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John Bolton is Lying about Iran's Nukes

by Steven D Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 01:17:01 PM EST

Buried within this story about UN Security Council disagreements over the approach to take regarding Iran was this boldfaced lie by Mr. Bolton:

U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said his government's patience with negotiations is running out.

He said Iran used the time involved in the talks with France, Germany and Britain to enrich enough uranium to produce nuclear weapons.

"That is why our negotiating process will not be indefinite," Bolton said.

Let me be real clear about this.  The claim by Bolton that Iran has enriched enough uranium to make a bomb is demonstrably false, and Bolton knows it.  How do I know this?  Follow me below the fold and I'll tell you . . .


To begin, let me remind you that Iran only started enriching uranium with a 10-20 centrifuge cascade back in February.  What does that mean?  Well, according to arms control expert David Albright, it means that there is no chance Iran can produce enough enriched uranium to make atomic weapons because you need thousands of centrifuges carefully aligned in the proper order to make enough enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon program:

[Interviewer, BERNARD GWERTZMAN of the Council of Foreign Relations:]  Talk to me again about centrifuges. Are these big things? How many centrifuges do you need to make nuclear weapons?

[David Albright:] Well, there are many types of centrifuges. And the ones [i.e., centrifuges] that Iran (have) been building and deploying (have) been at Natanz and [are] what have come to be called the P-1. The P-1 is actually a Dutch design originally, I don't know, two meters high, 100 millimeters in diameter; aluminum is the rotor material, it doesn't spin that fast, it has some problems in it, it's actually kind of hard to learn how to operate.

Each centrifuge doesn't really do that much. It just doesn't enrich that much and it can't process that much uranium in a year. So you start connecting them together, both to increase the amount of enrichment, and to increase the amount of uranium that you can push through and to come out as enriched uranium. So if Iran right now wants to run a 164-machine cascade, they won't really make much material.

In the end centrifuges are rather precious to the Iranians. And so you don't want to break too many of them. If they wanted to make enough enriched uranium for a bomb program, they could get by with 1,500 centrifuges operated in cascades, and that would give them enough highly enriched uranium for about one bomb a year. If they wanted to make enough to fuel the Bushehr reactor [being built for Iran by the Russians], they would need about 50,000 operating centrifuges, of enriched uranium.

Some have placed the number of centrifuges Iran would need for a bomb program as high as 3000 or more.  In addition, as Albright points out, Iran still has significant hurdles to overcome just to get the centrifuges it does have operating sufficiently to enrich even small quantities of uranium.

By the way, just who is this David Albright and why should we trust his word over that of John Bolton?  Well he's  . . .

. . . president of the Institute for Science and International Security and a former weapons inspector for the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) . . .

You can find a link to the Insititute for Science and International Security HERE.  More information regarding Albright's qualifications and resume can be found HERE.  The short version: he's a physicist who has taught at George Mason University and Princeton, from 1992-1997 he served with the IAEA action team tasked with analysing documets pertinent to Iraq's nuclear weapons program, and in 1996 he became the first non-governmental inspector of the Iraqi nuclear program.

He was also the person who first identified that the Bush administration's claim (reported in a story published in the New York Times under David Sanger's byline) that computer files obtained through covert means showed that Iran had the design for a nuclear warhead that could be placed on a missile was <strike>complete and utter bullshit</strike> clearly false:

The November 13, 2005 New York Times article "Relying on Computer, US Seeks to Prove Iran's Nuclear Aims" has a deep and misleading flaw. William J. Broad and David E. Sanger repeatedly characterize the contents of computer files as containing information about a nuclear warhead design when the information actually describes a reentry vehicle for a missile. This distinction is not minor, and Broad should understand the difference between the two objects, particularly when the information does not contain any words such as nuclear or nuclear warhead. The "black box" carried by the re-entry vehicle may appear to be a nuclear warhead, but the documents do not state what the warhead is. In addition, much of what Broad and Sanger report has been reported elsewhere, including the important information about "a sphere of detonators meant to ignite conventional explosives"(see Agence France Press article by Michael Adler on October 9, 2005). These earlier and more accurate articles did not confuse a nuclear warhead with a reentry vehicle.

