build a gas cartel including Algeria, Qatar, Libya, the countries of Central Asia and perhaps Iran.

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Last week, the International Energy Agency warned of “the possibility of major gas-exporting countries co-ordinating their investment and production plans in order to avoid surplus capacity and to keep gas prices up.”

I understand the IEA worrying about this - that's explicitly its job, and such an alliance could indeed have some consequences on energy prices and supply patterns of its member countries.

But NATO? A military organisation? How can it get involved in that topic? Surgical strikes against the Gazprom headquarters? All out war? Invasion of Algeria?

And the ever-depressing side note: if it is so fucking important not to depend on Russian gas, why don't we make the SLIGHTEST FUCKING EFFORT to use less gas? You know, by pushing energy savings. Or by pushing power companies to use other generation modes (wind, nuclear, etc...).

Nah. Let's go to war. It's smarter.


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The above article, nice'n'juicy, is on their front page, for maximum impact.

But they also print the following, mre dismissive article, in their inside pages.


The hurdles for Moscow on path to `gas cartel'

Concerns that Russia is trying to form a natural gas cartel along the lines of the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries may be misplaced, according to analysts and energy executives.

Despite the warning by Nato economists, it is far from certain that Moscow could persuade countries to join any such alliance. In many gas producing countries, the sector is far less-developed than their oil industries and needs greater input of foreign cash and expertise. Norway, Qatar, Nigeria, Trinidad and Tobago, Libya and even the much mooted Algeria would find it difficult to attract the huge sums of private-sector investment and know-how needed if the threat of future cutbacks under a cartel arrangement loomed.

If Russia managed to find participants, it would face considerable difficulty in creating a cartel along the lines of Opec because gas is traded very differently to oil. Gas is mainly priced on long-term contracts, often linked to the oil price. This makes manipulating prices by altering supply - in the way Opec does - far tougher.

Even for Moscow, playing such an adversarial game would be dangerous. Because domestic Russian prices are capped and Gazprom's customers are at present only in Europe, the Russian monopoly is at least as reliant on Europe as Europe is on Russia.

Nevertheless, there is a way Russia and major gas producers could - and are - substantially influencing future prices.

The energy industry is more worried about Russia's under-investment in the gas sector driving up prices than the possibility of a cartel doing so. If Moscow persuaded other countries to do the same, the problem would be compounded.

The International Energy Agency, the developed countries' energy watchdog, in a recent report, said: "Another source of uncertainty concerns the possibility of major gas exporting countries co-ordinating their investment and production plans in order to avoid surplus capacity and to keep gas prices up."

That article is a lot more reasonable, in that it makes a series of very real arguments:

  • gas chains are a lot tougher to build, and still require the expertise and coordination provided by the Western oil majors. It's not just the massive cost, but the requirement to simultaneously push several projects in different countries that is beyond the capacity of most countries;

  • linked to the above, gas contracts are a lot more rigid than oil contracts, and there is little flexibility for deviations, whether on price or volume. so market manipulation is indeed harder

  • the corollary is that the dependency is mutual. focusing on one side (like the alarmist front page article) or the other (like this more dismissive article) misses the big picture.

The fact remains that we are becoming increasingly dependent of the investment decisions (whether to do or to let do) in a small number of countries - and that begs the question of working on our demand, which is a lot easier to control.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 06:14:58 AM EST
We actually do need Gas Cartels: one of Producers; one of Consumers and (the one we DO have) one of Intermediaries - all members of (say) the International Gas Trade Association.

Producers would sell gas into a "gas pool" consisting of gas in storeage or transit, and also still in the ground. Investors (or Consumers hedging) would buy "Equity Shares" in this pool, which essentially gives an interest-free loan to the producer and an "un-geared" investment in natural gas.

You'd need commitments from producers and consumers to put gas into and out of the pool, but they really have little choice once they've built the infrastructure and financed it interest-free with Pool investment.

The current deficit-based financing structure is not actually necessary (credit intermediaries are obsolete) and similarly the fragmented liquidity and massive roll-over costs inherent in periodic "deficit-based" futures contracts (selling something you do not have) is no longer necessary either.

