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Should The Netherlands ban houswives?

by messy Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 at 03:34:58 PM EST

We knew that we'd see this somewhere, so here it is: The Dutch Labor party wants to ban housefraus!!!!

That's right, criminalize being a stay-at-home mom, who wants to merely raise their children.

I'm not so good with the html quote thing, so this following is from the following website:

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=28628&name=Penalise %20educated%20stay-at-home%20women%20-%20PvdA

Penalise educated stay-at-home women - PvdA

22 March 2006
 AMSTERDAM -- The Dutch Labour Party (PvdA) has proposed recovering part of the cost of study from highly-educated women who decide not to seek paid work.

MP Sharon Dijksma, deputy chairperson of the PvdA's parliamentary party, believes the punitive measure is needed to stimulate more women to join the workforce. She outlined her ideas in Forum, a magazine published by employers' group VNO-NCW.
 "A highly-educated woman who chooses to stay at home and not to work - that is destruction of capital," Dijksma said. "If you receive the benefit of an expensive education at the cost of society, you should not be allowed to throw away that knowledge unpunished."

Every now and then we find something that's really screwed up like this. I"m pretty sure that some would think that the above article is a good reason to keep women uneducated, that way they'll stay out of jail, right?

I also think that the Labor party just fell another ten points in the polls because of this....

I had a look in the Dutch press and forums about this case.
MP Sharon Dijksma herself started twice an academic study. She didn't finisched one of them . So , she destroyed a lot of capital to .  No punischment is known for this half-high-educated MP.

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by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 at 04:18:01 PM EST
I disagree with the notion that the value of education comes from the degree.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Apr 3rd, 2006 at 06:14:05 PM EST
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This is actually news to me, messy, great find! I've been scanning some news reports about the proposal and some comments from the on-line people. My perspective for now: a hot air balloon.

Once so often Dutch MP just launch an idea and see whether it floats or just get boohed away. I recall a proposal of minister Peijs of Traffic last summer wherein she mused about a ban of all un-attached objects at the back of a car, to avoid making them a target during a violent collision. It got boohed so fast and so loud (what about umbrellas? Or road-books? Or tissue boxes?) I don't think it ever came back...

And I'm with Elco on this: how entirely double faced of her. This is the typical old-school PvdA way of paternalistic thinking and the one I fervently oppose. It's meddlesome government, not good government. That besides, it uses the stick instead of the carrot, which always irritates me. My personal opinion is that people respond better to profitable stimuli, and not to penalising ones.

Most what I read is heavy criticism. People are quoting the Dutch constitution on equality and I feel they've a point.  

I also found some numbers: According to the CBS, the official agency for statistics, about 58 percent of the women (active population!) are now working (part time + full time, I guess). Is that really such a bad number?

Furthermore, the percentage of higher educated women which are unemployed is quoted at about 9.5% (NOS, the public news agency), less than 100.000 in total. And I wonder how many of them are just in their early phase of looking for a suitable job...

Combine that with the fact that Sharon is stuck in the Parliament since 1994 after botching two studies (and probably not eager to leave with a massive PvdA victory projected), and I call this an official boo-boo.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 at 05:48:38 PM EST
In the U.S., where many students depend on loans to pay for college, you can defer payment for a period of time related to parenting. It's not very long, though: Six months or so.
by asdf on Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 at 11:50:56 PM EST
Actually, I think a "punitive measure" is never a good stimulus. Anything that is punitive is negative. And in order to make people want and do something one should address the issue in positive way.

In this case, I would say, it is a better idea to do just the opposite--give an incentive to well educated women that have kids not to stay at home. For example by offering some preferential services for them--lower the prices of state kindergartens or something like that.    

by Denny on Mon Apr 3rd, 2006 at 11:06:43 AM EST
Who pays for the childcare if the woman goes back to work? If she pays its herself then, in effect, she is still a housewife, just by proxy. If there is state supported childcare then her taxes are paying for the childcare, and once again she is a housewife by proxy.

In the US student loans for higher education can be forgiven (at least in part) if the graduates agree to going into certain professions for a number of years. Nursing and teaching are two of the most popular.

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Mon Apr 3rd, 2006 at 11:30:34 AM EST
But the point in this proposal is that they should be able to do more qualified work with their educations. You know, specialisation.

I assmue that you, just as me are both a farmer and tailor by proxy...

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Apr 3rd, 2006 at 06:11:49 PM EST
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people raising them!  

The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Mon Apr 3rd, 2006 at 10:52:37 PM EST
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So you want highly trained professionals, skilled in the raising of children, working at the daycares? Of course. While the moms use their degrees in nuclear physics for the benefit of society.

Seriously, the suggestion from the dutch labour party was a bad one and good arguments against (as well as theories as to why the suggestion popped up in the first place) has been presented in these comments. If you are not advocating a society where everybody manages their own production, the argument that "since someone must pay it is just being a housewife by proxy" is a bad argument.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 07:43:11 AM EST
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This is a weird weird suggestion. Let the women choose whether they want to stay at home or work. Loss of human capital.. Going a bit too far.

-- Fighting my own apathy..
by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 02:58:56 PM EST

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