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Fairness and Freedom

by Colman Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 04:57:52 AM EST

Current political discourse is dominated by Freedom: it forms the foundational myth of the US and it's being exported to the world - apparently the US has excess supply. The neo-liberal reform programme in Europe is referred to as "the fight for economic freedoms". The invasion of Iraq is "bringing freedom". No doubt an attack on Iran would also be bringing freedom. Free-market think tanks call themselves Freethis, Freethat and Freetheother. Freedom is the fundamental value that Western Civilisation is built upon and it part of our heavy burden that we must press it upon the less enlightened parts of the world.

It's a cunning framing of issues: after all, who could be against Freedom except nasty people like the authoritarians that populate the demonology of the West? Stalin, Hitler, tin-pot dictators and Islamic religious leaders are against Freedom so any decent people must be in favour of anything labelled with Freedom. That the concept of Freedom in question is limited to Freedom to pursue the interests of rich (and preferably male) members of the Christian West is irrelevant.

There has been a lot of talk recently around here about myths and stories. The consensus is that we need new myths, new stories to set against the myths of the neo-liberals and the conventional wisdom. I have mine, and I'm afraid it's not new: it's Fairness.


Fairness, to my mind, is the basis of human society and human morality. Humans are social animals and we have evolved in that context. In a lot of ways our basic drives and motivations are similar to our primate cousins and other animals. We're better at culture, we're better at reasoning and we're better at communication and building on these three things we have built a society that looks nothing like a tribe of apes living in a forest. However, at the biological and mental level we are still that animal living among the trees - or possibly on the savannah. Any successful social animal needs a sense of morality: a set of rules for living in its society.

Non-human social behaviours are more complicated than generally thought. Dogs and wolves don't have a single alpha that always takes the lead in all things and might does not always make right. Horses have a complicated social life with friendships, dislikes, exchanges of grooming and violent conflict. In these cases most of the behaviour is instinctual, with a little bit of culture thrown in from self-reinforcing learned behaviours: if the herd never crosses that river then caution dictates it is not likely to do so in the future unless forced to or an especially bold individual decides to lead the herd that way.

Fairness, at least to the in-group, is an essential part of any society: a dog who prevents his pack mates eating at all when food is scarce may find himself hunting alone when the game returns and may very well find it hard to reproduce. Dogs need packs to survive. Animal senses of fairness are coloured by dominance hierarchies and social networks: the lead members may have first access to resources and there may be some outrage if less deserving members of the society are caught with access to a treat when the more valued members do not: a stable of horses will explode into excitement if you give an ordinary member a piece of carrot while remaining quiet while you give a dominant mare an apple. Human society is, of course nothing like this.

My sense of it is that fairness is one of humanity's innate drives: it is part of all the great moral systems. In fact it is the golden rule: "do unto others as you would have done unto you" and its variations. The drive only applies to the in-group(s): family, tribe, nation, continent, race, species, planet. It's the definition of in-group that makes a lot of the difference: for right-wing libertarians the definition seems sometimes to be "me".

The right emphasises freedom and ignores fairness (except when they feel the world is being unfair to them...) because the laissez-faire economic system is fundamentally, basically unfair. It magnifies the effects of accidents and acts to concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the lucky. A fair system would damp the effects of accidents, asking the lucky to support the unlucky. Now, some of the right may consider the current system perfectly fair because the unlucky are not in their in-group: the unlucky are cursed by God or their own immorality or laziness and are not members of their family or tribe. Much of rhetoric of the right is devoted to explaining why being selfish and unfair is good for everyone in the long run. "Cruel to be kind" is their motto. However, the right can't come out and say that the system is unfair to the majority of people but that that's ok because we don't care about you at all. There's a weak point that we can attack.

By emphasising fairness we can force the neo-liberals to either say that their policies are unfair but only to people that don't matter or try to argue that manifestly unfair policies are fair. The first is not a winning plan politically in most parts of Europe and the second can be fought on the merits. I say that explicitly being unfair to out-groups isn't a winning plan politically with caution: coded unfairness - racially and economically - is acceptable and even a positive for many politicians. The trick is to force it to be explicitly stated. We also need to put forward alternative fair solutions to problems. Economics is about trade-offs: we need to ensure that we make fair decisions.

