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Iraq is FUBAR, blame the Germans and the French

by oldfrog Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 03:53:27 AM EST

Another of those op-eds in the Washington Post:

'Old Europe' Can Gloat, but Then What?

By Anne Applebaum
Tuesday, December 19, 2006; Page A29

BERLIN -- On the day James Baker's Iraq report was published, I gritted my teeth and waited for the well-earned, long-awaited, Franco-German "Old Europe" gloat to begin. I didn't wait long. "America Faces Up to the Iraq Disaster" read a headline in Der Spiegel. In the patronizing tones of a senior doctor, Le Monde diagnosed the "political feverishness" gripping Washington in Baker's wake. Suddeutsche Zeitung said the report "stripped Bush of his authority," although Le Figaro opined that nothing Baker proposed could improve the "catastrophic state" of Iraq anyway.

And then, for two weeks . . . silence. If there are politicians, academics or journalists anywhere in Germany and France who have better ideas about how to improve the catastrophic state of Iraq, they aren't speaking very loudly. There is no question that America's credibility has been undermined by the Iraq war, in "Old Europe" as everywhere else. There is no question that America's reputation for competence has been destroyed. But that doesn't mean there are dozens of eager candidates, or even one eager candidate, clamoring to replace us.

With some exceptions, the weird reality is that most European governments, whatever their original views on the war, are either officially or unofficially opposed to an immediate U.S. withdrawal: Chaos might ensue. And the chaos would be a lot closer to Europe than to North America. Most European governments, officially or unofficially, are also now worried that the next American president will retreat from world politics or become "isolationist."


Ultimately the only way for the West to deal with the new threats posed by a disintegrating Iraq, a resurgent Iran and a shattered Middle East is through a unified policy -- an alliance whose members are not easily played off against one another -- and a joint strategy.

Joyeux Noel and Glückliches Neujahr to you all.


Besides the fact that nobody here is "gloating" (unless if you consider that depicting the factual US failure is innapropriate), the op-ed contains a blatant "untruth" that is to say that France is
"removing its troops from Afghanistan altogether".

Fact is that only 200 special forces devoted to the hunt of OBL are removed (they don't fill any function longer since he is probably in Pakistan and are probably worn out after 5 years of presence in an absolutely hostile environment). In reality France is maintening its presence (2000 men, 1000 on the ground and 1000 at sea) with INCREASED air support to close combat, one of the few nations besides the US and the UK able to do so.

This editorial is nothing but a piece of crap and sadly representative of a culture unable to assess its own mistakes which are so blatant both militarily and politically. It's so much easier to blame others.

To rephrase slightly:
We shattered it into a thousand pieces. Now, how are YOU going to fix it you smelly gloating European metrosexuals wankers? Eh? How? Where are your smart ideas? You were so smart with your talk of not invading three years ago.

It's the George W. Bush scheme for dealing with problems when you get in too deep: "Daddy! Daddy! Bail me out!".  

Sometimes your problems are too deep for anyone to help. And when an empire destroys its own power, the vassals generally aren't in a rush to help out.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 04:06:42 AM EST
nice piece of Neocons-like crap.

i share with you a comment i just read on WP :

"Could someone give this president a BJ so there would be grounds for impeachment"

i love it ;-)

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 04:20:38 AM EST
Your title is just my thought: what part of FUBAR can Applebaum not understand?

(BTW, even if I don't think of them as workable, there have been proposals, also shown on ET.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 04:27:08 AM EST
Of course, she only has to say that Le Monde uses patronising language for it to be true. Just hammer away at the usual clichés, right, Applebaum?

So here's some elitist, effete European talk from me:

We are not going to mend what you broke.

You doesn't just mean the Bush administration. It includes crap-peddling neo-con pundits like you, Applebaum, who hold forth from the bully pulpit of the Wapo op-ed page. You have had more than your fair share to say in support of the lies and arm-twisting and the useless, murderous foreign policy this administration has "implemented". Fuck off and die.

Sorry to be patronising.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 05:37:20 AM EST

Nice touch.  But might it be too subtle?  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 03:36:26 PM EST
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Well, you know, that's us condescending Europeans ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 22nd, 2006 at 12:19:51 PM EST
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Just as an fyi, Applebaum's husband, Radek Sikorski, is the Polish minister of defense. Sikorski is if anything even more hardcore neo-con than his wife. And as an additional tidbit, when Sikorski went to Afghanistan as a journalist back in the eighties he ended up joining up with the mujaheddin.

fun facts for the day

by MarekNYC on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 11:16:27 AM EST
tried to sell them helicopters ? just kidding
by oldfrog on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 11:34:38 AM EST
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Can't add anything to what has been said, except to suggest that the ole Post needs a healthy dose of reality for its editorial page.

When I was growing up, the Post was considered to be a liberal paper.  Maybe it's just been masquerading as a Washington establishment paper all along.  

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 12:37:41 PM EST
.. he/she really nails it..


So I have this tree in my backyard, and I decide I need to prune some branches. But Anne, who has some experience pruning trees, points out that I'm going about it all wrong. "Brendan," she says, "Don't saw off that enormous branch over your stained glass skylight. Not only will the falling branch break the glass, but you're sitting on the branch itself, and by sawing it off, you're gonna fall like 50 feet and break your leg."

"Whatever, CuntFace McGee," I say. "CuntFace McGee, you don't know anything. You know why? Because you have a face that looks like your cunt! So back off bitch!" (Not that I would ever talk like that). And I go along merrily on my way, sawing off branches. Then disaster hits: just like my neighbor warned, the branch crashes into my skylight, I go plummeting into a garbage can, and break my leg.

"AAAAGHHHH! My leg, my leg!," I yell. "Hey CuntFace, come help me out! I'm stuck in a garbage can with a broken leg, help me out CuntFace!"

or....The US fucked everything up, but you have to fix it. Cuntface.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 01:48:54 PM EST
In a way I am glad to see NATO and generally western foreign policy going down the drain...because it was and it's still wrong. Now it's obvious on so many levels.
It's just painful that it has to take so many lives and destructions...and it goes "on your soul"...
Sorry guys...but most of all I feel sorry for those who had to pay highest price...in lives and destructions and amongst them I count all of the people of ex-YU too...cause everything that happened (and will happen again in future) was possible because your policy was wrong. And do not fool your self you were and you are in charge...
Things have their own way to correct them selves. Let's be alive ( as long as  possible , haha) and see what will happen ...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 11:00:22 PM EST
that WaPo has that comment window at the bottom of the page.  Snark freely!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 02:15:00 PM EST
There are 8 pages of comments and all that I scanned were AGAINST Applebaum!  A lot say "you brake, you buy it" and it kind of restores my hope in US people.  ET criticism of US seems very mild compared to those posts.

If I were Anne, I´d worry about my next paycheck.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 02:37:24 PM EST
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