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Solstice Open Thread

by afew Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:00:17 PM EST

SOL INVICTUS


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If you're in the Southern Hemisphere, feel free to flame us, we could use the heat!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:03:41 PM EST
Happy sol invictus!!!!

or solis invitus....

I knew I remembered soemthing from last year in ET... it ain't Christmas.. it is Sol Invictus!!! we are at war!!!!!

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:53:05 PM EST
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This one is better! ;-)
Do you like the e-xmas card I got today?



by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:03:47 PM EST
That reminds me of certain persons who got sniffy because I sent them a Christmas card. I got a New Year's card from them today, in fact - just flowers on it.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:07:39 PM EST
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Mine has deer on it.  I sent you a card but of course it will be late because I never post anything on time.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:19:46 PM EST
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no problem cos i haven't er sent you one <skrr>
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:27:28 PM EST
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Oh, blame the machine!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:28:49 PM EST
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oh i know they're always doing that <skweek>
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:39:04 PM EST
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you need one of these  to go with it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:21:30 PM EST
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Ooooh.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:23:21 PM EST
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Phnglui mglwnafh Cthulhu Rlyeh wgahnagl Ftagn!

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:39:30 PM EST
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< looks the other way >
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:43:58 PM EST
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Well we all have to make sacrifices.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:55:03 PM EST
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You didn't say anything about sacrifices...
Fire, you mentioned. Jabberwocky of some kind. Do you throw sheep down mountains on solstice or something?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 07:35:05 PM EST
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We have been known to shout at the moon while hurling leeks at the local druids.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 07:48:07 PM EST
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Oh that's ok.  Especially during the Eisteddfod.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 07:51:24 PM EST
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We have theme music to go with that.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:10:46 PM EST
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Well I suppose I'd better jump naked over a fire to ensure the fertility of the coming year tonight.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:03:59 PM EST
Just to be on the safe side.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:04:51 PM EST
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Don't let us stop you.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:05:19 PM EST
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There is photographic proof from the past somewhere on the Internet

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:12:25 PM EST
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Well, perhaps we should leave it where it is.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:17:01 PM EST
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Hey, speak for yourself!  (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:52:01 PM EST
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Unfortunately my friends site is down, so I can't provide you with a link.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:56:09 PM EST
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must be flywwf's fault.
by Loefing on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 07:19:09 PM EST
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Well, I won't jump over a fire, but I'm drinking some at the moment. A sweet, delicious fire from Caol Ila...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:39:07 PM EST
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What kind of fertility?  I mean, I'm fine with like agricultural fertility and whatnot, but if it's a matter of actual personal fertility, then I think I'd rather be jumping over a block of ice on the solstice in order to ward it off.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:45:02 PM EST
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I'll make sure that your personal fertility is not included.  (I'm focussing on agricultural) I'd like to keep personal fertility out of it too.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:50:24 PM EST
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I'd like to keep personal fertility out of it too.

Just jump high.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 01:29:38 AM EST
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Jumping low will work better, and more permanently

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Dec 23rd, 2007 at 03:27:23 PM EST
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It's incredibly cold here today - there's ice outside. Luckily we have double glazing in the bedroom as of yesterday, so the danger of finding me encased  in frost has receded.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:12:10 PM EST
I had a landlord once who decided to reroof a house I was living in in November, ripped the tiles off covered it in Tarpaulin, then did nothing till February.

Coldest winter ever.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:20:56 PM EST
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that's a subtle eviction notice.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 02:05:51 PM EST
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He wasn't that subtle, if he wanted to do anything like that he'd turn up with a couple of thugs and physically throw you out.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 02:18:21 PM EST
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Not doing any work today, really. I'll be off for a week as of 4pm. I also past the 50% savings target for my double-secret travel plans today.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:13:53 PM EST
Military Evangelism Deeper, Wider Than First Thought
    By Jason Leopold
    t r u t h o u t | Report

    Friday 21 December 2007

Soldiers at Fort Jackson Army Base pose with their rifles and Bibles.(picture)

A Hamas suicide bomber posing with a rifle and a copy of the Koran.(picture)

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation says the two photos show how the infiltration of fundamentalist Christianity in the US military is starting to mirror Islamic fundamentalism.