By replacing warhead with re-entry vehicle throughout the article, the reasons for a healthy skepticism would also become more understandable. For example, a key question becomes much more clear, namely whether this work was initiated by an Iranian missile team on its own, or whether this work was ordered by Iran's political leadership as part of a concerted nuclear weapons effort? Another important question that is sidestepped by the misleading use of warhead in the article is whether Iran can build the relatively small nuclear warhead able to fit into the triconic re-entry vehicle apparent in photos of a 2004 flight test. Based on publicly available photos of the 2004 test launch, the nuclear warhead would require a diameter of about 600 millimeters. Achieving such a diameter would be challenging for Iran. For example, the diameter of the warhead in the design provided to Libya (and perhaps to Iran) by A.Q. Khan was about 900 millimeters. A legitimate question is wheth er Iran could successfully build such a small nuclear warhead without outside help.

I think David Albright knows what he's talking about when it comes to Iran's nuclear program far more than Mr. Bolton does, don't you?

Now I know that the wingnuts out there are going to claim that just because Iran's known nuclear facilities do not contain enough centrifuges to produce enough enriched uranium for nuclear weapons doesn't mean that Iran doesn't have a "secret program" where it has been hard at work producing enriched uranium with thousands of centrifuges that no one knows about.  In response to this rank speculation posing as a legitimate argument, let me make three points.

First, if true, why would Iran choose to openly begin enriching uranium on a much smaller scale at its nuclear facility in Narantz, a facility which has been regularly subject to IAEA inspections under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty protocols?  What purpose would that serve?  Far better to keep its nculear program hidden from foreign inspections than to open up a Pandora's box of international scrutiny regarding its nuclear intentions.  Announcing their intent to enrich uranium, even on this small, militarily insignificant scale, has already incurred the real risk of an attack on its facilities by Israel and/or the United States in response.

Far better for them to lay back in the weeds and wait until they have successfully tested a nuclear device before announcing a plan to enrich uranium, don't you think?  In other words, if Iran has a secret program which has produced enough enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon, what possible reason would it have for announcing that it is starting up a small scale research project to do the exact same thing Bolton claims it has been doing secretly on a much larger scale?  It simply makes no damn sense.

Second, if Iran has already produced enough weapons grade uranium to make a bomb, the US wouldn't be taking this hardline diplomatic approach, one almost guaranteed to lead to a military confrontation.  How do I know this?  That's easy.  All one has to do is look at the case of North Korea.  Not once in the Bush administration's confrontation with that small impoverished Marxist dictatorship did the Bush administration used rhetoric 1/10th as inflammatory has it does with Iran on a regular basis.  Nor did Bush end up taking the matter to the United Nations.  Instead he pursued the diplomatic track with his allies and partners in the region, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea.  Why? Because he was convinced that North Korea already had nuclear weapons and he was unwilling to risk their use against our forces, or against civillian targets, in any potential showdown with the North Korean military.

If Iran has enough nuclear material to make a bomb, or, to be more precise, Bush and Bolton really believe that it does, they would not have pushed to refer this matter to the United Nations, nor would they have cut off Russia's nascent diplomatic efforts to seek a compromise through direct negotiations with Iran, as they so cavilierly did the other day.  

If there's one thing we know, Bush is a bully.  He doesn't like to pick on anyone who has the wherewithal to do serious injury to our military forces.  His completely different "solutions" to the problems posed by Iraq and North Korea clearly demonstrate that.  Iraq was weak miltarily so we invaded it with impunity despite all the dangerous talk of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.  North Korea, on the other hand, had formidible armed forces, and atomic weapons.  He pursued diplomacy in that case, Bolton's occasional blustering to the contrary.

