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Open Thread - Sunday Evening

by afew Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 12:16:30 PM EST

Pierre Bonnard

Devant la fenÍtre au Grand-Lemps


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E-mail news of glomp aka Alex in Toulouse: weary of counting pennies, he has set off on a violent splurge of something known as "work", meaning 16 tons an' whaddya get, or, in his case, a pretty tough day job + a pretty tough night job.

Soon he will be working as an assistant teacher in a collège (= junior high or middle school) which has a special Roma class.

He lurks here at times but has had no time to comment for a while. Sends everyone a hearty "Ahoy there, lubbers!". Let's hope he'll get into a steadier rhythm and be back here commenting.

Sorely missed.

(His blog in French is Glomp)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 12:42:53 PM EST
I have really missed him - send my regards!

And thanks for another Bonnard - delicious as ever.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 12:54:38 PM EST
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Dito - not much I can add to Sven's comment.
by Fran on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:05:34 PM EST
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GLOOOOOOOMMMMMMP!!!!  We miss youuuuuuuuu!!!!

Y'all come back soon, now, y'hear?

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:11:49 PM EST
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Maybe he'd cross-post to EuroTrib.fr, if that existed?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:17:48 PM EST
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I don't think he has much time at the moment even to post on his own blog, but no doubt he would post and cross-post to a French ET. I hope he'll soon give up the mad pursuit of filthy lucre and get his sorry self back here, too (he is perfectly bilingual).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:11:15 PM EST
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Aloha afewski, and all of you others!
Passing through, been missing ET but indeed busy as hell.

Just one note: the night job (night grocery vendor - an ideal job for sociological studies) is only on weekends, so is compatible with day jobs during the week. Besides, the 2 day jobs are also both part-time: one starts only in March and will be 3 days a week (teaching Roma teenagers how to read and write in a state high school), and the other is only 2 days a week (lifting crates, makes me feel communist and worker class - it's good to interact with bourgeois people when I do). If you add my software project and my blog to these 3 part-time jobs, you can understand why I'm kind of synched out of time.

Take care all, will be back, will lurk, will comment!

by glomp on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:15:29 PM EST
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Pass those well wishes on...

Thought of him this weekend, thinking that ET is sorely missing a regular dose of stupendous anecdotes and people replying to themselves - areas wherein Alex superbly excelled.

Ever so rarely I peek at his blog, but feel too intimidated...

Thanks for the update, afew!

by Nomad on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:33:56 PM EST
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My anecdote capital will increase from the night job.

It's amazing, for starters, to interact with drunken people when you're not (first time in my life). It's also  incredible to deal with tough nuts on a regular basis (wannabe gangstas, intimidators etc) while staying calm (the trick is to always stay calm, laugh, be super friendly, and they don't bother getting agressive).

All in all you can't even begin to imagine the tons of anecdotes you pile up on any given evening ... from the amount of people who drop stuff (keys etc) which you find once they're gone (they'll be sleeping outside), who don't remember where they live ... to the habits that people have at night (you get weirdos, wackos, eccentrics, grandmas who walk their dog at 3am, policemen who come and hassle you, etc etc etc ... very interesting).

I'm confident the Roma kids will be supplying me with piles of anecdotes too.

by glomp on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:24:25 PM EST
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My interest in sociology started with my first job working retail. The store (Target, a less evil version of wal-mart) was located in a neighborhood that brought in people from all walks of life - from homeless people to those that complained to me "my gardener isn't working today, can you assemble this hose reel for me?"

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 10:29:26 PM EST
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Yes!! Hello Alex!! Was wondering where you got to...so good to get an update and hear all is well! Do keep in touch!! Cheers!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon Jan 29th, 2007 at 02:41:29 AM EST
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I apologize if this has been posted already...

How do we get these assholes back to where they came from?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:08:06 PM EST
Speechless.
by balbuz on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:33:14 PM EST
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With a hat tip to Escolar.net

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:36:39 PM EST
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I dunno... this will not be a popular comment I've ever made here, but that's not the most assholish behavior I've ever seen.  From your comment, I was expecting a lot worse.

Then again, that's how ordinary people drive in Cairo, so maybe my standards are slipping.  My car got rear-ended by a donkey cart the other day.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:45:41 PM EST
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I just hope these guys don't get behind the wheel of a Hummer when they go back to the US.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 01:55:53 PM EST
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On an enlisted salary?  Not likely.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:13:01 PM EST
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An asshole would be one who didn't honk and nudge but just ran over you.  I used to have another video showing a convoy in a similar street scene but under continuous gunfire with explosions going off every 30 seconds.  From the audio, one could tell they were scared &&%%$#$less. I would not have wanted to be a smaller vehicle in their way.

I was a pretty wild driver by the time I left Vietnam for jolly ole England.  One of my first acts in London, I believe, was to "slightly" cut someone off as I passed him.  I had to stop a short while later and first thing I knew there was this bloke at my window, he found me on the wrong side of the car eventually, and chewed me out for about 30 minutes.  I apologized till I turned blue but finally had to roll up the window and drive off with him still hammering me.