    For US Army soldiers entering basic training at Fort Jackson Army base in Columbia, South Carolina, accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior appears to be as much a part of the nine-week regimen as the vigorous physical and mental exercises the troops must endure.

    That's the message directed at Fort Jackson soldiers, some of whom appear in photographs in government issued fatigues, holding rifles in one hand, and Bibles in their other hand.

    Frank Bussey, director of Military Ministry at Fort Jackson, has been telling soldiers at Fort Jackson that  "government authorities, police and the military = God's Ministers,"

    Bussey's teachings from the "God's Basic Training" Bible study guide he authored says US troops have "two primary responsibilities": "to praise those who do right" and "to punish those who do evil - "God's servant, an angel of wrath." Bussey's teachings directed at Fort Jackson soldiers were housed on the Military Ministry at Fort Jackson web site. Late Wednesday, the web site was taken down without explanation. Bussey did not return calls for comment. The web site text, however, can still be viewed in an archived format.

Does anyone else here find this as frightening as I do?
rdf? De Anander? Melo?
A nation defended (policed) by Bob Altemeyer's authoritarians. Double highs for commanders.

Oddly enough, right now it seems that the Professional military at staff level is a force for rationality in strategic thinking--which makes for lots of stress with the Cheney-neocon cabal.
I imagine the power for authority that a fundamentalist military would wield.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:33:04 PM EST
God of our fathers, who by land and sea have ever lead us to victory, please continue your inspiring guidance in this the greatest of all conflicts. Strengthen my soul so that the weakening instinct of self-preservation, which besets all of us in battle, shall not blind me to my duty to my own manhood, to the glory of my calling, and to my responsibility to my fellow soldiers. Grant to our armed forces that disciplined valor and mutual confidence which insures success in war. Let me not mourn for the men who have died fighting, but rather let me be glad that such heroes have lived. If it be my lot to die, let me do so with courage and honor in a manner which will bring the greatest harm to the enemy, and please, oh Lord, protect and guide those I shall leave behind. Give us the victory, Lord

That's from Patton, cos god always takes sides.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:53:21 PM EST
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I don't think we can expect anything different. Soldiers that think and introspect get shot by the other guy that wants it more.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 02:16:09 PM EST
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stirs from cyber-hibernation....huh, someone call?

hi, yes i'm scared shitless by this phenomenon, it's the ultimate example of The Big Lie TM.

i mentioned the other day how i asked my divinity teacher when i was 12 or so how the 2000 year old example of a healer/shepherd was relevant to modern times.

it occurs to me reading your post that if he had had a crystal ball, he could have simply stared into it and informed me that the best way to do His will would be to don khaki, lock and load and show the same level of kamikazi courage fighting for the forces that took Him down, that He showed while allowing those same forces of corrupt, venal injustice execute Him, making His story possibly the most durable example of political martyrdom ever so far.

but he didn't, so i remained as clueless as before...and since.

if you haven't read it already, check this out, but pour yourself something strong and calming first..

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 02:56:21 PM EST
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Yes it's frightening. Especially when you live in the country these guys are gonna come back to after their service. Between the fundamentalist wing and Blackwater I'm not getting a good feeling about the future.
by lychee on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:18:28 PM EST
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The picture and the adjective reminded me of this:

OZYMANDIAS

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.



"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:34:39 PM EST
Ah, but Ozymandias doesn't look quite so perky anymore...

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:40:40 PM EST
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I thought I was seeing double OT for a while, but it must have been the lunch wine.  (:

Enjoy ever which way, you all!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:55:58 PM EST
Yes there were briefly 2 OTs, mine and Afew's.  We had to go through a complicated and very secret Gnome Ritual to establish which OT should remain, and I took pity on him and let him win and now ET is back in order.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:23:12 PM EST
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La Petite Maison (for my birthday yesterday) is not exactly intime - very much the place to see and be seen:

bday-maison-50233

bday-maison-50234

I actually wore a tie for once ! :-) - just in case Prodi came back :-) (he and Sarko had had lunch there after a conference recently):

bday-ted-lip-50231

Montserrat had her favourite:

bday-montse-lob-50236

and got the owner to sign a copy of her new book: "A la Table de Nicole: tous celebres ici".