Third, we know that Bush (and Bolton) are getting their so-called intelligence about Iran's nuclear weapons program from some highly dubious sources.  One of them is the MEK, a marxist oriented terrorist organization bent on overthrowing the current regime in Iran:

MEK has long been controversial because of its history of violent attacks in Iran, its relationship with Saddam's regime and its background as a quasi-religious, quasi-Marxist radical resistance group founded in the era of the late Iranian shah. In 1997, the Clinton administration put MEK on the State Department's list of foreign terrorist groups. [...]

Despite the group's notoriety, Bush himself cited purported intelligence gathered by MEK as evidence of the Iranian regime's rapidly accelerating nuclear ambitions. At a March 16 press conference, Bush said Iran's hidden nuclear program had been discovered not because of international inspections but "because a dissident group pointed it out to the world." White House aides acknowledged later that the dissident group cited by the president is the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), one of the MEK front groups added to the State Department list two years ago.

Other exiled Iranian dissident groups with an agenda of regime change also have provided information regarding Iran's "secret nuclear weapons program" to the Bush administration of a highly questionable nature.  As we know, Bush, Cheney and others in their foreign policy team used questionable intelligence of this sort (the name Chalabi ring any bells?) to justify the invasion of Iraq in 2003.  In short, they don't have a particulary good track record when it comes to claims that oil rich countries they don't happen to like in the Middle East are engaged in obtaining nuclear weapons.  Nothing they have come forward so far with respect to Iran gives me any confidence that this time they have "got it right."

So don't believe Mr Bolton when he claims that Iran has enough processed uranium to make a bomb.  He's just blowing smoke to justify his favored approach to Iran: a military attack.  His real purpose, as Juan Cole noted yesterday, is regime change in Iran.

It's past time for all of us, but especially our Democratic Party leaders, to stand up to these lies and call him and President Bush on their <strike>bullshit</strike> phony claims about Iran's nukes before American bombs start falling once more on another Islamic country.

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by Steven D on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 01:20:15 PM EST
Thanks for this, Steven, important and prompt push back on a lie. (And by the way, thanks and welcome with this first diary here at ET!! Look forward to reading more stuff in the future...)

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 02:41:30 PM EST
Thank you!
by Steven D on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 04:40:21 PM EST
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David Albright does know a hell lot more about Iran's nuclear program than anyone in the Bush administration. See this article by Albright about Iran centrifuges.

But I think Steven is way too nice to the Bush administration and Bolton.
Third, we know that Bush (and Bolton) are getting their so-called intelligence about Iran's nuclear weapons program from some highly dubious sources. One of them is the MEK, a marxist oriented terrorist organization bent on overthrowing the current regime in Iran.

The MEK is a weird cultish group, to say the least. Yet, once you cut the crap, the bombast and the overwrought rhetoric from their press releases, they tend to be rather factual. It's indeed the MEK that revealed Iran's centrifuge program and they were factually correct. Those guys are not like Chalabi. They've been around for a long time, since the 60s and they haven't lived off a US expense account like Chalabi (they rather were in Saddam's pockets).

If the MEK had concrete information, they would be all over the place shouting it from every rooftop. And you can't find any such thing on their website. All you can see is this rather tame editorial that rehashes the usual rahrah along with a few grievances towards Europe.

Steven is way too nice to Bolton and the Bush administration by "blaming" it on the MEK. Much more simply, the Bushistas are just pulling stuff out of their arses. They don't even bother masquerading it as super-dupper hush-hush zecret intelligence.

Bolton is just making shit up because he thinks he can get away with it.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 05:07:22 PM EST
Yet, once you cut the crap, the bombast and the overwrought rhetoric from their press releases, they tend to be rather factual.

Or not.

Another issue concerns the NCRI's track record for accuracy. News from this group is often good for getting right-wingers to show their "O" face and belittle the EU3's diplomacy with Tehran, but it's probably good that we're not banking on these exiles for too much intel.

