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by Lasthorseman Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 08:53:53 PM EST

I expect soon to be banned from multiple US political boards as a result of, well perhaps vitriolic hate comments about Al Gore and the "excitement" of his winning the Nobel prize.

My endorsement of the current American democrat Congress agrees with the 11% approval rating.  Main issue non-impeachment.  So I feel gratified in attacking the main and undisputed icon of the establishment "left" Al Gore.

Yes, let us all buy most of our goods from a totalitarian police state with zero concepts of like, well, lead is a toxic substance.  Let us internationally proclaim China as a carbon emissions exempt state.
Let the rich buy organs transplanted from China's gulags.
Not I'm not excited in the least.

by Lasthorseman on Sun Oct 14th, 2007 at 07:16:38 AM EST
Yea, yea, yea.  When I hear of a someone with a ´cleaner´ more-recent past and clearer mind on the biggest issue for humanity, I will jump up and down.  Until then, I will take the positive he´s got.

Tell us what you are happy about and it won´t be rejected.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Oct 14th, 2007 at 02:39:00 PM EST
This engine.  A possibility, not a total solution but perhaps a piece of it.

What the carbon traders seek is a total comprehensive and immediate solution.  Zero compromise, zero debate and zero tolerance for deviation from the prescribed talking point pablum.  This at least to me is at least equal in focus to the passions of the neo-cons.

As such it will end my participation in this venue with resources and time much better spent totally in preparations for the Apocalypse.

by Lasthorseman on Sun Oct 14th, 2007 at 09:39:17 PM EST
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What the carbon traders seek is a total comprehensive and immediate solution.  Zero compromise, zero debate and zero tolerance for deviation from the prescribed talking point pablum.

Really? Did you try to negotiate? Is the skeptical opposition ready to negotiate in any way? All they seem to want is not to hear about measures to address climate threats at all.

Skeptics utterly lack imagination if they see communisms and oppression in any opinion about global warming risk.

by das monde on Sun Oct 14th, 2007 at 11:07:41 PM EST
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Yes I did negotiate and got slammed.  I found a zeal comparable to the neo-Nazis of Fox News.  No doubt there is much we can do.

My solid belief on the subject is that the issue is not about the enviornment.  The core issue is about lowering the modern lifestyle of the western world.
Are we prepared to hunt and gather our own food locally?  This is not about the enviornment it is about control over people.

Having seen the movie I was shocked by it at first but like 911, after a little research the scam potential reared it's ugly head.  It is about carbon trading, a new tax on everything modern and if you think they will solve the problems of the enviornment will all that money I own this bridge in Brooklyn NY I can sell you.

China and India are carbon exempt but even before that the growth mantra of economics had western CEO's willing to sell out technology, build factories and take advantage of slave labor to churn out lead laced childrens toys, contaminated dog food and now lipstick?  Why just this morning I was reading about Falun Gong and the interesting torture devices in China.

Not only did my job go to China now you are after me to cut back or face the prospects of freezing in the dark during my retirement years?

by Lasthorseman on Mon Oct 15th, 2007 at 05:50:02 PM EST
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No one wants to lower lifestyle standards for no reason. Environment risks are real and nasty. As with the real estate boom, it looks all so fine until it looks very ugly. People are reasonably concerned with environmental risks. These people are free to act together, shall I say?

If you are not ready to consider any kind of reduction of the modern lifestyle, then it is hard to argue. Or is there anything you would do for the sake of better climate? How much do you care?

China is let free to roam on Western jobs (and Falun Gong) not by the carbon trading liberals, but exactly by those "patriots" who appeal to freedoms the most.  It is all temporarily free market and free exploitation folly, before it destructs lifestyle choices for millions - we'll see how it works.

by das monde on Mon Oct 15th, 2007 at 10:19:46 PM EST
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I converted a heating system in my home from $600 dollars every ten days to five pallets of wood stove pellets a year.  I was told wood pellets still had a "large carbon footprint".

That is the very same fanatic Nazi type nonsense we see from Fox News.

It is also one of the reasons I see as media manufacturing public "opinion" serving the interests of only global elites.  

Yes there is no "left" vs "right", that is a staged manufactured thing as both parties exist only to bring about pieces of a Satan inspired policy in the plan to end America.

by Lasthorseman on Tue Oct 16th, 2007 at 07:40:00 AM EST
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Wood smoke creates a lot of pollution. I know I am quite allergic to it. A single fireplace and a calm night will pollute the entire neighbourhood. As well, a massive return to wood burning would lead to severe deforestation. Going back to the "good old days" is often not a solution at all.

There were nasty traffic jams in the horse and buggy days. These traffic jams included a large quantity of horse urine and horse droppings, flies, and disease. According to one description I have heard, people had to periodically scrape the horse excrement off the outside walls of their shops where it would be splashed.

We need new solutions to old problems, instead of returning to old problems and claiming we have found solutions.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Wed Oct 17th, 2007 at 10:48:06 AM EST
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In order to live in an environmentally sane way, I suspect that there would be less change to our quality of life than people would expect.

Three would need to be changes, but not all would result in a lowering of our standard of living. There would also be some unexpected surprises - perhaps increased health, lower infant morality, and increased life expectancy.

I think that part of what is being objected to is any change - for good or bad.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Wed Oct 17th, 2007 at 10:52:49 AM EST
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I haven't read his "Assault on Reason", but I've heard that Gore appeals to impeachment in it. Kinda ruins your point, doesn't it?

A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.
by nicta (nico@altiva․fr) on Mon Oct 15th, 2007 at 04:58:37 PM EST
After six solid years of refined Orwellian rhetoric talking of impeachment is irrelevant.  Yes he is free to say whatever he wants yet knows such a thing will never ever happen.  Congress has an entire country to dismantle and can not afford the time away from that right now.
by Lasthorseman on Tue Oct 16th, 2007 at 07:31:38 AM EST
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