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 02:44:42 PM EST
Bon Anniversaire Ted!!!
Monserrat is everything you described, AND that is definitely a Ted-sized wineglass in the foreground... or is it just another of your fantasy photomontages?
N

f8; and be there...
by Nigel CheffersHeard (nigelch(at)cheffers(dot)co(dot)uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:15:13 PM EST
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Has someone cooked the contents of InWales christmas card in that last photo?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:57:22 PM EST
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My sister just got a job in Bucharest, setting up an office for a Spanish company.

Is there anyone around who's Romanian, lives there, or has practical information about Romania that they could share with her to make her move a little smoother?

Feel free to reply here or e-mail me. Thanks!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:20:21 PM EST
Driving is bad. And I'm not too far away if she needs to get away.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:32:08 PM EST
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by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:32:52 PM EST
A kind of Amon Duul/early Hawkwind crossover thing going on.

all very well, but the world has moved on.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:37:39 PM EST
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Wakeford is a romantic luddite if there ever was one, so if the world has moved on... it's not necessarily a good thing.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:28:20 AM EST
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From Paul Krugman's blog:

Man of the year



"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:38:18 PM EST
Oooooh she'll 'av you fer that.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:43:30 PM EST
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Oh, you are just begging for a troll-rating, aren't you?  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:44:50 PM EST
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Don't give in to him, he just gets a perverse kick out of it.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:56:23 PM EST
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Well, he's obviously suffering from a frightening case of jealous envy, and needs our reassurances, not retribution.  Which is why, difficult as it is for me, I'm refraining from posting the topless fishing pics in retaliation.  

;)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:14:02 PM EST
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Oh yes, please, troll-rate me!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:17:02 PM EST
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You're a sick man.  Even more sick than I.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:20:03 PM EST
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I'm sorry.  I lost the ability to resist any longer.  Plus, I'm heading out the door, so it seems as good a time as any to post and ... run.

Merry Christmas, Melanchthon!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:27:36 PM EST
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Sorry, he's not my kind of guy...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 08:01:29 AM EST
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Ok, "not my kind of guy..." I totally get.  But "Yuk!" ???

Me thinks thou doth prostest too much...  ;)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Sun Dec 23rd, 2007 at 05:38:48 PM EST
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It's the crucifix.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 10:18:10 AM EST
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Search for security - Paul Krugman - Op-Ed Columnist - New York Times Blog
One of the truly amazing things about the current financial environment has been the way investors are parking their money in government debt, even at very low yields, because they're afraid to lend to private entities that may be holding toxic waste.

And it's not getting better. Here's the yield on one-month U.S. Treasury bills, which is back down close to its low from the August panic.



"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:47:44 PM EST
Man, the Governments should be going on a debt binge!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:44:57 PM EST
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Hey, Sven. I really, really want this phone (thru Jamais Cascio)

When is Nokia bringing it to the market?

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:51:18 PM EST
Hello, this is your Nokia Eco Sensor Concept. You have just had a heart attack. Our central feedback unit tells us that you have three minutes to live. Would you like us to dial your wife so that you can have your farewells?


Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:13:52 PM EST
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LOL!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:16:06 PM EST
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If Nokia really wants to Greenwash itself, it should find a way to make cell phones without imported crystalline material from war-torn Congo.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:19:10 PM EST
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Yes, but that would kind of destroy the whole point of greenwashing, wouldn't it?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:36:04 PM EST
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Nokia seems to shift the blame down the supply chain.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:57:58 PM EST
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Well the meeting rooms of Powerpoint Heaven in Keilalahti are just jam packed with 25 year olds re-examining the 'Connecting People' mantra as if scholars in Q'um. The big buzzword is 'neighbourhood'. With a hip-hop beat.

How these green radicals got in there I don't know. But that's what happens when you go self-organizing. What the flock!

I have never heard this phone mentioned (not that that means anything) - but there are all sorts of kites being flown above clouds of PAN and Living Labs. As I have been telling them for 10 years - at some point it becomes cheaper to change the mind of the consumer than change the product.

However I am tired and emotional after a night with some of the most well-heeled drunks in Hki, and I no longer want to think of anything vaguely strategic. My only concern is that the days get longer from now on. It's been a long night....