For example, IAEA inspectors visited another site that the NCRI ID'd as a secret nuclear facility. ElBaradei reported this past November that the inspectors ...

    ... visited three locations at an industrial complex in Kolahdouz in western Tehran that had been mentioned in open source reports as relevant to enrichment activities. While no work was seen at those locations that could be directly linked to uranium enrichment, environmental samples were taken. The results did not reveal any indications of activities involving the use of nuclear material.

Additionally, an IAEA official told me 5 April that no subsequent NCRI reports have led the agency to any smoking guns.

Moreover, ElBaradei thinks the IAEA needs more information, which suggests that the NCRI isn't helping all that much.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 05:20:50 PM EST
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Then I stand corrected
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 05:41:22 PM EST
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Or not. The MEK was indeed right about Natanz and the first to go public. Coincidence, good luck or good work, dunno but.
During a press conference by the representative office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran held in Washington DC, in mid-August 2002, the existence of a secret nuclear facility at Natanz was revealed.

[snip]

The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) on 12 December 2002 released an issue brief expressing concern that Iran is trying to develop "the capability to make separated plutonium and highly enriched uranium, the two main nuclear explosive materials." ISIS acquired satellite imagery of a site in Natanz, about 40 kilometers southeast of Kashan, which may be a gas-centrifuge facility for uranium enrichment.

Iran strongly rejected the allegations and reiterated that the two plants were intended to generate electricity. "In the next 20 years, Iran has to produce 6,000 megawatts of electricity by nuclear plants and the launch of these two centers are aimed at producing necessary fuel for these plants," Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi said.

[snip]

IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei visited the site [Natanz] on 21 February, in the first visit by the U.N.-chartered nuclear monitoring agency. During this visit, the Director General was informed by Iran of its uranium enrichment plant (PFEP) nearing completion of construction, and a large commercial-scale fuel enrichment plant (FEP) also under construction.

It was reported on August 26, 2003, that the IAEA had found particles of highly enriched uranium in environmental samples taken at Natanz. These findings were released in a report whose distribution was initially restricted to the organization's 35-nation Board of Governors.

When first poked about Natanz, the Iranians started by lying. MEK was indeed the first to talk publicly about Natanz. I'm not calling MEK reliable but simply "rather factual", especially compared to people like Chalabi. The comparison to Chalabi is not correct. They are one of the rare windows we have in Iran. Certainly not a clean window, I'll concede that.

And whether spooks and their touchy egos like to credit amateurs or not is an other story ...
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 06:12:34 PM EST
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That they were right about Natanz doesn't make them trustworthy. I in fact quoted from an article which started with them being right about Natanz. That none of their other claims turned out to be factual was the point. (And Chalabi wasn't all lies either.)

In the above I find no lie by the Iranians. Not revealing the existence of the site is no lie. In fact they had no obligation to reveal the sites until 6 months before coming on-line.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 06:23:46 PM EST
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No obligation except for the HEU bit and the "it's not us but those freaking darn Pakis" explanation which was, err, awkward?

And the ISIS brief related to Arak and Natanz. Arak (heavy water reactor) has no business with energy production. Natanz, as I argued before, makes no rational sense for a civilian program (but that's a judgement call) and HEU in a "civilian" installation makes absolutely no sense (and that one is plain factual).

And again, Dodo, do not ascribe words to me that I didn't say. MEK is not trustworthy. They have motivations of their own but they are certainly check-worthy (and yes, Chalabi was all lies).
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 06:43:32 PM EST
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the HEU bit and the "it's not us but those freaking darn Pakis" explanation which was, err, awkward?