A fair economy does not disproportionately reward luck. A fair economy ensures that all the members of society have a decent lifestyle1.

Fairness does come at the expense of some freedom, but so does everything else. The right to property beloved of the right comes at the expense of some freedom. The right not to be murdered in your bed comes at the expense of some freedom. The right to have children comes at the expense of some freedom. Nothing is free.


  1. And the concept of "a decent lifestyle" lies at the root of relative poverty and is tied up in all sorts of interesting things. Something for another diary I think.

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Rant as promised previously.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:01:04 AM EST
is a false dichotomy. I really need to diary John Stuart Mill's Principles of Political Economy, but I don't have time!!!

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:12:10 AM EST
Of course it is.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:16:01 AM EST
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Another one of those neocon divide-and-conquer rhetorical ploys?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:18:06 AM EST
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Nah, just couldn't think of a good headline.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:26:54 AM EST
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It is a good headline, but a bad myth/meme/metaphor. You don't want to tell people they can have fairness with freedom, not fairness or freedom.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:28:21 AM EST
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Sorry, you want to tell them...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:28:43 AM EST
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Happy?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:33:32 AM EST
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Er... I suppose, it's not like I intended you to change the title...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:35:43 AM EST
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No, if that's what the market wants ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:38:41 AM EST
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Fuck the tyranny of freedom.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:46:19 AM EST
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Now what's the command I can use to fill my diaries with footnotes? It's something I've always wanted to do but couldn't figure out.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:48:59 AM EST
Have a look at the source of the story ... I wrote instructions at some stage but don't have time to hunt for them right now. Someone  might have them handy.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:52:32 AM EST
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Remind me later and I'll try and dig them up.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:40:52 AM EST
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Fairness wins by 2 to 1 in France, except in a winner takes all logic, where only the first word matters...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 06:10:50 AM EST
That is so 18th century...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 06:12:09 AM EST
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That's the French for you. Always behind the times.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 06:17:19 AM EST
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Sclerotic, hidebound anti-reformists.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:28:16 AM EST
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I recently came acrossthe outlines of John Rawls "Theory of Justice". He  elaborates a theorical frame from which to build a Social Contract that compensates for inequality rather than impose equality. Seems quite interesting although maybe a bit too dense to translate directly into political speech.

I don't think you can look into Nature for fairness, being this a moral concept, and being Nature essentialy ammoral.
What you do find in Nature, namely in social animals, is a principle of reciprocity. This is ultimately selfish, but proximately (is this the word?), and namely in humans, translates into somtehing like the golden rule. "I help you without any imediate reward other than the thought that you would do the same for me".
Like you point out, this is confined to "my-group".

I personally think it is better to avoid the naturalistic argument. Natural does not equal good. It's been too frequently abused to justify greed and selfishness and social "darwinism".

I could do a more structured argument at home... but work calls...

by Torres on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:26:19 AM EST
I don't think you can look into Nature for fairness, being this a moral concept, and being Nature essentialy ammoral.

I don't think there is anywhere else to look. We are social animals, nothing else. We are different in degree, not in type.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:30:28 AM EST
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But we're more social than animals. What makes humans different is the persistence of culture and collective knowledge. Individual humans don't have to discover the whole world for themselves as other animals do, because a lot of knowledge is distilled and communicated between humans. Some of that is moral knowledge and it damps or amplifies natural tendencies.

My take on it is that there's a permanent spread between selfishness and empathy in humans. Different individuals are at different positions in the spread for genetic reasons.

This means that people either have that sense of empathy or fairness, or they don't. I'm not sure that the ones that don't can be persuaded to. Appeals to their better nature won't work because they don't have one. The best you can hope for is that socialisation will stop them doing too much damage.

What you can do though is create a social environment with a consensus around empathy rather than selfishness. If excessive selfishness were considered criminal, it would soon lose its popularity.

