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Peak Uranium was 25 years ago

by Helen Wed Jun 7th, 2006 at 05:34:45 PM EST

An interesting article by Michael Meacher MP on the subject of the futility of Tony Blair's dash for nuclear power. His major point is that "Peak Uranium" was passed in the 80s and that policies based on reliance on nuclear power are liable to end in tears..

http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1791356,00.html

Selected quotes below;-

One of the most serious reasons for opposing Tony Blair's premature go-ahead for nuclear power has so far not been mentioned. .......... The key issue is whether adequate supplies of uranium are available. They are not.

Do we now want to repeat the same mistake with nuclear as with oil ? The supply of uranium has already reached its peak, in 1981. There are 440 nuclear reactors worldwide, and the world produces just over half the uranium ore these plants consume each year.

So there's a problem. What about supply ?

At present, the gap is filled by using the plutonium from dismantled cold war nuclear weapon stockpiles. But this source is drying up and will end by 2013, so the industry is trying to find and develop new uranium mines, mainly in Canada, Australia and Kazakhstan.

However, those under development will fill only half the current gap, not to mention new demand from the 28 nuclear plants under construction worldwide, added to China's plan to build 30 new plants by 2020. As a result, about a quarter of nuclear power plants could be forced to shut down within a decade because of a lack of fuel.

China is already scrambling to corner contracts for uranium ore, and uranium prices have soared by 400% over the past six years.  While the element uranium is commonly available, concentrated uranium ore suitable for energy is limited. Uranium ore is rock containing uranium mineralisation in concentrations that can be mined economically.

And the implication for prices is...?

Meanwhile, as demand rises and supplies fail to keep up, a 10-fold increase in the price of uranium over the next few years is not impossible. The Canadian, Australian and Russian governments clearly will not allow their own nuclear plants to close as a result of shortages, leaving the rest of the world - including the UK, which has no indigenous supplies of uranium - even more at the mercy of a fast diminishing market.

And his conclusion ?

Against this background, to shell out on a new round of reactors in the UK at £2bn a time, and then within a decade have to close perhaps 25% of them, must surely be the ultimate folly.

· Michael Meacher was environment minister 1997-2003.


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It is unfortunate that Meacher doesn't name the sources for his numbers - it makes his quotes unusable in the ongoing ET debate.

This seems to have been timed (but doesn't reference) the latest OECD/IAEA estimate for mineable deposits, which was (again) rather optimistic (but that optimism would be worth little if nuclear would get the high share globally which would make it significant as greenhouse gas emissions reducer).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jun 7th, 2006 at 05:44:06 PM EST
yes I'd like to know where Meacher got his numbers.  politicians never footnote their speeches :-(

"overcapitalised" seems to me an important concept to add to my list of skeptical memes.  I think it showed up in ericy's discussion of peak oil...  it's a commonality between corporate ag, factory trawlers, and megaproject power gen schemes... capital-intensive in more than once sense;  such schemes are dependent on huge inputs of monetary and energy capital to get started, but they are also net consumers of global capital (energy, biota, the infrastructure of life)... [wanders off looking thoughtful]

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Jun 7th, 2006 at 07:21:05 PM EST
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Breeder reactors would extend the amount of useful fuel by (probably) about 100 years. It's not on the table for fear that it can be diverted to weapons use.

This is a stupid reason, we already have enough loose nukes that if this were a serious concern this problem would have been taken care of already.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 7th, 2006 at 07:38:13 PM EST
I don't see the logic of your second paragraph. Weapons production at present is nowhere near as widespread as breeder reactors would have to be to play a significant role in supplying global energy needs.

There are other concerns with breeders BTW. I long owe a diary on new reactor types (but again abadoned it last weekend seeing Jérôme's darkened mood).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 03:18:10 AM EST
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Oh, and for the benefit of the pro-nuclear folks here, breeders would in theory extend the time a lot more than 100 years.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 03:19:34 AM EST
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thanks, i was not aware about this uranium peak, i will add this commodity to my portfolio ;-)

"    * Production from world uranium mines now supplies only 55% of the requirements of power utilities.
    * Mine production is supplemented principally by ex-military material.
    * World mine production will need to expand significantly post 2005. "

http://www.uic.com.au/nip36.htm

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Jun 7th, 2006 at 09:17:34 PM EST
Environment Minister 1997-2003... Interesting... Was Meacher sacked by Blair when it became obvious that he needed to start pushing for nuclear again? When was the current "energy policy review" started?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 05:39:59 AM EST
Meacher resigned on the issue of genetically engineered crops, which was the last straw. Unfortunately, he blew a lot of credibility when he went all conspiracy theory on 9/11 in an op-ed for the Guardian.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 05:48:15 AM EST
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I have very different numbers, well I have read very different numbers.

