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Happy Women's Day!

by DoDo Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 08:53:59 AM EST


One of the dates men always forget...

Happy International Women's Day to

  • Fran our tireless breakfast maker,
  • Alexandra, our WikiLibrarian,
  • DeAnander, our best commenter (and frontpager-in-hiding),
  • poemless, our art specialist,
  • Izzy the peanut butter lover,
  • Agnes, our tawdry love story writer,
  • ...and dozens of others I forgot to mention!

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including those were we are not sure about the gender...

[waves at LondonYank who only recently came "out"] (-:

by PeWi on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 09:01:03 AM EST
Fitting news for the day: Swedish second-league (male) hockey team Malmö Redhawks hired 19-year-old Kim Martin, goalie for the Swedish women's national team in the just ended Winter Olympics! This weekend, she will be on the ice in a match against Bofors.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 09:07:12 AM EST
                                   

"I can assure you : man are finished ! When this mother of all wars is over, woman will have to rebuild society !"

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 09:09:12 AM EST

Woman seen by...

  • a lover
  • a pervert
  • a programmer
  • a psychologist
  • a religious authority
  • a kid
  • a physicist
  • a harvester (hard to translate, maybe an "exploiter")


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 09:13:23 AM EST
Hey, thank you DoDo. BTW you remind me I am seriously lagging behind my release schedule.

For a change, a serious diary, the topic of which is, guess what ? International Women's day  ! :-)

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:13:46 AM EST
I also vote for DeAnander as the best female commenter, even if Izzy and poemless are very close, with different writing styles though.
Did not know she she was front-pager to be though.  

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:16:50 AM EST
Or just plain best commenter.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:20:08 AM EST
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Watch your back Colman... We have a prominent male commenter around, and they are not to be left ignored, otherwise we can expect strong retaliation. Remember what happens  when we misspell his first name... <s>

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:25:32 AM EST
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I fully support DeAnander's nomination to best commenter, all categories (you can vote for her over at the Koufax Awards: http://wampum.wabanaki.net/vault/2006/02/002446.html, and for the "can" post here:http://wampum.wabanaki.net/vault/2006/01/002325.html)

Go here to vote in all other categories: http://wampum.wabanaki.net/

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:32:09 AM EST
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ever seen a deer in the headlights?

nomination?  me?  yikes.  there I was just dropping by to check on things, and got a bit of a shock.

anyway, I'm taking it as a subtle hint from Jerome (the UeberGnome) that I should be getting back to energy literacy, the topic I promised to write about back when ET was founded :-)

What I've been doing instead (among other things)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:42:52 AM EST
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In Italy, men have to give Mimosa flowers to all the women they know in this day... but in the UK it's really difficult to get hold of them :/ -- mimosa flowers, not women ;D
by toyg (g.lacava@gmail.com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:08:50 AM EST
Happy Women's Day!

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:20:05 AM EST
The head needs to be a tad bigger in proportion to the body.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:21:18 AM EST
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And the hands a few decades younger :)
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:22:58 AM EST
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That, too, but the pinhead is the most striking.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:23:53 AM EST
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Is this better? (I'm new to The Gimp)

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:31:59 AM EST
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Hmmm, it just doesn't seem to fit. Maybe she's not fit to wear that costume.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:33:50 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:09:23 PM EST
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so that's what de anander look like!

i figured something similar...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:28:42 AM EST
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Thanks Dodo! Happy women's day to everyone at ET.

Now to add a few stats....

According to a press release from Eurostats on the occasion of Women's day (pdf)

  • Women in the EU25 live on average 6 years longer than men
  • 55% of tertiary students in the EU25 are women
  • Almost a third of managers in the EU25 are women
  • Women work longer hours than men (see below)


Although patterns of time use are generally quite similar throughout Europe, some interesting differences can be observed between women and men and between the countries surveyed.

On average, women aged 20 to 74 spend much more time than men on domestic work, ranging from less than 50% more in Sweden to over 200% more in Italy and Spain (table 1). Women spend most time doing domestic work in Italy, Estonia, Slovenia, Hungary and Spain, around 5 hours or more per day. The lowest figures are found in Sweden, Norway, Finland and Latvia - less than 4 hours per day.

Men spend on average more time on gainful work/study than on domestic tasks whereas the opposite is true for women in most of the countries surveyed.

The total hours worked per day - i.e. gainful work/study and domestic work - is highest for women in Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Italy and Spain (around 7½ hours or more). It is shorter for men than for women except in Sweden, Norway and the United Kingdom, where it is almost equal or only slightly shorter (table 2).
Source pdf.



Methodology note: "The average time spent on various activities is calculated for all persons aged 20 to 74, and across the whole year including working days and weekends, as well as holiday periods. This explains why, for example, the time spent on gainful work is significantly less than a normal working day. "

The press release doesn't mention women in politics but among national/federal Parliaments members women are between 48% in Sweden and 9% in Turkey and they make up 28% of the European parliament. (see below for all the country statistics).