In practice it usually seems to take a lot of civil unrest to make the empathic ideal gain ground against the selfish interests.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 09:45:15 AM EST
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What makes humans different is the persistence of culture and collective knowledge.

We're just better at it. A lot of animals have culture as well.

My take on it is that there's a permanent spread between selfishness and empathy in humans. Different individuals are at different positions in the spread for genetic reasons.

Almost certainly true. Note that all the religions come down, in principle, at the empathic end though. I think the difference in definition of in-groups is the main thing.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 09:50:03 AM EST
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We're not more social than other primates.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 09:51:00 AM EST
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But we are. A lot of personal identity comes from socialisation and culture. That isn't true of other primates.

It's not just about labels like nationalities, political parties, religion or taste in music. It's about fundamentals like numeracy, values, and even aspects of spatial perception. A huge amount of what goes on in human heads is a cultural download that no one is born with.

E.g. - hygiene. Many squeamish reactions that we think are instinctive are wholly learned. Some of them only started being learned very recently - e.g. in the court of Louis XIV people crapped on the stairs and didn't understand why this was a bad thing.

A lot of other things we take for granted today - literacy, numeracy, logic, the free dissemination of information - are very recent too, and for most of history they didn't exist. (And neither did history in any modern sense.)

Other primates have very simple culture, and it lacks this persistence. If one animal makes a useful discovery it will either never be passed on, or - at best - it will be forgotten in a generation or two.

That's why we're different to other animals. Even though we have animal roots, the complexity and persistence of culture is completely unique. So is the fact that it exists outside of individuals - as on a blog like this one, which (so far as I know) isn't happening inside anyone's head.

It's useful to understand this because culture is very fragile. Without personal teaching by parents and schools and access to aggregated information, it would disappear overnight. If you want to see the purely animal primate part, you could try that and see how much is left.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 10:41:41 AM EST
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Other primates have very simple culture, and it lacks this persistence. If one animal makes a useful discovery it will either never be passed on, or - at best - it will be forgotten in a generation or two.
There is increasing evidence that this isnot the case.

Anyway, identity is a different issue. If you don't have self-awareness you can't construct an identity, socially or otherwise. And whether even apes are self-aware (c.f. "mirror" experiments) is an open question.

Language and the ability to teach rather than learning by imitation are again another level altogether.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 10:47:03 AM EST
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Not to speak of the role that writing plays in persistence. Yet another level.

At which point in hominid evolution do you draw the line between human and pre-human, and why is there not culture before that point (or is there?).

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 10:52:15 AM EST
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Paleoanthropologist Ian Tattersall has an interesting theory about the role of symbolic thought in setting apart modern humans, but how that interacts with empathy, society and culture is a little over my head.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 11:00:46 AM EST
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But we are. A lot of personal identity comes from socialisation and culture. That isn't true of other primates.

How would we know? We're not even sure to what extent other animals have a sense of self. We're not at all sure whether our sense of self isn't just a complicated illusion.

Other primates have very simple culture, and it lacks this persistence. If one animal makes a useful discovery it will either never be passed on, or - at best - it will be forgotten in a generation or two.

Really? Doesn't square with the studies I've read. In fact I'm sure I've seen studies of inventions persisting for generations.

All of human culture is balanced precariously on the animal part. We can only understand culturally that which our animal part can handle. And our animal part has evolved in concert with out culture, which is another issue.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 10:49:24 AM EST
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even crows have to be taught by other crows how to use simple tools, like a sharp twig for winkling grubs out of soft wood, or how to drop nuts from a height to smash them and get at the kernels.

raise a baby crow in isolation and it doesn't have those skills...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 09:36:55 PM EST
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What is fairness? Where does it come from? Why do other animals also have it?

