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by Jerome a Paris Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:43:43 PM EST

What's on your mind tonight?


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Anything that was on my mind is now gone, replaced with -- what is that picture?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:51:27 PM EST
Jinx!
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:52:09 PM EST
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umm mm mmf!!!!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:56:19 PM EST
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OK, you can talk, but you owe me a Coke...
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:51:27 PM EST
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whew!  That's a relief.  I was about to break the jinx and reply to Fran.  Glad I dodged that bullet...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:00:38 PM EST
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Yes, stunning picture. But what does jinx mean - sorry if this takes the fun out of the joke. :-)
by Fran on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:41:29 PM EST
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It's sort of a kids' game.  When two people say the same thing at the same time, the first one to shout "JINX!" afterward wins, and the other person is "jinxed," which means he or she can't talk until released by the jinxer.

Now that I've actually had to describe that to someone, I realize how incredibly silly it is.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:50:50 PM EST
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Thanks, never heard this before - well learned something new today and can go to sleep now. :-) Silly but fun - great how children can have fun with such simple games.
by Fran on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:54:31 PM EST
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by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:33:25 PM EST
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Japanese would say, this is Fuji Mount.
by das monde on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 08:21:28 PM EST
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BINGO!!! Why have I not thought of this?

Here a page of the photo identifíing it a Fuji, and below another photo on which the snow cover is of the same size and you'll recognise the same ravine pattern, bumps, and vegetation:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:06:32 AM EST
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There is probably no other so "perfect" big mountain cone on the Earth :-)
by das monde on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 07:35:37 PM EST
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I had the same first thought too, as I used to live there and there used to be these clouds all the tme...and it looks similar...but maybe its another mountain??

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:07:17 AM EST
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See above :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:08:10 AM EST
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Where is that photo from?  It's spectacular.

What's on my mind?  Well, I truly despise V8 juice, but I've been forcing myself to drink a glass a day because I don't think I eat enough vegetables here.

What I discovered tonight, and I don't know why it took me this long, is that I enjoy it a lot more when it's spiked with vodka.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:51:43 PM EST
Arent you offending loads of Russians, writing about vodka like this (i.e. mixed with something else)?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:54:53 PM EST
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But Stormy's health is at stake.  Surely they'll understand.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:57:11 PM EST
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Actually, I think the Russians would be thrilled to hear that vodka is part of someone's health regimen.

I'm using my college degree to make bagels.
by daveonabike (DaveInACar<at>yahoo<dot>com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:39:38 PM EST
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Isn't vodka part of everyone's health regimen?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:54:10 PM EST
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Well, I hate to admit it but recently vodka has been edged out of my health regimen in favour of something less... er... well, less clear I guess. Rum!
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:05:35 PM EST
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I was never a big vodka drinker.  I'm with Metatone on this one, but I stick with rum and coke.  I've got too weak a stomach to drink straight hard liquor.  I've heard vodka and V8 mix well, though.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 08:56:34 PM EST
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They'd be really offended if they knew I was putting good vodka in my vegetable juice...
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:53:39 PM EST
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Why? You need good vodka to make good vodka juice.
by Fran on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:55:48 PM EST
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There's such a thing as _good_ vodka?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 06:02:38 PM EST
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I feel deeply offended.)  On the other it sounds like you feel about vodka the way I feel about beer or straight tequila (mixed it's fine).  If you haven't done so already you should try a potato vodka - it is softer and has a slight hint of sweetness to it.
by MarekNYC on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 06:08:16 PM EST
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Nah, it's pure ignorance. I need to spend some time in a vodka drinking culture being educated.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:33:28 AM EST
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I like it with Worcestershire sauce and a dash of pepper.  The V8 juice, that is.

We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:02:29 PM EST
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And tequila in place of the vodka.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:32:47 AM EST
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Yes!! Especially good Mexican tequila, not the cheap stuff...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:05:59 AM EST
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I'm not sure I'd put the good stuff in a Bloody Maria.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:08:03 AM EST
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All of this assumes that one can obtain tequila of any sort... which I can't, at least not now.  But I will be passing through an airport soon... hmmm.  I usually use my duty-free allowance to buy good whiskey or good wine, though.  Which I vastly prefer to tequila.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:50:33 AM EST
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Ah, all you filthy infidels... why can't you drink fruit juices? They taste much better, won't make your breath inflammable, and can be just as expensive...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:54:05 AM EST
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Um, no, they can't.  Fruit is cheap here!  But booze... see below.

My first night in town, I went out with friends and ran up a $100 bar bill without even getting drunk.  I guess you could do that easily enough in New York, but it was a helluva shock to me, having moved here from the Land of Practically Free Booze...