Needless to say, my driving habits improved after that.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Jan 29th, 2007 at 12:52:07 PM EST
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"My car got rear-ended by a donkey cart the other day."

That must have been an 8-donkey cart. At least.

by balbuz on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:49:50 PM EST
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Two donkeys, and only one of them hit me.  But not as hard as a Humvee.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:08:49 PM EST
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Was the donkey hurt?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 04:48:30 PM EST
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Naaah.  And given the harsh reality of the average donkey's life in Cairo, I'm sure that hitting me wasn't even the worst thing to happen to the poor guy that day.

They're tough, donkeys.  Respect.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:04:24 PM EST
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Come on: We both know that's LA, not Baghdad.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:55:40 PM EST
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It can't be LA.  Nobody's shooting.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:10:59 PM EST
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And the street sign says "City Centre"

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:16:16 PM EST
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Ah yes.  Spelling aside, that's a dead giveaway.  LA has no center.  Or centre.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:22:46 PM EST
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And no pedestrians.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:34:05 PM EST
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Left alive.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 04:49:02 PM EST
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Then what's this sign for? You can find them on highways in California.  Carlos Mencia, a comedian, joked that it looks like the dad is trying to run away from the wife who's dragging the kid along.



And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:45:23 PM EST
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For those wondering.  Yes this is for Mexican migrants, who have disturbing tendency to run across highways in California.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 07:06:59 PM EST
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Hey now.  

It's not these guys fault that the US Army didn't think things through before they sent them over.  It's not their fault they're being shipped off there.  As much as it's convenient to blame these guys, remember the number of US soldiers killed by IEDs, they have to drive like this or they will get trapped and killed.

Now, maybe the Army needs to figure out how to put a fucking siren on the Humvee so that everyone knows to get out of the way if they hear a siren.  Like with an ambulance.  Of course that just announces that they are coming.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:54:22 PM EST
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Another gorgeous painting afew, thank you :)

I spent a fair few hours out playing in the woods with my camera and a borrowed macro lens.  There's a little farm 40 minutes from Cardiff which has goats and donkeys, ducks and pigs and many toddlers pottering about in wellies, patting things and getting muddy.

A muddy duck took a liking to me and nibbled at my coat.


by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:00:10 PM EST
I'd give you a 5 if I could, just for the phrase "muddy duck."

I think I'm going to have to start saying that all the time.  It just sounds good to me.

Muddyduck muddyduck muddyduck muddyduck...

Hmmm.  Much easier to say than to type.

Muddyduck muddyduck...

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:16:18 PM EST
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lol!!!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:19:31 PM EST
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It was nagging at me, me duck, till I remembered the expression "mucky duck". Pubs in England with a "Swan" name, especially "The Black Swan", take on the inevitable nickname of "The Mucky Duck".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:46:44 PM EST
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Mmmm... muckyduck.  Never heard it before, but also fun to say.  Muckyduck muckyduck muckyduck...

For some reason, this all reminds me of a professor I had as an undergrad, back before the dawn of time.  Or, er, at least before the dawn of the internet.

Anyway, said professor (we'll call him Dr. X) taught poetry, and his particular obsession was with the "sounds" of poetry, the way the rhythm and, in particular, the actual phonemes (sibilants, plosives, fricatives etc.) contributed to the feel of the poem.  This kind of stuff.  Dr. X was truly fixated on this, and more inclined to talk about "what the the sssss sounds are doing here" than about the actual meaning of the words.

Anyway, in a different class one day, one of my classmates appeared to have spent a little too much time around Dr. X, because he stood up and gave this long discourse on how the sounds of this particular passage in King Lear were actually re-creating the sounds of the thunderstorm against which Lear raged... etc.  And, in the grand tradition of Dr. X, he was getting a little carried away with the idea.

So the rather dour Shakespeare professor, without missing a beat, raised one eyebrow and said with no small amount of disdain:  "So you're telling me that instead of 'Blow, wind, and crack your cheeks,' Lear could just as well be saying 'Blue wine, and crackers with your cheese,' and it would be the same thing?!"

I have no idea why I remembered that story, and even less idea why I bothered to recount it.  But having typed it all out now, it seems a waste not to post it....

Ah.  Sounds.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 04:30:57 PM EST
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Good story. My feeling is that poetry is meant to be read aloud (even in your head), so the sounds are an essential part of the message. But so many "teachers" of literature will make a stock-in-trade of one aspect of things (as per your link) that they're not sharing anything or leading anyone to understand anything.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 04:50:10 PM EST
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Sounds like Dada to me:

Muddy duck, Muddy duck
Blue wine, and crackers with your cheese
Muddy duck, Muddy duck
Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
Muddy duck, Muddy duck
The green ideas slept, furiously.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 11:44:53 PM EST
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I'm headed out in about an hour to enjoy a last round of drinking and conversation with my good friend before I head to London tomorrow.  Managed to grab a hotel right next to Gatwick Airport, so Tuesday shouldn't involve too much of a race.  And Monday is simply a straight shot down the Victoria line to the station -- a true blessing given that I have about 120 lbs of luggage.