Sure, you won't get credit and trading intermediary Turkeys voting for Christmas, but one just MIGHT get Iran, Qatar,and Russia interested in such a model, partiuclarly if Norway led it.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 07:06:44 AM EST
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the warning by Nato economists ... [emphasis added]

How astonishing.  Economists employed by the military conclude military action is necessary.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 12:40:29 PM EST
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Strangely enough I had that one marked for comment as well ...

I'm beginning to build a scrap-book entitled "NATO - the New American auxilaries" to go with my other one entitled "US Diplomats - advocates for big US businesses".

NATO is a clear example of the dangers of leaving weapons lying around the house with no purpose.¡

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 06:17:04 AM EST
The fact that this lies so far outside the purview of NATO makes me wonder whether this whole thing is "about" NATO at all, or whether NATO is being used as a respectable vehicle for "sexed-up" intelligence originating somewhere else entirely.

Clearly a reality-based analysis would look a lot more like the inside-page report you quote.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 06:30:32 AM EST
NATO is no longer limited to the North Atlantic in it's reign of "peacekeeping." They went global in Afganistan, no?

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. If we only could realize that sharing will bring us back from mass suicide.
by Isis on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:59:52 AM EST
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Time to reignite the Cold War! America is on our side in the desperate fight for the freedom of our ...gas... ...stoves...
by Trond Ove on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 07:52:05 AM EST
What always confuses me is the fact military and their organisations, like NATO here, tend to voice statements that are political.
In our western democracy's, it are the political institutions who tell the military what to do or not.
When military or a military organisation start to define their own points of view without a dominant political backing or lead I find this frightening.
Where is the politician to make this clear?

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:05:34 AM EST
Politicians are just as frightening at telling the military what to do as the upper echelon of a military organization. Gee, look at Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld!!!!

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. If we only could realize that sharing will bring us back from mass suicide.
by Isis on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:58:19 AM EST
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It seems so obviously surprising NATO should produce such a report, that it's all the more surprising the FT doesn't address the question "why NATO?".

All they say is in that first sentence: the military alliance... needs to guard against....

In common parlance, that's scare talk.

Although there is disagreement over whether Russia could create any such cartel, the report highlights the deepening tensions between Western Europe and Moscow over energy security.

Deepening tensions we are constantly being warned about to the point where we may wonder if there isn't a deliberate effort to create them. This report may be no good, says the FT, but it serves to "highlight" what we're telling you.

Just when Poland blocks the EU on an agreement with Russia...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:15:45 AM EST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/14/8854/0167

Incorporating the comment above and some additional analysis.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:17:36 AM EST
You call the FT "the main European newspaper". Hmm.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:37:18 AM EST
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because it is, whether we like it or not, and because I did not want to provide too many opportunities to derail the thread.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:43:21 AM EST
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Because of who reads it, I presume. Not because of how many people read it, or (especially) because of who writes it.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:46:06 AM EST
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Suspect you noted the insouciance, mixed with a bit of unhealthy scepticism of your invocation of the prospect of war, of the thread over there.

The Nato angle, and the immediate tabling of war as a potential solution, on the pages, no less, of one of the pre-eminent organs of neo-liberalism and Capital, appears to have gone over the heads of many of your loyal readership outre-atlantique. With reason: it's in their interests for it to go right over most of their heads.

The point isn't really the (probably unlikely) prospect of war with Russia, the point is that such a possibility is being mooted in such a forum in so casual a manner.

I think this particular point underlines one made from a couple of people who were to become very important to one of the nations in question:

"Capitalism, formerly a liberator of nations, has now, in its imperialist stage, become the greatest oppressor of nations. It has developed the productive forces to such an extent that humanity must either pass over to socialism, or...witness armed conflicts of the 'great' nations for an artificial maintenance of capitalism by means of colonies, monopolies, privileges, and all sorts of national oppression."

Funny thing is how quickly the veneer pulls away from this upon the close of the industrial West's (and, in particular, America's) sucessful execution of the Second Cold War.

The imperialist stage has resumed, in earnest.