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:50:10 PM EST
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Hmm, as far I know, you should be able to get Tequila somewhere around where you are...?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 10:34:48 AM EST
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Sure, if I want to either be poisoned by locally made pseudo-tequila, or I want to pay $400 a bottle for the real thing...

I forget whether the import duty on alcohol is 2000 percent or 3000 percent, but whatever, it's a lot.

Actually, I have yet to find anywhere other than the duty-free where you can buy a bottle of non-Egyptian-made alcohol.  You can buy practically anything you want by the shot in many restaurants and bars, but the drinks stores I know of only sell Egyptian-made beer and wine by the bottle.

That's why at a lot of more upscale restaurants, people bring their own booze, most of which is either smuggled in or bought in duty-free.  There's often a guy whose entire job is keeping the bottles straight and making sure the right people get drinks from the right bottle.  At the one place I inquired about doing this, they said the corkage charge was about US$30.

You can get a bottle of Egyptian-made knockoff spirits, like "Johnny Wadie" whiskey.  (I'm told there's also a "Smurfnov" vodka, but I haven't seen it myself & can't verify its amusing exisence.)  But sometimes the knockoff stuff is cut with scary things and might kill you or blind you.  I will not touch it.

Beer and wine are OK cuz they're made here (and are thus affordable) and won't kill you.  The wine's not good, but they recently started making a red out of imported South African grapes, and it's much more drinkable than the other stuff.

Much more than you wanted to know, I'm sure.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:46:16 PM EST
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Thanks for the insight, it just shows how the people you know alter your perception of life in a place. I have an Egyptian ex-colleague, he knew all the places to get things in Cairo (clearly not entirely above board, since he seemed to have a source for various foreign spirits.) I've sent him an email, we'll see if has any useful tips.

If you have a camera you should definitely document Smurfnov when you find it and post it here! :-)

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:53:50 PM EST
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That. Would. Be. Awesome.

I have a few Egyptian friends who drink, and even they can't tell me where to buy anything but beer and wine.

Although now that you mention it, there is one guy I haven't asked, and I bet he'd know.  Hmmm.

I am definitely on the lookout for Smurfnov, with my excellent cellphone cam, which takes better pictures than some real cameras I've had....

FYI, Egypt won the semi.  The city goes wild!  There's a big party in the streets again, and they have a lot more drums this time.  I don't think the traffic in the square has budged for the last half-hour.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 03:01:14 PM EST
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Hehehe, they are only showing highlights here tonight and I had carefully not looked at the score... lol

I bet that is a monster party!

So, Egypt - Ivory Coast in the final!

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 03:06:30 PM EST
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SORRY!  Didn't mean to spoil it!
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:22:51 PM EST
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Hehe, it's my own fault. I had an instinct that it would get a mention here, but I enjoy the conversations too much to avoid it...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 04:26:11 AM EST
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And a well made margarita is very hard to beat as a drink, in my book...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:08:26 AM EST
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You will get tennis elbow if you shake the V8 enough to keep the sludge off the bottom...
by asdf on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 10:12:12 PM EST
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Kamchatka or Alaska?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:00:32 PM EST
Augustine Volcano, Alaska?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:02:47 PM EST
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Shall remain a secret. Apparent origin is this posting at Flickr. But  you'll find even more spectacular UFO clouds (or with their oofficial name, lentucular clouds) here. (Myself, I can count myself lucky of having seen one with my own eyes above Matterhorn mountain near Zermatt/Switzerland.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:48:54 PM EST
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Great pictures - nature is art isn't she?
by Fran on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:03:41 PM EST
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How come they didn't see all these pictures of so-called lenticular clouds in fact show different appearances of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:08:17 PM EST
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And don't even think caricaturing our holy FSM, or my wrath will have no limits...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:15:51 PM EST
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Science to the rescue, if one is needed:

Lenticular clouds form from air that is moist enough to be on the verge of forming cloud droplets. Wind takes the air over a mountain; the air rises as it goes over; its pressure drops as it rises; the resulting expansion cools the air; and droplets condense: there's your cloud. This happens in reverse on the downwind side.

I've also heard the theory that lenticular clouds are beings manifesting themselves from another dimension. This seems lacking in detail, somehow.

Either way, this is the most striking picture of a lenticular cloud that I've seen. Cool!

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.

by technopolitical on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 10:58:15 PM EST
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Ahhh. Beautiful. After the storm the calm cloudy volcano.

But the day is not over here. Got to finish the day's quota of to do items. Bye for now.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:17:27 PM EST
World's largest pizza spun for publicity photo?

Designer revives "Chinese peasant hat" for this year's fashion idol mountains?