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:30:44 PM EST
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N96 is the next one up , I believe...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 06:46:07 PM EST
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keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 03:56:49 PM EST
The problem is that the people at the top, who get to declare it normal, never are at risk of it happening to themselves or anyone they know.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:04:31 PM EST
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Another brief storm here last night that spawned a possible small tornado in the southern portion of the county. A few homes were destroyed by it.

Some good news: I had had to take an "incomplete" grade in a writing class last year. I had to turn papers in by this week, otherwise the I would become a failing grade; luckily I got everything in and the teacher liked them. :) Rather nice after a year of writer's block.

by lychee on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 04:25:17 PM EST
What's Writer's Block?  Real writers know there is no such thing no such thing no such thing no such thing...

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:52:39 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 01:35:41 AM EST
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... that is, it comes in several versions. It can be, that is, one version is that one, and then there is write and erase and write and erase, and then there is the non-blocked-at-all writer's block from Wonder Boys where the writing just goes and goes and the writer is simply unable to stop.

And then there is writing online in comments in lieu of writing something that is long overdue.

Damn, I should be writing.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 12:15:26 PM EST
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I love that film. Also the first time I heard 'Old Man' by Neil Young. Great song.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 01:37:35 PM EST
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Here's a rap version of Silvio's attempt to topple the Italian government by getting a few stonewashed wannabe starlets a bit part on the state telly through the good offices of consumate worm, Agostino Saccà, now unemployed.

This is original link to the actual conversation yesterday for latecomers.

The advantage of the rap version is the force of Sacca's sloven asslicking repeated ad nauseum: SiSi-SiSi-grazie-Sisi-Sisi-Grazie-Sisi Sisi

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:03:05 PM EST
As expected, the usual flack of two-bit lawyers and the coterie of cicisbei is whining about the violation of some sort of privacy that Mr. Berlusconi is supposed to have a right to.

As a public figure who has dominated and transformed the Italian political and cultural scene for over two decades, Berlusconi has no right to privacy. As far as I'm concerned the bastard should be filmed daily while he shits in the town square. Which is effectively what he does.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:19:35 PM EST
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So Sacca resigned; what about other consequences, also consequences of the earlier tapes on negotiations between Mediaset and RAI news magazine editors?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:24:39 PM EST
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The tapes continue to come out. Today the Corriere published several very damning tapes in which Berlusconi allegedly illustrated a road map of the government's collapse last month. He had hoped to organize- or buy- a mass defection of over a dozen senators so as to provoke a dramatic political crisis that could only have been resolved- in Berlusconi's mind- by immediate elections under the actual electoral laws.

The political chips in this is that all the suspected senators on the left are forced to be good boys. Yesterday, the Prodi government resorted to three confidence votes in the Senate without undue tension.

Concerning your question, these are the actual audio tapes, the smoking gun so to say, with the verbatim transcripts. The publication of the more frivolous tapes is a clear signal that the papers are sitting on the worst tapes.

If you recall the election thread we had up here, you may remember that for long periods there were no results from Palermo and Campania. The publication of the results was being held up deliberately by Mediaset-RAI, according to taped conversations. Why? Your hypothesis is as good as mine.

The whole matter is now a matter of criminal inquiry. We'll see how far that goes.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:44:00 PM EST
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Thanks for the added details, especially on the Palermo delay issue.

However, I may have not made myself clear; only your last sentence answers my question. So the consequence so far is a criminal inquiry. What about RAI (and Mediaset) news magazine editors/journalists in the first released tapes? Were any fired by the RAI board, or resigned voluntarily? And what about government politicians: how much did they capitalise on the scandal? Were there calls for resignations or such? Violent attacks on B?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 02:46:06 PM EST
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There are two well known criminal inquiries into unrelated facts that exposed key RAI personnel in cahots with Berlusconi. The first exposée was an offshot of the investigation of Luigi Crispi for fraudulent bankruptcy. He turned out to be a key figure along with Deborah Bergamini, otherwise known as Cartimandu, Queen of the Celts. They both colluded to fix and drug news during the Berlusconi regime allegedly along with prominent rightwing journalists (Clemente Mimum, Bruno Vespa, Carlo Rosella, Fabrizio del Noce) all notoriously well known for having falsified news over the decades (I have no problem in asserting this, cases at hand for each of them).

