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Benazir, victim of globalization or USA social tampering

by igor vincha Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 01:34:59 PM EST

When I was a teenager growing up in Pakistan, Benazir's younger brother was a year older than me - at the Islamabad American School. Like all other rich Pakistani boys he had succumbed to the emerging Global-Western drill of Sex and Drugs and Rock & Roll. Drugs included alcohol and lots of it. The boys of the Pakistani elites had free reins, sometimes girlfriends were brough even from France, the American girls in the school were only for serious "going steady".

I remember going steady, OOPS... am I revealing too much about my age. Well the cat is out the bag, I am 50 and proud. At least I survived Benazir's brother who was caughed hijacking a plane for some never clarified reason. Perhaps it was drugs and alcohol "thinking" in him.

Anyway, Benazir's father was the Prime Minister of Pakistan. She like other young women of the rich Pakistani feudal landlords was brought up in a strict and Muslim conservative fashion. Unfortunately the boys were allowed to run wild. They could do anything. Their families had stocks in the PanAm, in PIA (Pakistani International Airways) and prominently in the Habib Bank.

When I was 15, reading the great Western nihilists in the American school library--Nietzsche, Sartre, Camus and the funny guy Gore Vidal--I thought to myself: wow by the time I am fifty it will be 21st century and all these Pakistani street urchins, lepers, beggars, burka covered women, street cows and goats, bicycles, rickshaws, street peddlers - all will be transformed and modernized, and everything will look spick and span like Washington D.C.! OBVIOUSLY, I WAS A FIRM BELIEVER IN PROGRESS!

Here I am in the 21st century and Pakistan is worse than back in 1975. It is worse because the population doubled but poverty remained. So double the number of sufferers. Children are not educated properly, women are just biological weapons, men are stupefied.

There was one Pakistani guy in our school who was different from the others of his social class. He was bearded and we called him Ibex. He was a faithful Muslim. He did not drink, have girlfriends or listen to ROCK AND ROAALLLL BABY. O Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz! Poor stupid Janice.

Today, I opened the Forbes page as it was the first on Google's list of news about Benazir's death. It said in this order: Russia had sent condolences to the Bhutto family, the official USA and the UK could not comment on the news as they did not have any confirmation yet! A pitiful state of the Western intelligence community. Everything is there but intelligence. Well duh!?

America killed Benazir by promising her false protection. I can imagine how they lifted up her hopes of activating her political career in Pakistan after years of living in the UK. How closely she worked with the people from THE embassy... They needed her to create the thin veneer of so-called DEMOCRACY, which allows them to manipulate the world impudently.


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Hmm, well I cannot match your first hand experience, but the reason why Pakistan has never progressed seems pretty much related to the preference of the middle classes to keep the poor uneducated by denying them schools. For a people who are keen on education, that meant in the last 20-25 years that their only alternative was to send their children to the madrassas where an education of sorts was available.

Well, that worked well. An entire generation have been radicalised.

Yes, we in the west bear responsibilities. We sponsored Zia al-Huq and all of his similarly murderous military successors. Civilian government has only ever been treated as a figleaf interlude. We have always preferred a military dictator, not just in pakistan but it's so much easier to plunder a country if there is only one thug to bribe.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 03:58:42 PM EST
Thanks for the follow up. Before I escape for a jog around the park, just to say that I also point out the decadence to which the West is subjecting itself and the rest of the world. Those rich Pakistani were the playboys of the global circuit. Some still are.

What seems to the Western(ized) mind limitless liberalism actually has subjective limits in the minds of OTHERS. We in the West began by protecting OTHERNESS but then stopped short in actually respecting OTHERS. Basically, a Westerner does not respect anyone including herself any more.

Its the dosh, the power and the spectacular lights and buildings that have always dazzled the Westerner - the plunderer.

"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL

by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 04:54:42 PM EST
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I think what you describe is less Western and more upper-class. Everywhere. Every time. Now it has a Western culture everywhere, but that's only a surface.

And plunderers were from everywhere, not just the West. We can go back to the Moghuls, to Ghenghis Khan, to the Warring States of China, to the Assyrians and the Hettites, it's there.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 08:29:01 AM EST
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With all that experience we should be able to recognize the contemporary plunderers when we see them. But do we?

We close our eyes and hope that we can share in the booty.

"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL

by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 10:58:36 AM EST
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Whatever happened to Ibex?

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:09:57 PM EST
That's a good one!
I don't know. Let's say that he has three wives, and a dozen of children and dozens of grandchildren.
Did not become a Rhino like people in Ionesco's drama. He has many personal moments with his relatives and dependents. He is human.
We may not like the smell of all that humanity in a monsoon summer heat, or the smell of potato curry and goat meat. We may not like them at all, but they have the right to live as they were meant to without interference from Rhinos from across the continent AND the ocean.
But the US presence was heavy in the 1970s, before and since. US had four schools in Pak. and one in Afghanistan. In Kabul shops were full of American products: ketchup, cornflakes, ham, maple syrup....