Here is the proportion of women in the single/lower houses of the national/federal Parliaments and in the European Parliament
country     Percentage_women     Women_total     Men_total
Austria                   33                 60                124
Belgium                 35                 53                 98
Bulgaria                 21                 51                189
Cyprus                   16                  9                 47
Czech Republic     16                 31                169
Germany               31                191                426
Denmark               40                 68                102
Estonia                  19                 19                 82
Greece                   13                 40                260
Spain                     36                126                224
Finland                  38                 76                124
France                   15                 75                427
Hungary                  9                 35                351
Ireland                  13                 22                144
Iceland                 34                 21                 41
Italy                      12                 71                540
Liechtenstein        24                  6                 19
Lithuania              23                 32                109
Luxembourg        20                 12                 47
Latvia                  22                 22                 78
Malta                     9                  6                 59
The Netherlands   39                 58                 92
Norway                 35                 44                 82
Poland                   21                 95                366
Portugal                 25                 58                172
Romania                11                 37                294
Sweden                  49                170                179
Slovenia                 13                 12                 78
Slovakia                 17                 26                124
Turkey                     4                 24                527
United Kingdom    20                127                519
EU Parliament       28                204                528
Source: European Commission, DG EMPL, Database on women and men in decision-making

There is also an earlier diary on that topic: Women active in European Politics by whataboutbob.
For more statistics go to the European Commission's website on women and men in decision-making.

So what's your time use structure and do you have any plans to join a European parliament?

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 11:30:09 AM EST
Thanks for all this, Alexandra. The table on time use is fascinating. Not only because of the gender differences, but the light it sheds on time use overall.

Presumably people replied to this survey by giving the time they estimated they spent on the different categories of activity. I'm surprised to see that, men and women combined, there's less difference between time spent in gainful employment in the UK and in France than one would have expected, given the apparent consensus that the British work long hours and the French don't do much at all.

On free time: the French do spend considerably more time on meals and personal care than the British, but if you totalize meals/personal care with free time, the numbers are quite similar:

French women......7h10mn
British women.....7h20mn
French men........7h47mn
British men.......7h36mn

Apologies to other nationalities, but those were the ones I looked at first!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:39:43 PM EST
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<snark> It's a scandal that French women sleep longer than French men.</snark>
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:49:38 PM EST
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I wonder if this is because they fall asleep during..?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:05:30 PM EST
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hehe afew there isn't anything that you can't twist into a funny comment

About sleeping times, have you noticed how French men and women both sleep longer than all their European peers?

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:20:56 PM EST
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Look at the small print - it looks like a methodology issue.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:23:20 PM EST
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Just saw it a minute after writing my comment, I wonder why they did this too.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:24:13 PM EST
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True, but also the time declared spent on gainful employment/study is almost identical for French and British women, and only 15mn a day greater for British men than French. I know this is an average over ages 20-74, but retirement age is later in the UK, the employment rate is higher, and the working week is longer... It's all the same surprising.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:57:12 PM EST
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Ah, they actually explain that as a footnote in the table (they say that long periods of rest were counted as sleep in France but as free time in other countries). Ok. God knows why, by the way.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:23:38 PM EST
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Don't know about that...

I'm going to be a spoil sport and say that I think this whole Women's Day business is downright silly.

1/2 of the human population and we get one day of recognition out of 365?  Ridiculous...  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:01:45 PM EST
No your wrong, we get 2 days, you forgot mother's day.

But DoDo thank you for the flowers anyway, the gesture is much appreciated.

by Fran on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:05:11 PM EST
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Not all of us are mothers.

Oh, yes, didn't mean to undermine DoDo's or anyone else's gestures & comments.  Sorry...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:09:23 PM EST
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Forgot to add that my above comment was a snark.
by Fran on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:13:20 PM EST
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"International days" have become the Calendar of Saints of the UN.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:19:53 PM EST
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I agree with you -- quite seriously, poemless. Women's Day is a gadget.

Let's say today is the day we forget about women and the  364 others, we take care not to.

So today is Not Women's Day.

(er...?)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:22:18 PM EST
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I'm opting for caring everyday...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:33:42 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 12:51:31 PM EST
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I do?

If I won, there would be no need for any International Women's Day! ;)

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:04:43 PM EST
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Heh!

Unfortunately, I was only speaking for myself...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 01:58:29 PM EST
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So you acknowledge there is a need for an International Women's Day after all?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 04:53:12 PM EST
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Is this about the Nivea??? Hahaha.  

Ok, I acknowledge there is a need for an International Women's Day. It shoud just be everyday.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 05:18:25 PM EST
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Representatives of the International League of Hermaphrodites just stormed out of the room.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Mar 8th, 2006 at 05:22:48 PM EST
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I'm actually inclined to view it like you, but

  • the women around me do appreciate women's day (bouquets) (and don't appreciate men forgetting it), so I am conditioned...
  • here on ET yesterday, it seemed the women won't get the recognition from the other men even on that day...
  • I'm personally undertalented at expressing recognition, but the Women's Day traditions make it easier (or so I thought)...

Anyway, to reduce the ratio at least to 2:364, Happy Second Women's Day :-)

And a poem hopefully not inappropiate:

Freedom, Love!

Freedom, love,
This two I crave.
For my love, I sacrifice
My life,
For Freedom, I sacrifice
My love.

(Sándor Petőfi, 1 January 1847)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 08:41:16 AM EST
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Beautiful flowers

-- Fighting my own apathy..
by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:00:33 AM EST


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