There's a joke in here somewhere about mushroom clouds/nukular testing, but I leave it to someone else to find the right zing.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:24:15 PM EST
From Yahoo News:


AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Amsterdam's new street signs banning cannabis smoking in parts of the city have sparked global interest.

The sign shows a red circle around a fat cannabis joint in a cloud of smoke sparked by white marijuana leaves. It has been installed at one square and surrounding streets in Amsterdam where young cannabis smokers are a nuisance (www.baarsjes.amsterdam.nl).

Soon after the installation on February 1, the first signs were stolen after which the Amsterdam council of De Baarsjes decided it would start selling what it believes is the world's first anti-cannabis road sign.

Over 400 consumers have approached the council to buy one of the "no joints" signs for 90 euros ($108), excluding shipping, a spokesman said.

"About 75 percent of the requests come from the United States," he said, adding interest is also coming from Singapore, Australia, Scandinavian countries and Germany.

The profits will be donated to a charitable cause that has yet to be chosen.

It is legal to own and use small quantities of soft drugs in the Netherlands whose relaxed position on the issue has brought it into conflict with other European countries like France which claims the Dutch undermine the global fight against drugs.

The Netherlands: proud to be your country's guide...

by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:28:13 PM EST
I think Fran had this up the other day and I noticed that the signs were for sale for E90, but the fine for stealing one was E50.  I thought they were trying to discourage stealing?!?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:45:29 PM EST
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The Picture ?   That's Nomad, smoking a joint....

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:36:51 PM EST
Yeah, but must be in way over his head.
by Fran on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 04:38:48 PM EST
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You're from Belgium, right?

kcurie, observe a real-life example of what I was talking about this morning...

Elco, if you've no clue, it was in the vein that the Dutch and our lovely neighbours are making fun of each other and not attacking each other embassies in response.

by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:03:41 PM EST
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Ah, you just let football fans ruin your stadiums...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:08:39 PM EST
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Sorry DoDo ,  I now nothing about football because I am allergic for crowds in concrete cages with huge fences and police all around...


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:32:12 PM EST
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Yes, well, they need some sort of pastime, don't they? At least it beats embassies.

Some other (sick?) Dutch invention to poke fun at the Germans: The new outfit for the World Championship.

Don't mention the war...

by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:12:00 PM EST
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Ewww...

That's worse than the big sheet with the words "Ik wil m'n fiets terug".

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--

by tzt (tzt) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:31:06 PM EST
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Belgium ?   That's a very surrealistic concept.....

I'm Flemish and also European...

BTW....around here we love Dutch joints...

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:12:41 PM EST
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See, Nomad? Belgium and Spain have more in common than you thought.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:15:22 PM EST
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Hell, if people can connect through marijuana practically every nation has something in common with the Lowlands.

Good gravy, the times I've been asked to direct people to a coffeeshop. And for your information: many were from Spain. There was a time I was so fed up with being asked, I purposefully gave directions that brough them to the Central Museum instead.

by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:17:33 PM EST
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No, the bit about Belgium being surrealistic, and him/her being Flemish and European.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 04:08:15 AM EST
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You're from Belgium, right?

Why do Belgians have a wiper both inside and outside of their car's windscreen?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:17:02 PM EST
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I'm curious....

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:23:16 PM EST
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I don't dare to answer that... I leave it to Nomad :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:28:20 PM EST
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Oh, I'm out. Let's have it.
by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:06:22 PM EST
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thats Ostfriesen not Belgian

see
http://www.fun-side.de/witze/ostfriesen2.htm
joke 51

by PeWi on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:04:38 PM EST
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Thanks for this one.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:13:14 PM EST
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Deep in one of the blasphemy threads, Migeru posted some Escher drawings:

Who will have the courage to do some nice Escher blogging?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 06:38:06 PM EST
I'll bite. That way I'll have something non-offensive to say each week.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 04:12:35 AM EST
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Excellent!

I need to read Gödel, Escher, Bach again. That was one of the most amazing books I ever read. Actually, now that I think of it, it should go into my 7x7 lists...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 04:23:36 AM EST
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Come to think of it, without my Taschen art books or a scanner I'm going to be hard-pressed gathering pictures, so others can still pitch in.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:24:46 AM EST
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First I was stunned by the sheer beauty of the picture.  And then I got lost in trying to think of the physics that produced that cloud.  Between the stunning beauty and the intriguing physics, my workday pretty much came to a halt.  

We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:05:44 PM EST
Could some kind soul help the Frenchily challenged and please translate:

Sois mon frere ou je te tue

for me?  

Google makes this to mean: "Would be my brother or I kill to you"

Babel Fish, on the other hand, takes this to mean: "Would be my brother or I kill to you"

Somehow, I don't think so.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:09:40 PM EST
"Be my brother or I'll kill you"

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:14:43 PM EST
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Thank You.

