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Blood Fruit: The Blowback Harvest Begins

by ghandi Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 08:16:27 AM EST

Fighting them "over there" to keep from fighting them "over here"?

Hell no.

We're fighting them "over here" because we're  fighting them "over there."

UK intelligence confirms that last year's  July 7 London bombings were a direct result of the Iraq War. It was not  the work of long-time al Qaeda activists, but young Britons who had  been radicalized by the unprovoked invasion of the Muslim heartland.  From The Observer: Leak reveals official story of London bombings: Al-Qaeda not linked, says government.

And  let's be clear: this is just the very beginning, the first, faint  echoes of the coming whirlwind of blowback that will hit the United  States and Britain as a result of the monstrous and murderous folly in  Iraq. The victims of 7/7 are the first fruits of a terrible harvest of  innocent blood. None of this retribution will be "justified" in any way  -- that's not the point here. The point is that you cannot launch wars  of aggression and slaughter tens of thousands of innocent people and  expect a Gandhi-like response from your victims and their compatriots.  Would that it were so -- but it is not so. The overwhelming majority of  Muslims around the world will not, will never react with violence, not  even to greater provocations (such as the coming attack on Iran); but  as the British government's own investigation shows, these wars will  radicalize a growing number of Muslims around the world who will seek  to meet death with death.

Our dark days -- already pitch-black with murder and lies and hatred and fear -- are about to grow even darker.

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The Spanish commission investigating the March 11th attacks found that the  connection to Al Qaeda was tangential as well.  

In many ways, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden have learned to mirror globalized capitalism.  Al Qaeda as a military organization hasn't been behind most of the attacks since September 11th.  Local affiliates have carried out the attacks.  I think that eventually we're going to realize in the West that just as there was no monolithic communist threat, monolithic terrorism in the form of Al Qaeda also does not exist.  That offer challenges (this is a many headed snake) and opportunities (what divisions can be exploited?)

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Apr 15th, 2006 at 04:49:14 PM EST
This has now been confirmed by the judicial investigation by judge Juan del Olmo, which was published this past week. The connection to Al Qaeda is at most ideological or inspirational.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 15th, 2006 at 05:27:37 PM EST
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The connection to Al Qaeda is at most ideological or inspirational.

Do what you do best, and outsource the rest.

Remember Migeru, brand identity is very important.  You can sell people overpriced, low quality junk, but they aren't buying the product, they're buying the brand. Hell,  I bet we could even get people to blow themselves into itsy bitsy little bits if we could come up with a really good brand story.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Apr 15th, 2006 at 06:06:49 PM EST
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It's darkest before it's pitch black.

Yes, ghandi, you are right. Part of the reason is that the Middle East has been hating the United States since Ajax. The US has been messing with the region claiming it's for a good cause and doing at the same time immoral things such as the Iran-Contra affair. Britain of course has been doing similar things. This hypocrisy, coupled with the anti-west rhetoric of the Middle East leaders, has caused indignation.

by Brownie on Sat Apr 15th, 2006 at 09:00:13 PM EST
Just a bit of information. It was argued that British and American forces were never accepted as interchangeable.

In fact, British controlled Iraq was significantly different, the soldiers were ordered not to carry helmets, but just their military caps ("it's ok, folks, the war is over"), and the officers actually managed to study the Arab language quite well and communicate with the Iraqis themselves.

And we all know the "brute force" policy of the American army, in contrast to their British counterparts.

Be careful! Is it classified?

by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 05:23:18 AM EST
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al quaida is open source terrorism...

whereas the usa is like microsoft, wanting a monopoly with a junk product to boot, and reboot, and reboot.

we need a mac foreign policy!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Apr 16th, 2006 at 06:40:16 AM EST
Personally, I prefer the franchise metaphor to describe Al Quaida. After all, bin Ladin didn't endorse al-Zarqawi as the leader of "Al Q in Mesopotamia" until after he had proven that he met the branding requirements.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Sun Apr 16th, 2006 at 09:54:09 AM EST
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but that's so 2004!

i think of it as open source because it doesn't need a top down leadership.

all you need is to be willing to die...

maybe p2p terrorism?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Apr 16th, 2006 at 10:28:52 PM EST
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p2p terrorism... terrorism as a digitizable, infinitely replicable medium outside the control of "rightsholders".

You're right - that's much more apropo.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Mon Apr 17th, 2006 at 06:15:07 AM EST
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I'm glad we now have official confirmations on this.  If anyone needed proof that "fighting them over there" does not equal being left alone here, 7/7 should've been that proof.

Jen and I were looking forward to taking the Eurostar -- Eurostar, right? -- to Paris when we arrived in Britain, but I think I'd rather just fly at this point, even if it costs a great deal more.  At least until Britain is out of the Middle East.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 09:34:24 AM EST
Why would you not want to take the Eurostar? All high-speed-train terminals have airport-style metal detectors and x-ray scanners.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 09:39:35 AM EST
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Does the Underground not?

It's also a quasi-claustrophobia thing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 09:53:36 AM EST
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Are you kidding? Do you know the number of passengers the underground and urban rail serve each day?

On the other hand, apparently they have been experimenting with portable metal-detector arches that they can deploy on short notice at selected locations in the underground.

I can understand the claustrophobia issue (after all, the Eurostar is in a tunnel under the sea), even 7/7-induced claustrophobia.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 10:03:49 AM EST
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The Underground currently serves 275 stations and runs over 253 miles (408 km) of lines[1]. There are also a number of stations and tunnels that are now closed. In 2004-2005, total passenger rides or journeys reached a record level of 976 million, an average of 2.67 million per day.
If you think you can deploy metal detectors and scanners on the London Underground network I have a bridge to sell you ;-)

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 10:05:37 AM EST
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I believe -- I could be wrong -- that Washington's subway system now has metal detectors, but I recognize that it's not a great comparison, since the Underground is serving millions and millions of people, while the DC subway servesmaybe half a million, I'm guessing.  London has got to be eight times the size of DC, in terms of population, and perhaps even more.

The "tunnel under the channel" part is what really gets to me.  I'm not very big on being near the water -- yes, despite having lived five miles from the Atlantic Ocean for most of my life.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 03:25:14 PM EST
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expect it not to just be the US and UK that are targetted. A lot of mainland Europe will also now be seen as legitimate targets.
by observer393 on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 10:06:02 AM EST
Again, why "will"? France has had to face multiple Islamic terror attacks in 1986 (two series) and 1995, plus a number of other isolated attacks.

Islamic terrorism did not begin on 9/11, or even with Al-Qaida.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 02:52:54 PM EST
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Damn it, Jerome.  When are you going to learn that, if it didn't happen to America, it didn't happen? ;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 03:26:31 PM EST
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