"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL
by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 06:41:12 PM EST
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Maybe you could connect a few dots for us ignorant foreigners...  

Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.
by FPS Doug on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 08:17:44 AM EST
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"Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit."

Are you doubting my folly? I was very foolish. And still am. Does that connect some dots.

And who is a foreigner in the blogospher? Are you trapped in some country? Is anyone holding you against your will. I think that in the post-post-modern world there are no foreigners.


"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL

by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 10:54:53 AM EST
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And who is a foreigner in the blogospher? Are you trapped in some country? Is anyone holding you against your will. I think that in the post-post-modern world there are no foreigners.

Most of the time I struggle to understand you.  But this I like.  I really like.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 01:04:48 PM EST
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Thank you "poemless". I added a Leopardi for you.

But FPS has a point when he judges that "The Enlightenment Project is dying."

I would not say "dying" but DEAD! Too much Saussure smothered Peirce.

"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL

by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 03:48:04 PM EST
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If a victim, it appears she was a willing one.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 11:02:50 AM EST
Are you suggesting suicide?

"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL
by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 11:11:07 AM EST
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No, no. But she appears to have been a willing vessel for carrying Washington interests in Pakistan these past few years.

Much is being said of what a popular woman was Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan, but while she does enjoy some popularity with some (though nowhere near the popularity she had when she went back in the mid-80's and millions came to see her), she is also reviled by many. And not just because of her pro-Washington stances, which are not particularly popular in Pakistan these days.

If she went back with Washington assurances of her safety, it was neither with like assurances from Musharraf or her own PPP advisers. Of course, this takes a certain kind of courage, especially if she were herself disabused of the bona fides of those Washington assurances which, after all, came from a clique of proven fools prone quite publicly to believe their own bullshit, but even if she weren't.

But suicide? No. If she went back, it was likely for personal reasons, not necessarily altruistic ones. Perhaps her husband, Mr. 10%, and she thought this a ripe opportunity to amass further wealth while gaining power. Perhaps she was worried other PPP activists within Pakistan were starting to gain credible mass appeal and threatening her "PPP leader for life" title. Perhaps legacy reasons, in that had she not return, there would to have been much left of the putative Bhutto legacy. Perhaps a bit of all three and a craving for the good meetha paan you find in Karachi.

But suicide? No.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 11:29:20 AM EST
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America's replacement "enemy" after Iraq.

There now that I have uttered these words aimed at a European audience please feel free to exert all of your collective might, prayers,meditative chants, business influence, whatever towards prevent that ugly thought from manifesting itself in the eyes of the war profit mongers.

by Lasthorseman on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 07:56:16 PM EST
America's replacement "enemy" after Iraq.

An argument against this idea is that just recently the U.S. administration announced that the real issue in the area was actually Afghanistan. So there is not yet a need for another enemy--we have created enough as it is.

I am aware that "everything that goes wrong in the world is Amerika's fault" (similar to "everything wrong with the computer industry is Microsoft's fault"), but in order to minimize the need to point out America-bashing, I would ask that there be some consideration to other global players in the area. For example, Russia, India, Europe, China. I'm not arguing, just asking for some brief consideration before blaming this particular situation directly on the CIA or Cheney--evil as they may be.

by asdf on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 08:20:29 PM EST
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Co-intel-pro protocol demands that I as a lowly prole,peon American citizen point out that the US CIA is in fact an organization fully capable of global reach and influence while Al-qaida simply means "the database" in arabic.  "The database" was a list of recruits enrolled in the fight against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.

And true everything wrong with the computing industry is not Microshaft's fault but their Satanic memes begat the BSA,the Business Software Alliance, and that laid the foundations for the future dystopian world our children are going to live in.

by Lasthorseman on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 09:43:58 PM EST
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"Newsmedia" once again is repeating alqaeda, alqaeda, alqaeda.  The Osama tapes(and his minions)are apparently loosing appeal.

Another side benefit our ministry of truth is seeking to promote religious zealot Huckabee over Ron Paul by distrubuting "news" stories about what Huckabee said on the Bhutto affair.

by Lasthorseman on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 at 08:19:12 AM EST
Bhutto was probably a victim of both and her own greed for power and money.  I bought her act on 60minutes when she was in power, but in recent interviews, my BS detector went on alert.  The act was old and I sensed a very hard, manipulative person.

By the way, I am sensing something here and I don't have a crystal ball:  deja vu of style characteristics, switching roles and most of all rebellion against a hidden personal drama.  No questions, no judgement.

Keep writing.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 04:20:54 PM EST


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