Last I read that was confirmed by the IAEA, wasn't it?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 06:46:34 PM EST
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Yes, it was "confirmed" in mid-2005, thanks to comparisons with equipments the Pakistani supplied sometime after March 2005 - 7 months after the IAEA HEU announcement - to the IAEA in a sudden and unprecendented fit of openness.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:10:24 PM EST
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Yes. And?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:19:27 PM EST
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And the presumed Pakistani equipment the IAEA tested to establish their conclusion could as well be Iranian equipment not caught in the 2003 inventory and shipped back through Pakistan. The IAEA test would have made sense if their inspectors had accessed Pakistani warehouses a few weeks after the samplings in Natanz and made their sampling on any machine they wanted. But this comparison made 7 months after the announcement and probably more than a year after the samplings in Natanz make no sense.

I don't know if Iran actually did that with Pakistan complicity but it's as credible as any other hypothesis. I don't know if Iran is guilty but they stink, they stink to high heavens.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:46:51 PM EST
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Now you get into paranoia.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:53:43 PM EST
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It would be paranoia if I was advocating the instant nuking of Iran and you'd be right to ask for absolute proof. But it's not the case.

I just see :
  • That Iran theocrats are real brutish nasties we have no reason to trust and that various factions among them do want the big bomb.
  • That their program is inconsistent with a well-run, pragmatic civilian program but very consistent with a military program, albeit somewhat incomplete on the plutonium side (no PUREX so far).
  • That they got caught acquiring technology on the black market, technology they don't need for energy production.
  • That, when they are in compliance with NPT, it is always in the narrowest sense, and on some aspects, only once caught red-handed.

So, OK, maybe they are just very clumsy and ignorant of foreign ways and all they need is better PR. You can see it this way if you absolutely want to.

But, when I see all of that, I see a strong convergence of elements of proof. It's not enough to sentence them but it's more then enough to ask them for very serious and straightforward answers and very strong guarantees. It's more than enough to refuse to settle for just a "trust us" answer.

It seems you have taken the tack of deciding that Iran is pure as fresh snow until proven fully guilty. And I presume you do that so not to side with the Boltons and the Bushes (as if what you or me said mattered to international relations...).

But, this "La la la I can't hear you" attitude is completely counterproductive because the facts are nastily stacked against Iran whether you like it or not. And if you surrender those facts to the right-wing wackos, you allow them to spin them the way they want, towards war or whatever lays in their sick minds.

If you look at the facts with the healthy dose of distrust the Iranian theocrats deserve, you see 2 things:
  • They want the bomb and they are working on it so you'd better pay attention.
  • They are nowhere near getting it so there is no reason to care about what Bolton says and every reasons to tell him and his ilk to go get lost.
And it's much easier to argue against the Boltons if you don't deny the obvious yourself. The funny thing is, the facts are on our side.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:30:53 PM EST
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It seems you have taken the tack of deciding that Iran is pure as fresh snow until proven fully guilty.

No, I decided you sound too sure and to challenge your claims.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:41:22 PM EST
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I'm not a intelligence analyst and even them can't be sure of anything. I have no influence whatsoever and less agenda than any "official" you can find. I'm just stating what I see reported and correlates it with what I know about technology. And I end up with those two conclusions.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:07:12 PM EST
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Further problems with your above claims:

(a) I find not a single reference that the samples for comparison were supplied to the IAEA by Pakistan. The IAEA doesn't name the country - however, it does say it was a country that purchased from the Khan network, that closes out Pakistan.

(b) The 54% HEU particles were from Pakistan - but the 36% HEU particles were from Russia. Two separate lines of evidence.

(c) I submit, however, that the IAEA doesn't see the LEU issue resolved.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:40:07 PM EST
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Dodo, you are annoying sometimes.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:48:52 PM EST
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Weeee ! What did I say ? 7 months ? More like 19 months.
- The Natanz inspection started in february 2003.
- The IAEA annoucement was made on August 26, 2003.
- The Pakistani hand-over was reported on March 15, 2005 (hand-over of machines to IAEA).
- The IAEA conclusions were reported on August 2005.