I cannot  accept or understand the point of view that somehow places humans outside of Nature™ (now available in special handy pack from Disney). It's nonsensical.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:34:08 AM EST
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Our child has an exaggerated sense of fairness. Before he was even 2 he would get really upset every time we adults didn't follow the rules that we wanted him to follow (like, for instance, stay on the curb and don't step onto the asphalt while waiting for the bus, or wait for the green light before crossing). I mean, seriously he'd throw a tantrum.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:38:26 AM EST
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At that stage the ability for realpolitik clearly hasn't developed ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:39:56 AM EST
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Like all 4-year-olds he now has an exaggerated sense of property.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:46:05 AM EST
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The problem will be if he doesn't grow out of it ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:48:22 AM EST
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He did grow out of freedom (his "escape artist" phase).

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:52:49 AM EST
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What is fairness? I would define it as a sense of justice, that like you say, attempts to compensate innate injustices (luck). Like a boxing match is made fair by matching similar weight boxers. I dont think there is such a mechanism operating in nature.

I think humans have this developed abillity (maybe only in degree, but to a MUCH higher degree), to put ourselves in other people shoes. It's all there in the frontal part of the brain. It's not outside Nature.
But thats where our sense of fairness may o riginate. The realization that "There but for fortune go you and i".

by Torres on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 08:15:15 AM EST
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I dont think there is such a mechanism operating in nature.

There manifestly is if it operates in humans. It's also been shown - to the extent one can do such a thing without telepathy - in other primates and I can argue for similiar behaviours in other social animals.

Cats don't need a sense of fairness: they're not social.

Where and why does empathy arise? Why would empathy necessarily lead to justice or fairness?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 08:26:49 AM EST
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Where and why does empathy arise? Why would empathy necessarily lead to justice or fairness?

Here is a possible answer:

MIRROR NEURONS AND THE BRAIN IN THE VAT

by Torres on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 10:03:55 AM EST
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Monkeys have a sense of Fairness say primatologists.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 09:38:44 PM EST
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Yes... it is soemthing that we should use aone and again anda gain. They can not turn it around.

Freedom is much more maleable concept than fairness.

Probably because freedom has changed along the time to mean so many different things (freedom of movemente is the main one now... biut tit did not exist as such ... freedom was about...improving in the ladder..go figure) while fariness concept is the same for quite some centuries ( acouple?) because nobody care about it before.

How do you take fairness and do not let fuck us with freedom? I think once again the answer is double narrative. Our narrative for freedom will have tofight in their turf. For fairness we can make our own narratives....or just kept them and bang them more.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 03:40:12 PM EST
Good work, kcurie, I was getting together a comment where I would say that you would say that "free" was their word and we should attack it, and "fair" was ours and we should defend it. It's not creating a false dichotomy as Migeru says, it's looking at these memes as they are used.

A "real-life" example is free trade / fair trade in foods. The globalisers would say that constraints (opposite of freedom) on trade cause inefficiency, high prices, and, ultimately, lower aggregate sales of, say, coffee. Fair trade is a system that imposes constraints -- long-term contracts and joint management of those contracts. However, it's a system that guarantees a stable, reasonably profitable price to small producers in under-developed or developing countries, that allows them to make long-term plans and investment that will also ultimately be to the consumer's advantage because it favorizes stable, homogenous supply and a trend towards higher quality. It's fair because it allows poor people to earn a decent living from their work while offering those who pay a little bit more a guarantee of quality and stability.

Meanwhile, "free" trade is only apparently an absence of constraints. As usual, the concept of "freedom" conveniently ignores the existence of differences in power and influence. "Freedom" is first and foremost for the free, and the most free on coffee markets are the big agrifood transnationals. Their influence, power, and freedom are immeasurably greater than mine as a consumer, or that of the coffee producer of Kenya or Bolivia. Free trade will produce winners and losers, and the winners will be the big corporations, while I will be told I'm lucky to be getting a lower price (with no quality guarantee), and the producer will be locked into an industrial-type sale of his product over which he has no control.

"Free" trade isn't absence of constraints, it's a matter of who applies constraints and makes money out of that power. This is why the economic liberals have a corpse between their teeth when they speak of freedom. They're not in favour of freedom. They're even strongly against it : they are generally all for the rights of private property, whether it be intellectual or material. There, they can be extremely law'n'order. They're a hundred per cent for constraints, for instance, on the power of violent men to mug them in the street.

