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Open Thread - Friday Evening

by whataboutbob Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 11:16:09 AM EST

Heading off into the weekend...

What's going on in your corner of the world?


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The Swiss call this a "schnäggli"...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 11:17:01 AM EST
and they answer: "je härzig".
by Fran on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 11:19:27 AM EST
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And the Swedes calls it a "snigel".

And yet again we find this Swiss-Swedish connection...

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 11:40:33 AM EST
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And sometimes my process is like a schnäggli...I can move slowly but steadily forward...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 11:44:22 AM EST
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isch doch guet, nun
by cigonia on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 12:01:46 PM EST
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How about "snail"? (Old English snaegel)

The supposed Germanic root is snag- or sneg-.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 05:05:18 PM EST
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"We don't do body counts"

Haaretz: Army set to call up thousands of reservists; IAF planes pound Lebanon's main road link to Syria (21/07/2006)

GOC Northern Command Major General Udi Adam said Friday that Israel is at war and that human life is important, but now is not the time to count the dead.

The Northern Command believes that the fighting in the north will continue for several more weeks, with additional casualties and fatalities.

"We must change our way of thinking. Human life is important, but we are at war, and it costs human lives. We won't count the dead at present, only at the end. We'll cry for the dead and will encourage the fighters. There are more places like Meron A-Ras, and unfortunately we'll have to reach them."

It is rather clear that, in the "global war for hearts and minds", Israel and the US think they speak to exactly the same people, because they use the same rhetorical devices.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 12:01:26 PM EST
I like photojournalism so this unfortunately all in German is a very nice combination of Google (I think) map and narrated history - along one of the longest buildings in the world.

These pictures are equally interesting (about the comparative turbulence measurements of the the Airbus 350 and a Boeing.

Great pictures really, but clicking is so complicated...

by PeWi on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 12:45:00 PM EST
That is a truly awesome building.

I recall we happened upon that structure in '91. It was entirely vacated and decaying even then, and had a very hostile aspect. Needless to say we didn't stick around to check it out.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 01:02:57 PM EST
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I somehow missed it when I went in 1991, to busy swimming naked in the see I guess.
by PeWi on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 02:59:32 PM EST
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to busy swimming naked in the see I guess.

You went skinny dipping at the bishop's residence? ;)

by MarekNYC on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 03:03:54 PM EST
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neeeeeee.

Although I almost could have. - sort off.

About 10 years ago when my brother moved to Bavaria one of the places he looked to buy where in Marktl am Inn. A family called Ratzinger used to live in the house. He didn't buy it in the end.

by PeWi on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 03:17:34 PM EST
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That's astonishing.

Almost literally a Soviet Bloc.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 02:54:12 PM EST
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But it was actually built by Hitler.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 22nd, 2006 at 05:23:53 AM EST
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I'm probably out of here for the rest of the day.  Hoping to get the diary on comparative advantage up either tomorrow or Sunday when I get to the hotel.  But, for now, it's packing time, then time with the old ball and chain, and, finally, off to Angle-land in the morning...

...so behave yourselves, because I'll be in the neighborhood on Sunday.

Miguel, I'll send you an email later tonight on meeting up in London.  My father and I are staying at the Travelodge on what appears to be the edge of the City.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 03:13:43 PM EST
Have a good trip!  Take lots of pictures!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 03:52:01 PM EST
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Interesting comment from the poet Adonis:

For Paris-based Syrian poet Adonis, only Lebanon can "prompt the development of a secular civilian society" in the Middle East. The Arab states "won't stop being 'theocracies', despite superficially conforming to democratic norms, simply because their power is 'naturally' rooted, and also because of how they view non-Muslims. In addition, if Israel's democracy were based on diversity and pluralism, this would contradict the exclusive self-understanding of the Jewish people, which sees itself as the chosen people, without diversity or pluralism. So in both human and cultural terms, a Lebanese democracy in this part of the world would be a radical and enduring transgression of the status quo, simply because it would be more open, richer, more persuasive and more enticing."

by Upstate NY on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 05:08:31 PM EST
I've been surrounded by the Eurosceptic British press for too long. That snail with the EU flag instantly brought to mind some sort of snide comment about "EU bureaucrats in Brussels issuing diktats..." or something similar.
by Mephistopheles (J.F.Bargh@student.salford.ac.uk) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 05:43:27 PM EST
Condi Rice was just on the radio saying that what is going on in Lebanon is "just birthing pangs of a new Middle East" and she has no desire whatsoever for a ceasefire or diplomacy (because that would just return everything to the status quo.)

I'm going to vomit.

Help.  These people are monsters.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 05:50:13 PM EST
You and your boyfriend can sleep on our futon. We'll figure out the details of your asylum application once you get here ;-)

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 05:58:40 PM EST
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Well, thank you for the offer. :)

But given the path the US is on, I'm not sure any country is safe...  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:02:28 PM EST
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What will you do when Condi is inaugurated in January 2009?

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:10:55 PM EST
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You know...