That's more than 2 years after the facts, actually.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:56:05 PM EST
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Arak (heavy water reactor) no business with energy production

(a) That wasn't the Iranian claim, (b) there is something else at Arak you know...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 06:49:57 PM EST
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Arak is heavy water plant and heavy water IR-40 reactor.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:11:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bingo.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:18:33 PM EST
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Bingo what? What has this reactor to do with civilian power production? Answer : Nothing.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:47:50 PM EST
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(a) That wasn't the Iranian claim, (b) you just wrote it explicit that there is something else at Arak...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:49:23 PM EST
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The December 2002 ISIS report refers to 2 sites: Arak and Natanz. Iran's answer was that those sites were meant for fuel production.
"In the next 20 years, Iran has to produce 6,000 megawatts of electricity by nuclear plants and the launch of these two centers are aimed at producing necessary fuel for these plants," Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi said.
Natanz is the centrifuge plant. And because of its low separative capacity, it is simply grossly unsufficient and Iran will remains totally dependent on foreign fuel supply. Add the funny HEU mishmash and it turns to vaudeville. This installation is doing nothing in favor of fuel for power production. Lie #1.

Arak is heavy water production + heavy water reactor and that technology has strictly nothing to do power production or fuel. Lie #2
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:44:18 PM EST
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Regarding the heavy water reactor, I forgot to check and only now saw your reply regarding the Algerian reactor. The claim that it was part of a nuke program was news to me, but David Albright's summary makes clear that that is not at all proven. (Also, their hot cell is too small.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:48:12 PM EST
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The lack of transparency does not mean that Algeria is seeking nuclear weapons or conducting undeclared nuclear activities in violation of the NPT. In an environment of partial transparency, however, suspicions are inevitable.
No, it does not mean incontrovertibly that Algeria had a military program. It just means the investment made no sense outside of a military program.

Those reactors serve for 2 purposes.
  • Plutonium production out of natural uranium - Military
  • High power neutron source such as this one - Usage depends.
    • Medical applications (isotopes for tracers, radiotherapy) - No reason to hide.
    • Very advance material technology - No reason to hide.
    • Tritium production - Military
    • Material test and fission tests for nuclear technology - No reason to hide unless you want to hide the rest of the program.
Complete opacity in nuclear technology is a give-away, a full bore siren. When people hide, it screams "military". If you invest in a science reactor for peaceful applications, you want to brag about it. You want to shove in your neighbours' face. Especially in the region. You also want international cooperation so you don't loose your time reinventing the wheel.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 09:36:16 PM EST
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And again, Dodo, do not ascribe words to me that I didn't say.

If one claim from half a dozen is true, my error of replacing "rather factual" with "trustworthy" is of little significance.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 06:52:00 PM EST
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Of publicly known information:
- Two claims right : Arak, Natanz.
- One claim wrong : Kolahdouz.

Not too shabby
for those Chalabi

(and it rhymes :)

by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:28:06 PM EST
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Two claims right : Arak, Natanz.

OK.

- One claim wrong : Kolahdouz.

Kolahdouz makes three claims, and "all subsequent" makes at least two more.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 07:52:14 PM EST
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Kolahdouz makes one, otherwise I can start counting buildings in Natanz and Arak ...

"all subsequent". Which ones?
Additionally, an IAEA official told me 5 April that no subsequent NCRI reports have led the agency to any smoking guns.
Anonymous griping from an "official"? I'd understand those guys would be vexed.

For Pete's sake, Dodo, I'm not a MEK booster. I just say 1) you can't compare them with Chalabi and 2) Bolton cannot even use them as a cover for his own claims.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Mar 15th, 2006 at 08:54:47 PM EST
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Thanks for the well presented piece.

John Bolton is a scary kinda guy to me. There is something in his presentation and persona that seems so repellent and evil.

Guys like him in office, I call it the WYSIWYG effect. He is not the kind of individual one would trust face to face in the normal intercourse of life. You know, for example, he would lose as a Real Estate salesman, because he is so obviously a liar and a prick. Bush and Cheney are other examples of the WYSIWYG effect.

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by Keone Michaels on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 11:43:03 AM EST


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