It was used several times in a biography of Alexander the Great I've just finished.  Once in a passage that I wanted to be sure I understood.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:19:49 PM EST
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Which book was that, if I may ask? I'm an avid fan of Alexander the Great, but have too little books on him.
by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:43:37 PM EST
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Alexander of Macedon 356-323 B.C.: A Historical Biography by Peter Green.

Extremely interesting take on good ol' Alex.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 08:03:35 PM EST
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Good ol' enigmatic Alex. Thanks for that, I'll have a peek whether a decent book shop around here has it on the shelf.

Should ET have a weekly diary on books? Or is that too Oprah?

by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 08:31:49 PM EST
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Green's thesis is Alex was a power-crazed, vicious, murdering, meglomaniac who conquered where ever he went because he could.  (Synopsis by ATinNM  :-)

The above book is a unrevised 1991 reprint of a limited release original pub'ed in 1973(?).  In the new Introduction Prof. Green said he was going to write another book on Alexander updating his argument and adding new materials.  I haven't looked to see if he carried out his promise.  This is mentioned only to let you know you may be looking for 'damaged goods,' in the sense Green may no longer hold the positions Green took.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 08:54:56 PM EST
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Well, if ATinNM's synopsis stands for anything, that was  the idea I had about Alexander the Great. Have you seen the BBC documentary by Micheal Wood, "In the footsteps of Alexander the Great"? Wood also wrote a book on it, which was OK, I guess.
by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 09:14:16 PM EST
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And almost certainly to nobody else but ...

I had two questions: one the meaning of the phrase, what, if any, historical or cultural resonance the phrase would invoke.

If I had looked for the historical resonance first I would have found not only a grammatical translation of  "Sois mon frere ou je te tue" but also it was uttered by Sébastien Roch Nicolas Chamfort as a splendid little piece of snark during the French Revolution, viz.

French writer and conversationalist, whose maxims became popular bywords during the French Revolution.

Shocked by the excess of the Reign of Terror, Chamfort came into conflict with Marat, the editor of L'Ami du Peuple, and Robespierre, one of the leading figures of the revolution. "Be my brother, or I will you" (Sois mon frère ou je te tue), was his version of the revolutionary watchword, "Fraternity or Death", painted on all walls.

Even though he was a Jacobite

In 1793 Chamfort and some other librarians were denounced by another library employee as "sly aristocrats" and "false patriots". Chamfort was arrested and taken with most of his employees to the Madelonettes prison, known for its unhygienic conditions, vermin, and poor food, and then released. The forty-eight hour prison stint was enough for Chamfort and he resigned from his post. His former co-director Carra was executed.

Damn librarians.  Can't ever trust 'em.  

When Chamfort was again threatened with imprisonment in November 1793, he attempted suicide. He first shot himself in the head and blew out his right eye, and then he tried to cut his throat, but the blade slipped. In January 1794 Chamfort was given complete freedom by the Committee of Public Safety. The bullet which had shattered his nasal wall remained in his head. After the festering ceased, Chamfort started to translate Greek epigrams and write poetry. "I feel livelier than ever," he said, "what a pity that I no longer care about living."

Alas he never fully recovered and after selling most of his possessions including his bathtub.  (His bathtub?)  Chamfort eventually died on April 13, 1794.

And then somebody stole some of his manuscripts.

********************************** **

So.

If only I had researched my second question first I would have never asked the question on EuroTrib - that Jerome so kindly answered - and then I would have never have written this post and you would live your whole life in bliss sans knowledge of Sébastien Roch Nicolas Chamfort.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 07:59:08 PM EST
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...would that have left us?

Yes, in ignorance. Again. I salute you. What an amazing tale.

Moral of the story: don't ever trust librarians. Even when they are orang-utans. </hidden Terry Pratchett references>

by Nomad on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 08:38:43 PM EST
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Never call the librarian of Unseen University an orangutan. He hates that. Anyway, nobody notices. He's just the Librarian.
by Francois in Paris on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 09:18:20 PM EST
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There's a British guy in the BBC World Service studio right now who's seriously arguing that the Danish cartoonists and editors must be handed over to a Sharia court and sentenced to death for their crime against Islam.

The world's northernmost desert wind.
by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 09:28:29 PM EST
See? Assholes everywhere.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:36:02 AM EST
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But I don't want to see assholes everywhere -- am I allowed to close my eyes?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 02:47:34 AM EST
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This should be a "mountain clouds" thread. Here's one taken in the Huerfano area of southern Colorado...

Lots more at http://www.airphotona.com/image.asp?imageid=636

by asdf on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 10:17:49 PM EST


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