Feeling unbelievably depressed, though, now having successfully dropped out of graduate school (failure and all that), as well as having discovered, to my own shock, that I really miss living in America.  (For all of its flaws, -- and, yes, they are many -- it's home, and I'm happy to be going back.)  But excited.  On my way to Atlanta.  Time to go to work, and to perhaps (stay tuned) even start a business with a friend of mine, if I can get something more solid out of an idea I've been thinking about for some time now.

Plus, hey, it's presidential election season.  Anybody still care to bet against me after the midterms (cough, Mig, cough)? ;)

Still, much I should've said, and a near-infinite amount I should've done.

Maybe next time.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:24:38 PM EST
Good luck, Drew.

You're not leaving ET, though, right?

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:27:26 PM EST
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Fuck no, I'm not leaving -- not until I finally send Jerome over the edge on my smoking rants and get banned. ;)  Probably won't be around much for the next several weeks, but we'll see.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:30:15 PM EST
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Oh, fear not.  It, um, seems to take something a bit more extreme than smoking rants to get banned.  Although it seems we haven't actually figured out what that is yet...

:-0 (cough. did I just say that?)

Anyway, good luck with your move and the next stage.  Keep us posted.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:34:08 PM EST
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Will do.  Thanks.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:37:09 PM EST
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I do hope you'll tell us what happened in recent weeks/months. You kinda promised you would...

As to smoking rants, flame away! We can whine past one another!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:06:40 PM EST
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Will do.  Actually, sounds  like a good project to start now while waiting for food.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 06:27:36 PM EST
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Hey, any plans to meet me to collect your pint before heading off?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:39:45 PM EST
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Sure.  I should be getting in at around 2.30.  Anything in mind?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:42:04 PM EST
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I just read the bit about the 160lb of luggage...

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:48:33 PM EST
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Not sure what your work schedule is tomorrow, but I'd be happy to meet you somewhere, although we'd be limited to the areas around Leyton, Bethnal Green, Liverpool St, and Westminster stations, as they're the only areas I'm even somewhat familiar with.

Otherwise, my father and I are simply going to have to drag you all over to Florduh.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:52:34 PM EST
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Mondays are really busy for me, I don't think I can squeeze in the time to go to King's Cross and back, which would be the simplest options.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 02:58:57 PM EST
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No worries.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:01:56 PM EST
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I suppose I could meet you for 30 minutes at the station when you arrive. Do you have a reservation for the train that arrives at 2:30, or would you send me a text message when you get on the train?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:03:34 PM EST
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Hey, not sure if you're still up, but I have a reservation on the 12.30 out of Nottingham, so it should get in at 2.30-2.35, judging by past experience.  Can't send texts, though.  No telefono, mi amigo.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 06:23:07 PM EST
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Hope to see you around here, once you settled down back home. Have a safe trip back.
by Fran on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:20:32 PM EST
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Hey Drew! Just want to wish you well! And sorry to hear that it just didn't sort out for you...but then, good that you can see that and move forward. Funny, but I have lived here in Europe going on 3 years now, and only just in the last month or so have I really started to miss home/friends/etc. I have had a diary brewing in me about it all...which I will get to at some point...but anyway, I can nderstand your feelings. Do keep in touch...and good luck on your next endeavors!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon Jan 29th, 2007 at 02:48:00 AM EST
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Nothing to do with the result of the Midterm elections, I'm sure...

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 29th, 2007 at 04:11:22 AM EST
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I like sailboats and people who are a little bit crazy (or more). We need more people like Alain Thébault at the hydroptère (if you don't have the video on the main page, go to the menu Images / videos).
by balbuz on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:08:37 PM EST
Sailing at double the speed of the wind.....amazing.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:42:58 PM EST
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I just knew that if you were around you'd enjoy that. I'd  just love to sail once on this thing. Sigh.
by balbuz on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:46:38 PM EST
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I mean, 47 knots is what, over 85 km/h ? Add the apparent wind, it's way over 100km/h through the air - in a sailboat ! They'd better hang on for dear life.
by balbuz on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 03:50:40 PM EST
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55mph, for landlubbers.

Lovely.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:07:24 PM EST
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For fogged-down islanders and their spawns you mean?
by Trond Ove on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 09:37:58 PM EST
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We're back from Paris - as of yesterday evening in fact, but we spent today putting away the shopping and starting to recover from three days straight of walking.

Of course we arrived back to say that the iaito I'd ordered before Christmas had arrived as soon as I'd left the country and is waiting for me at a bizarre and distant post office, not the nearby one that things are usually delivered from of course.

Now to bed.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 05:21:47 PM EST
Congrats on the new iaito. Careful with that now! Hitting the floor with a iaito is way more embarrassing than doing the same with a bokken.. :-)

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tzt) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 08:28:54 PM EST
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And potentially far more expensive ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 28th, 2007 at 08:29:32 PM EST
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