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USA (democrats) and Kosovo...Sound and Fury

by vbo Thu Jan 11th, 2007 at 09:21:40 PM EST

Read this:

Sound and Fury

http://antiwar.com/malic/

and tell me what you think???


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I think you could make an interesting post out of this if you present some of Malic's arguments and add a bit of your own perspective on the matter.

Give it a try. There are more than a few who will be sympathetic to this view.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Thu Jan 11th, 2007 at 10:47:28 PM EST
I think I made my self very clear, on many occasions, where I stand on Kosovo and whole ex-Yu subject, but people here on ET look like they want the whole mess to be "buried and forgotten" ASP and I bet most of them believe that everything is going to be just perfect if only they find somebody on Serbian side to sign their perfect deal. La -la land ...
I posted this piece because I tend to agree with Malic on practically everything he wrote here.
Things with USA were written on the wall much prior to the Bush but it so convenient to think that Bush is the only one guilty that things are going so wrong ,  especially cause EU through the NATO has its hands up to elbows in ex YU mess.
That's why I ask again for your opinion, your view on what the solutions are for Kosovo.
What do you think USA should / should not do in Kosovo case...?
Those who think that it's as simple as proclaiming Kosovo independence from Serbia should not bother to answer...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 04:56:46 AM EST
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people here on ET look

I assume you meant "some people here on ET"?

I think for most of us "mess" would be the appropriate word, and that many have had their belief in the media line on the mess in question thoroughly undermined. Not that I'm inclined to believe in the saintliness of the Serbian side either.

At this stage, I suspect solutions for Kosovo are "they're all screwed" or "they're all fucked". Do you have any solutions that don't lead to some sort of serious violence in twenty years time? Another case that doesn't have any good solutions that can be imposed from the inside or any good solutions coming from the inside.

Best thing I can think of is some sort of temporary measure, re-build the economy and civil society and try to mediate a permanent solution that looks after all side's interests in twenty years time when it all threatens to blow up again.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 05:07:03 AM EST
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Everyone is tired of Kosovo and Balkan ( me too) but it's not to say that these are things that can just go like that. If Europe really meant good it wouldn't let this happen to Balkan at the first place. Before the wars in ex-YU an international conference should be put in place with all sides and key international players present and borders should be drawn accordingly to deals there . In the end it will have to happen at some point anyway. Now it's not that easy after the war and so much blood and so much migrations...still there is no other way.
Cards looked to be dealt at the time but there are more games and more dealings...USA and EU play simple: punish  Serbia - award vassals ...that's simply recipe for another disaster in even less then 20 years...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:09:03 AM EST
Europeans did a horrible job. I was horrified to see France and Germany fall over themselves in their rush to recognise their WWI allies (Serbia and Croatia respectively). Hopefully we've learnt the lesson...

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:11:29 AM EST
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