It is quite interesting, this idea of yours, and something I should write a diary on.  For the most part, we're going to try to prevent that.  And I personally find comments that dismiss such efforts out of hand to be unproductive, no, counterproductive.

I'm feeling quite senstive about the general consensus that the US is completely stupid/evil/out of control, etc. (which is largely correct) and the simultaneous belittlement of efforts on the part of Americans, however small, to change things.  It seems to me we are being held responsible for the actions of our government, (and we are effectively, but not directly, as they are almost entirely out of our control) but not for our own actual actions against this government.  If the rest of the world looks at America and sees it as a lost cause, and does nothing to support, encourage, aid what is now the equivalent of some Resistance, but insteads laughs at their efforts, I hold the rest of the world reponsible too.

Like I said, this deserves a diary...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:20:54 PM EST
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If you can get your hands on a transcript I'd appreciate a link, or a diary.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 05:59:58 PM EST
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She just gave a press conference.  Videos are all over the place but I don't know how to locate a transcript.  Nothing is up on the State Department's website yet.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:23:03 PM EST
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The [Lebanon] Daily Star: Rice dismisses growing pressure for cease-fire (July 22, 2006)
Rice dismissed growing pressure for an immediate cease-fire, calling it a "false promise" if the root causes of the conflict are not addressed.

"An immediate cease-fire without political conditions does not make sense," she said.

She said US troops were not anticipated in any expanded international peace force for Lebanon. She said any international force in Lebanon needed to be "robust."

Now we know why Bush told Blair he shouldn't go to the Middle East to "lay the groundwork" for Rice. Blair probably believed he would be going to seek a ceasefire.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:31:40 PM EST
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I'm having visions of her posing for photo-ops on an Israeli tank.
by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:55:53 PM EST
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The Stop the War Coalition is holding emergency demonstrations tomorrow (the 22nd) in major UK cities.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:13:19 PM EST
Off I go. It will be another useless gesture, just like 3 1/2 years ago, but it needs to be done.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 22nd, 2006 at 06:10:15 AM EST
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Man, that was depressing, so I left early. Too many Hezbollah flags, and placards with "We are all Hizbullah" or pictures of Nasrallah. Not that that was majoritary, but it was significant. There easily could have been 100,000 people there, about 1/3 muslim solidarity groups with Lebanon flags, 1/3 hard left, and 1/3 peaceniks. A lot of recycled placards, too, against the Iraq war, or against the Palestine occupation.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 22nd, 2006 at 02:29:12 PM EST
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I went and checked what the refuseniks had to say about the situation in Lebanon...
  • Oznik has links to items on Lebanon on the left margin, but its most prominent headline dates from April 18, and is about Gaza.
  • Yesh Vgul's top three news items are about Lebanon.
  • seruv's silence is deafening.
  • New Profile has nothing since last month
  • Refuser Solidarity Network also has no news since last month.

Yesh Vgul links to the following Haaretz story.
Haaretz: Fighting produces first conscientious objector (July 20, 2006)
The Lebanon 2006 war has produced its first conscientious objector - Staff Sergeant Itzik Shabbat, a 28-year-old TV producer. He refused to comply with an emergency order (Tsav 8) to report today for reserve duty in the territories in order to free forces in the standing army for the war in Lebanon.

Shabbat, a resident of Sderot, had not yet decided last night whether he would go to his reserve unit today and announce there that he was refusing to do reserve duty or whether he would not report at all and be considered absent.

"I know people will attack me and ask how could I not take part in this war when Qassams are falling on my hometown and Katyushas on the towns in the north," he told Haaretz. "In my opinion, only this type of opposition that I've chosen will put an end to the madness that is going on now and will shatter the false feeling that the entire home front supports this unnecessary war that is based on deceptive considerations."

There will also be a demonstration in Tel Aviv tomorrow against the war.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 06:25:15 PM EST
On the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, my favourite author - and actor -, is Uri Avnery, from Gush Shalom.
In the latest on-line number of from Current Concerns, updated yesterday, you can find several interesting pieces on this long war that shows the hypocrisy of our time, namely an interview by John Pilger. The interviewed person is a father of a victim of a suicide bomber, a man who did not forget other people's loss. He shares with us a very lucid and sensitive perspective. It is a beautiful testimony.

I had the pleasure to listen a very famous botanist. He used to travel throughout the world. One of its theories, one which we used to experiment in its person, was that a plant who has a powerful toxic in one part of its body, has an adequate antidote on a different organ. It is ironical that precisely the Jewish culture, who grew its amazing strength from the geopolitical weakness of its people, has given birth to the current statesman, who have no consideration to the political costs of starting unnecessary wars of aggression. The toxin appeared later.

As life and kindness must take priority, I leave you with the remembering and refreshing of the thoughts of Gen. Moshe Dayan of the Vietnam war, and the transposition of that analysis to the present Iraq war. A work done by Martin van Creveld. Incidentally, while I was looking for the web ref., I found Jérôme acknowledging this document, but I did not find a ref. to the actual document in ET.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Fri Jul 21st, 2006 at 09:07:19 PM EST


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