Ms. Bergamini, who was Berlusconi's personal secretary before becoming a RAI director, is the only person suspended. (It is nearly impossible to fire people in Italy even with just cause.)

The new case stems from an investigation into a well known Berlusconi ploy to create illegal funds abroad through false overbilling. It is suspected that the funds are then used for corruption and kickbacks in Italy. While following the money trail, the Naples investigators ran into Agostino Saccà, the major power broker within the national television for all fiction programs. And on the other end of the line, one day, was Silvio asking "favours" or, rather, dictating orders in a very friendly way.

Saccà suspended himself before being suspended. The RAI  has announced that it will take sanctions. I'm not holding my breath on that. That Saccà and Bergamini be sanctioned is to be expected. But the likes of Vespa, Rosella, del Noce will pass through this without a scratch.

And what about government politicians: how much did they capitalise on the scandal? Were there calls for resignations or such? Violent attacks on B?

This is very complex as all Italian political intrigue goes. I think the government is capitalizing on the matter by pushing legislation through the Senate without problems by resorting to confidence voting. In two days they liquidated the annual budget law and the welfare law. No center-left Senator would dare vote against the government under this climate of suspected corruption.

Most political leaders on the left issued lacklustre routine statements deploring the decay of political customs. Big deal. Some left leaders joined the rightwing whorus that the publication of the tapes violates privacy and parliamentary immunity (sic). Mastella, Minister of Justice and head of the micro-party UDF, called for a government decree to regulate (read, "severely sanction") the publication of investigative acts by the press. Were the law to be go into effect as originally conceived it would make it a crime to publish investigative material even when it is no longer covered by judiciary secrecy. (The Bergamini-Crispi tapes were in the public domain when published.)

What appears to be happening is a no-holds barred war between la Repubblica and large segments of both coalitions. By exposing the belly of the beast to public ridicule the press has resumed its role as a political protagonist.

As for "violent attacks on B," no, there were violent attacks by B. Berlusconi characterized the judiciary as the Red Army. His attack was so virulent that the governing body of the judiciary issued a unanimous statement in defense of the Naples investigators, repelling B's crass attacks. The president of the Republic, Napolitano, also deplored the attacks. However, the parliament has asked Naples for the investigative material to verify if there was an irregular conduct by investigators towards the parliamentarian, Silvio Berlusconi. In effect, in Italy one need only get elected to parliament to be above and beyond the law, seemingly authorized to delight in crime sprees.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:55:21 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | US faces sanctions for gaming ban
The US faces $21m (£10.6m) in annual trade sanctions as a result of its online betting ban, the World Trade Organization has ruled.

Antigua and Barbuda was awarded the right to impose sanctions that target US services, copyrights and trademarks.

Laws passed in the US in October 2006 effectively made it illegal for foreign internet gaming firms to trade there.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 05:25:44 PM EST
Just got back home from London. Plane back was cencelled because of fog. Managed to get before-last train. Stopped 90mn 30km from Paris because another train in front of us hit an animal. Then of course had to go to the airport to get my car, which I used to go there in the morning with colleague.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 08:08:14 PM EST
It's a pretty chilling book. Dystopian future. He's a really good writer.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 08:09:30 PM EST
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Ah so I take it it's Blind Faith, rather than chart throb.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 08:19:14 PM EST
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A friend of a friend was coming back from an ethnology field trip in Pakistan the other day. He took a train to get to the airport, too ; his train was also stopped because of an accident ahead...

Al Jazeera English - News - Toll Rises In Pakistan Train Crash

The toll from a train crash in Pakistan has risen to at least 56, with 200 injured.   Pakistan railway officials say they still do not know what caused the deadly derailment on Wednesday.
The overnight express train packed with holiday travellers was going from Karachi to Lahore on Wednesday when it came off the rails near Mehrabpur, about 400km north of Karachi in Sindh province.


Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 09:45:23 AM EST
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(I should point out he's quite happy he didn't take that train, as he could very well have done so)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 03:05:02 PM EST
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2 days without internet, and a 400 mile round trip to deliver christmas presents to my family starting in the morning so catch you all on Christmas eve.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 08:15:11 PM EST


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