I would like some kind of report about it. I can understand that nowadays it is maybe easier to use old material and than mine it..but regarding quantitiy of uranium on the earth.. my numbers were much more larger. Mining operations should just start.

I would change my opinion as soon as I can check the numbers and cross-check...

Thnaks Helen for the diary!!!

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 07:09:49 AM EST
Production has stagnated in recent years for two simple reasons:

  • almost no reactors built in the past 25 years, thus little growth in demand,
  • utilisation of material from the dismantling of the nuclear bomb arsenal


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 09:45:50 AM EST
But this source is drying up and will end by 2013, so the industry is trying to find and develop new uranium mines, mainly in Canada, Australia and Kazakhstan.

However, those under development will fill only half the current gap, not to mention new demand from the 28 nuclear plants under construction worldwide



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 09:51:13 AM EST
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To quote Jancovici:

Anyhow we can shift to surgenerators and use Uranium 238 or Thorium 232 (which are available in quantities that could last us thousands of years).

(cf. Superphénix, which was abandoned due to countless minor technical flaws, led mass opinion to accept that surgeneration was impossible ... people have forgetten that Superpéhix was only a prototype, which actually produced electricity for years before being shut down, not the least because the Greens came to power with the Socialists and said "schtoppen zi").

by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 10:01:13 AM EST
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(as this thread is about the peak of Uranium 235)
by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 10:02:11 AM EST
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No, there were some rather major technical flaws, yes it was a prototype but intended for production and so unreliable that in the end it was "saved" as research plant, but the actual grant of operation permit was illicit and quashed in court, and that before the new government came into power. The new government can be lauded to not try to upturn that decision again and sink more billions into the ground.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 10:05:59 AM EST
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Superphénix's cost ended up becoming higher than expected because of the months and months of being in a stopped state (stopped so that every precaution could be checked over and over again after some flaw was found, of course, but also often stopped because of administrative & politic turmoil. it was turned off during 3/4 of its lifetime).

It was more of a slander victim if you ask me than a failure.

by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 10:30:35 AM EST
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How does the second paragraph follow from the first?

And how come another breakdown followed those according to you over-careful checks? IIRC there have been four major and three moderate breakdowns, the first major already during the initial runup. If anything, this points not to a slander victim but a failure maintained against all reason for too long.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 12:33:39 PM EST
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The 2nd paragraph is a general conclusion on Superphénix, which you will have to agree with as soon as I turn on my hypnotic voice.
by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Jun 8th, 2006 at 01:14:31 PM EST
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I believe in breeders, yet I cannot defend superphenix as anything else than a good lesson as to "bad design choices for breeders". I would gladly have a nuclear plant in my back yard, but certainly not one with hundreds of tons of liquid sodium !! All breeders based on sodium cooling (including IFR, whatever the promises of waste elimination it holds) are nuts, that's my deepest feeling.

We need to do research into thorium breeding, which doesn't require sodium cooling, or otherwise separate the breeding from the electricity production: if breeding plutonium, don't try recover the heat with such a calamitous fluid.

Pierre
by Pierre on Fri Jun 9th, 2006 at 10:39:10 AM EST
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There is one logic mistake here: burning plutonium from decommissionned bomb is not a consequence of lack of uranium ore. It is exactly the other way around actually.

Bombs were decommissionned as a consequence of START treaties, whose lengthy implementation led to results only 20 years later on the MOX market (mixed uranium-plutonium fuel). It caused a uranium price crunch, closure of mines, drop in production. It is not a geological peak.

And more, most existing reactor designs can be adapted to breed thorium, which is several times more abundant than uranium, available in Scandinavia (guess why it was named so in the first place), and entirely fissile (unlike uranium where only <1% is fissile). Which means thorium nuclear power has several hundreds of times the reserves of uranium.

And if this still isn't enough, there is 3 ppm uranium in seawater, and that becomes economically recoverable if uranium is ~1000$/kg (which has a ridiculously small impact on utility costs).

Pierre
by Pierre on Fri Jun 9th, 2006 at 10:33:22 AM EST


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