Not so funny, really.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 10:39:40 AM EST
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Sheesh, some of the comments over there remind me of the "we don't want to go to war with Iraq, but Saddam is an evil dicator and yada yada yada."  Fortunately, I don't think they want to go to war with Russia, but when are they going to learn the lesson that maybe just maybe the US isn't the arsenal of democracy we'd like to think. Gah.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:48:53 AM EST
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Another example of the prevalence of the:

We don't want to do X
but Y
therefore we should pound their {Brown/Red/Black} flesh back into the ground from whence it sprang.

modes Baculum [modes, Latin, "mode that affirms;" Baculum, Latin, "violence"] argument.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 01:11:43 PM EST
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The US is just an arsenal, that's all.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. If we only could realize that sharing will bring us back from mass suicide.
by Isis on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 01:19:20 PM EST
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With more global warming reports, like the one out in this week's The New Yorker, and last week's report of the quadrupling of CO2 burden from 2000 to 2005, the price of burning carbon fuels will become prohibitive, despite their abundance. WE CAN'T MAKE MORE CO2! My suspicion is that the value of hydrocarbon commodities and their geostrategic value will decrease precisely because they are carbon dioxide producing resources.

Not to say there will be a complete devaluation, but the value will be less so, and cartels like the one proposed above will become relatively powerless, more like an agricultural trading bloc.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. If we only could realize that sharing will bring us back from mass suicide.

by Isis on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 08:54:10 AM EST
We SHOULDN'T, which is not the same as we can't, or we won't.

We will, unfortunately enough, because we'll be told it's that or freeze in the dark, and we'll all hope that the people that die from climate change are mostly in the third world.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 09:09:10 AM EST
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Moreover, we'll burn more coal. Or at least the US will. All you have to do is look at this chart (click for bigger)

I don't know what The EU will be doing, freezing in the dark I suppose.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 09:34:49 AM EST
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Maybe it's time we start an "end-of-days" lefty commune and buy some coastal land somewhere like Labrador (maybe this Moravian monestary) or the South-west coast of Greenland...

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:17:27 AM EST
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I call it ETopia.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:26:51 AM EST
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I'd pay good money for a series of crime novels based in ETopia. I don't know why.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:34:57 AM EST
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Maybe I should write a series of crime diaries based in ETopia. Like good science-fiction, the plot is just an excuse to discuss the technological/sociological setting.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:48:51 AM EST
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"It was Sven in the bio-methane production plant with the scythe."
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:53:11 AM EST
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What was he doing scrubbing Nomad's prototype toilet with Dodo's farm implements?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:56:46 AM EST
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Looking for evidence of emergent activities?  


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 12:51:54 PM EST
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I think Brattahlíð qualifies as Europe, man.

Bet land is cheap there. But probably the 0.3 ha/head isn't applicable there...

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 11:36:00 AM EST
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Insofar as there is any truth to the proposition that Russia might be resurrecting a series of international alliances with a view towards resource control, one ongoing side effect of the continuing friction between Russia and the "West" might be to de-connect "real socialism" (ie, that practised in the Eastern Bloc prior to the 1990's) from the expansionary, imperialist tendancies Americans in particular ascribed to it.

Not so much socialism as natural Russian national interests at play here, after all, might the argument go.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 10:49:53 AM EST
Well, any intelligence service is mostly analysts these days, and oh so many of them with PhD's in different subjects, including econ. But this one, or rather the fact that it was leaked with consequent publication on the front page of FT, forces me to think that this is an outcome of some inside struggle. People who desperately need Cold War II are using propaganda very well, I'm afraid...
by Sargon on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 01:36:55 PM EST
Sounds about right.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 01:38:24 PM EST
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Smarter? No, and it's not cheaper either.

Is there any possibility that St Louis City and County (two seperate entitiies, I'm afraid) can petition for EU membership?

We really do have more in common with you than the rest of our state

Kevin

by kevinearllynch (mr_kevinlynch@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 04:10:02 PM EST
Too bad the about that whole Louisiana Purchase; if St. Louis had remained a French colony you may very well have been eligible for EU membership. ;)

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Tue Nov 14th, 2006 at 07:32:59 PM EST
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