But in economic matters they have successfully promoted this ideal world of theory where the socio-economically strong have the right to take advantage of the weak for their own good (you'll see, it all works out for the best). And to call it "freedom".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 04:36:38 PM EST
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This morning I saw in a London supermarket... Cut flowers, same price, same quality, now fairtrade!

Maybe the cut roses used to come from Kenya all along and I just never noticed, but fair trade or not fair trade flying cut flowers from Kenya to the UK it batshit lunacy!

How about sensible trade?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 04:08:40 AM EST
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It's certainly crazy to fly goods around like this, but I fail to see what it has to do with the concept of fair trade.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 05:12:00 AM EST
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To paraphrase a famous quip, every time I hear the word "freedom" I reach for my gun. It's one of those words that you can hang any old coat on and get an emotional kick for free if you're part of that crowd. For the rest of us, it's been reduced to a logo in the realm of signery, co-opted by the ruling classes to hard market what amounts to slavery. So much the better if it's voluntary as La Boétie so aptly explained, though "slavery of the many" as the foundation of "freedom of the few" is usually imposed.

Perhaps your phrase is unintentional irony but it very well illustrates the dark heart of freedom.

Freedom is the fundamental value that Western Civilisation is built upon and it part of our heavy burden that we must press it upon the less enlightened parts of the world.

By "less enlightened parts of the world", I read Congo, Darfur, Iraq, Chechnya where freedom takes its toll. There is very little "fairness" or "freedom" in the indiscriminate exploitations of primary resources in the less enlightened parts of the world so that we may enjoy the comforts of our "freedoms." The problem in the West has been around since the Greeks slaughtered or enslaved Barbarians in the name of Greek freedom. Slavery and freedom are the same coin, not because they are opposing concepts but because freedom necessitates slavery.

The two fundamental documents of the United States, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution together with its amendments, only use the word freedom once. The word appears in the first amendment as "freedom of speech." A similar term, liberty, is only used one time in the Declaration of Independence and most likely with a concrete significance (...certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.) On the contrary the word Right or Rights appears ten times in the Declaration and fifteen times in the Constitution. Apparently the founding fathers were interested in the fundamental, unalienable and non-negotiable rights of humankind.

In present day Italy we witness the onslaught on unalienable rights in the name of freedom. A recent analysis points out how the word, freedom, is fundamental to Berlusconi's message. His party is called the House of Freedoms or the pole of Freedom. The Statutes of his party begins with these commandments: "We believe in Freedom, in all of its multiple and vital forms." And there follows a list of freedoms: freedom of thought and opinion, freedom of expression, freedom of cult and association. These are not presented as rights but as freedoms. By constantly repeating the word, its antithesis is implied: that there is no freedom in Italy. Berlusconi is depicted as the defender of freedom, the harbinger of freedom against the soviet regime that preceded his Coming.

In his list of freedoms there is "freedom of enterprise, freedom of markets, regulated by certain norms, clear and equal for all"  which he qualifies by declaring "we believe in the mechanisms of free market...which cannot be so if there is not freedom." There is little more here than a surreptitious and sleazy conflation of inalienable rights marketed as freedoms and economic liberalism.

By marketing rights as freedoms, the rightwing resorts to a sort of reverse engineering in which fundamental rights such as health and social security are no longer an obligation of a state but an arbitrary manifestation of generosity on the part of the dominating classes. The rightwing talks about compassion, solidarity, aid for the poor and the needy, where any decent government would try to reduce or eliminate the social conditions of unfairness. In the name of their Freedom the rightwing works to ignore and cancel our rights.

So let's get back to asserting our unalienable Rights. It's the bottom line.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 07:44:09 PM EST
some random thoughts sparked by deGondi's imho astute remark freedom necessitates slavery...

as I have thought about it for many years now, there are two flavours of freedom:  freedom-from and freedom-to.  the old cliché has it that "your freedom to swing your arm about stops when your fist meets my nose," or slightly translated, your freedom-to swing arms at random conflicts with my freedom-from having my nose punched, and in this case my freedom-from triumphs.

if you want freedom-from something like tedious repetitive menial labour, for example, then either you have to forgo the things that menial labour gains, or you have to make someone else do the labour.  in ancient Greece a small percentage of propertied males enjoyed freedom-from such menial tasks as cooking, washing up, laundry, farming, etc. and had the leisure (freedom-to) have long meaningful discussions on Democracy and Freedom.  they could do this because they had slaves, i.e. people who had neither kind of freedom -- neither freedom-from anything their owners cared to do to them, nor freedom-to (make a different choice, walk away, etc).

in a gatherer-hunter band, nobody had freedom-from the daily repetitive tasks of collecting food.  OTOH they had far more freedom-to than the average Attic slave or domestic female;  wandering was limited only by the riskiness of venturing too far from the rest of the band, sharing was somewhat negotiable, and relatively few hours of labour (which could be very sociable) were required for basic caloric intake;  the rest of the time was more or less leisure/social (freedom-from strenuous effort, freedom-to hang about, nap, talk, do art, tell stories).

it seems fairly self-evident that if you don't want to clean your room, either you have to reconcile yourself to a dirty room or you have to get someone else to do the boring or nasty task of cleaning it (so that you can have "freedom" from that task).  but if it is a boring or nasty task... well, the odds are that no one will be lining up to clean your room for the sheer rollicking fun of the job.  so a room-cleaner will have to have limited freedom-to, i.e. limited choices which would constrain them from choosing to do something more interesting or fun.

neolib/neocon rhetoric about freedom often does a bit of legerdemain here and dwells on the room-cleaner's freedom-to take this nasty job.  limited choices, a reduction of freedom-to which might be a result of structural discrimination, misfortune, or simply overproduction ("excess labour pool"), are erased.  the lack of freedom-from poverty, freedom-from hunger, freedom-from land enclosure, armed violence, etc., are called "comparative advantage" in the jargon of global finance, and twisted into freedom-to work in a maquiladora 12 hrs/day for starvation wages...

the imbalance of freedom which makes Person A willing to take the dirty job for low pay, which Person B wishes to have freedom from, would be rectified immediately if we (I and people like me are in the relatively happy Person B position wrt many of the dirty jobs) had to pay Person A what we would have to be paid to make us do that job.  that should be a fair wage.  ah, but then "we couldn't afford it," and might have to think about doing it ourselves.

without that restriction of freedoms (comparative disadvantage) the level of convenience (convenience equals reduction of time invested for a desired outcome, which equals more leisure time, or more freedom-from exertion or necessity) enjoyed by the relatively affluent would not be possible.  but this fairly obvious point is often swept under the rhetorical rug by conflating comparative disadvantage with specialisation, i.e. "some people have a gift for wood carving and they choose to pursue a career in carving duck decoys, and some people have a gift for scrubbing vomit out of toilets and they choose to clean night club and hotel rest rooms."

of course another way that we moderns have engineered freedom-from menial labour is by using energy slaves (hat tip to Ivan Illich).  most of our laundry in the affluent West is done by motorised equipment.  our potable water comes out of a pipe in the wall, under powered pressure.  some of us are even too bloody lazy to walk and can be carried about on high tech gyroscopic palanquins (Segways) :-)  we don't have to chop wood or carry water;  fossil fuels and (mostly-fossil) electricity provides us with the equivalent of a whole army of slaves at our beck and call 24x7.

but in order to provide the fossil fuel and other resources necessary for the creation and maintenance of these armies of energy slaves we have (a) killed a lot of people, which has to be the ultimate deprivation of both kinds of freedom, (b) contributed greatly to conditions that squash people's freedoms of both flavours (despotic governments, land enclosures and population displacements, food theft, and now biopiracy and the accelerating dispossession of peasant farmers).  not unlike our friends the ancient Greeks, our freedom-from many of the tedious or menial tasks of maintaining human life is obtained at the cost of other people's freedoms-from and -to...

hmmm... these zero-sum freedoms (my freedom-from means taking away your freedoms from-or-to) remind me of Illich's distinction between convivial and nonconvivial technologies and amenities.  a convivial technology or amenity, he said, was one whose utility or benefit increased the more people used it, or was evenly distributed among the maximum number of people.  a nonconvivial amenity or technology was one whose utility diminished with ubiquity, or was inherently unvulgarisable.  

the "diminishes with ubiquity" type is just a synonym for "arms race" or "smart for one dumb for all," and there are many examples;  I'd pick the private automobile in high-density urban areas as a very obvious example.  the more people try to exercise the freedom-from that the automobile offers (freedom from exertion, from exposure to elements and to fellow citizens, from schedules or timetables, from noise and personal hazard) the more they negate the freedom-from of others (freedom from noise, from road danger, from pollution and stenches, from delayed buses and taxis held up in private auto traffic jams, etc).  see Mayer Hillman and others on the severe restrictions on children's autonomy and freedoms, for example, where private auto transport dominates.  after motorists reach a certain density they impede their own and everyone else's freedom-to (move about freely) by creating gridlock (as even the WSJ has recently admitted, causing jaws to drop).  there is enormous utility for the first 10 people to own a car in an urban area.  for the last half million people, the utility may approach negative returns.  smart for one, dumb for all.

Illich's classic example of a nonvulgarisable amenity was "a house by the sea with a view."  there is only so much coast.  if everyone had an equal share of "a house by the sea with a view" the house lots (and houses) would be about the thickness of a sheet of cardboard and completely useless as either house or view.  if the amenity is preserved then only a small number of people can benefit, and all others are disbenefited.  if the coast is maintained as a public-access zone however, then almost everyone shares a fairly equal amount of freedom-to enjoy the coast, along with a fairly equal amount of not having freedom-from their fellow citizens in their visual or personal space.

in general, "freedom" is defined in prevailing neolib discourse as freedom-to;  everyone is free to choose this that and the other thing (to swing their arms freely).  freedom-from is much less energetically defended (freedom-from constant visual and aural intrusion of advertising, for example, or from industrial, road, aircraft and "entertainment" noise, or from exposure to industrial toxins and pollutants)...

well anyway, deGondi's post sent me off on a ramble here...  I guess my point, if there is one, is that when someone talks about Freedom I would like to know (a) is it freedom-from, and if so, from what?  (b) is it freedom-to, and if so from what?  (c) who else's freedom is involved, and is this a convivial freedom or a zero-sum game?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 01:40:45 AM EST
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(b) is it freedom-to, and if so from what?

oops.  obviously shoulda been and if so, to do what?  hey, I only had half a glass of wine... :-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 01:42:02 AM EST
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Where is Jerome when we need him to frontpage DeAnander's writing? Tilting at windmills, probably.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 04:13:36 AM EST
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PLEASE DO NOT FRONTPAGE

seriously, this was just thinking out loud.  I may come back one day with a more orderly exposition drawing on the same themes ("risk and freedom" as J Adams wrote), but this is not frontpage stuff.

surely if I am a frontpager-in-lurking that means I get some editorial say over not putting uncooked musings on the frontpage, no?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 05:41:35 PM EST
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Perhaps your phrase is unintentional irony but it very well illustrates the dark heart of freedom.

No, that would be intentional irony.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 02:34:51 AM EST
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Couldn't this all go in the debate department?
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Apr 21st, 2006 at 02:40:20 AM EST
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what is meant by freedom. It is bandied around so much and by so many these days and everyone using the expression seems to have a diferent understanding of meaning. The beauty of using the label "freedom" is that everyone wants freedom, but not everyone wants freedom as defined by someone else. And many exponents of freedom seem to have a version that means others become chained.
Anyway maybe rather than trying to find alternatives to "freedom" we need to see if there is a common definition of freedom that we can agree on and champion rather than just leaving the word to Bush and the boys.  
by observer393 on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 10:30:05 PM EST


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