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by kcurie Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 06:41:49 AM EST

Well.. this is meta... real real real meta.

I have asked a friend to come to visit this site.. so that he could tell me what things prevent him from registering...

Let me point out that my friend is "into this kind of stuff"... and still.

Here is a list of the things he would like to see... plus some of mine.. plus some of others.

This is a heavily heavily constructive diary.. so please if you come here to just state criticism for the sake of criticism.. this is not the place. We love this site, get it? :)

Actually, that was some kind of joke since I can not imagine anyone in the community doing differently.

So go below the fold...


So here they go the points he told me...more or less in history list..

First, well, I am sorry, he is spanish.. first problem for him: it is in English.. Sorry friend.. there is nothing we can do about it.

Second thing he did not like.. "How XXXX do you post a comment???". His reaction has an explanation: In Spain  there is always an option to post a comment, you click and if you are not loged-in  then in the same page you are offered the option to log-in or just create an account in the same page.. "please log here o please do here the account" ( Sometimes they send you to the "create an account" page with a link.. and I must say I do not like it and prefer "on the spot" account.. so I agree with my friend here).

Third... "mail? receiving a mail to activiate account?". He did not like to wait for a mail for posting just a comment (actually I do not mind that much).. which he was ready to do despite the language...In spanish blogs comments are that easy. Clik "post a comment, create an account on the spot and just comment". According to him, they should be just as easy here...

And here he quit, "posting a comment so complex"? He just quit it here...I asked him to come back to look for other things he may like.. but now it is not something coming from a first impression (which is the thing I trust).

He then only had another idea... make it easy on front-page to make a diary or a news... make it very prominent...Of course he had no account so he could not see how to do it.. But he would have expected... "propose a story" in the a huge link in the FP just as easy as acomment... He also did not understand the Diary concept for a while (I had to press him on that.. he had no particualr idea what it meant or I think even realized it was there). For him it was just front-page histories in-waiting or news.

So this is it.... And here I add now some other proposals I heard or discussed

-Make it easy to invite a friend via mail

-Define everything as stories.. or FP proposals or whatever name.. but more in line with a news report or a blog entry... mixing the two concepts in one seems nice.

-Personal opinon: I would say in Spain the idea of FP post in waiting or FP news proposals would have more track.. just an idea.. I do not know in France or UK.

-Put the breakfast an open thread in prominent places always.

Unfortuantely he did not give any opinion about the aescetics of the place...Did it look to overwelming or not.. did it look so much that?....sorry no input..the fact that he could not post a comment easily or "propose a FP" story easily made  him quit.

So.. please chime in....I would love to hear about other ideas...

What do you think?

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kcurie, I sympathize with your friend but I'm not sure if I agree.  The very first online interactive blog I ever joined was kuro5hin.  I believe kuro5hin was the very first scoop  site.  Scoop is the software that runs ET, BT, DKos, and a host of other interactive blog sites.

Kuro5hin allows posts by non-account holders.  They used to show up in comments as the generic username "anonymous coward."  I think that may have changed to something a little less offensive now.  So I know anonymous posts by visitors who do not have an account is at least possible.

But I'm not sure drive-by comments by one-time or first-time visitors is a good thing.  The thing I treasure most about ET is the cordial, friendly atmosphere that prevails here.  Over time I've gotten to know, at least a little bit, many of the regular posters here.  I enjoy the many thoughtful insights by regulars from all over the world who come here to share their points of view.  I learn something new and useful here almost every day.  I count some of you, most of you, as friends even though we never have, and probably never will, meet face to face.

I'm not sure how long that atmosphere would last if anyone who wanted to could post anonymous comments.  There are many out there who do not share the attitude of civility and mutual consideration for alternate points of view which seems to characterize the present ET community.  There are some who seem to be motivated by the urge to sow dissent and discord, even hate.  I'd rather not give those folks a free and anonymous forum.

If someone posts one or several inflammatory posts as anonymous there is no way to know if those are by one or several visitors.  If user kcurie or ignorant bystander posts a number of such posts, we can all draw our own conclusions about the wisdom of engaging in conversation with such a user.

Personally I do not find it an unreasonable burden to go through a registration process, possibly including a brief waiting period, before being allowed to post on a forum such as ET.  Personally I would prefer that those who wish to join this wonderful community take a least a little time to get acquainted first.  I do not think that is too much to ask.  IMHO, of course.

We all bleed the same color.

by budr on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:37:35 AM EST
Oh Yes,a bsolutely I see all this point.. I just wanted to make this contribution...

It just made me think if there could nto be anintermediate option..

I was wondering if we could work out an intermediate option.

For example,a t least the post a comment option always visible and then telling the user to creatan ccoount.

Or make it possible to make anonymus posts but not diaries until some delay time.. or just via mail.

Comments could be done inmediately nad ban inmedaitely if they are spam?

In Spain everything works like not-anonymus but inmediate...so I  understand his point of not wanting to get ivolved..

I see both points. Thanks bystander

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:44:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Many Spanish blogs are "movable type", which allows one to post comments under any name one wants, allowing different people to use the same name accidentally or maliciously, as well as allowing the same commente to post under more than one name. Of course, the site owner can see people's e-mail addresses and IP addresses, but ordinary readers and commenters cannot.

I do think it would be good for the "post a comment" link to exist even when one is not logged on, but to take the reader to the "create an account" interface.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:55:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Personally I do not find it an unreasonable burden to go through a registration process, possibly including a brief waiting period, before being allowed to post on a forum such as ET.  Personally I would prefer that those who wish to join this wonderful community take a least a little time to get acquainted first.  I do not think that is too much to ask.  IMHO, of course.

I think kcurie has gone a long way towards explaining why, despite my best efforts, I have not been able to attract new Spanish users. I can sometimes bring in a dozen readers from escolar.net with a well-placed comment linking to a bilingual diary, but I doubt they ever get as far as to comment.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:59:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
kcurie is saying he thinks the registration process is reasonable. Are you saying you don't - or at least that you think it's an obstacle?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:26:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Are we reading the same kcurie?
Third... "mail? receiving a mail to activiate account?". He did not like to wait for a mail for posting just a comment (actually I do not mind that much).. which he was ready to do despite the language...In spanish blogs comments are that easy. Clik "post a comment, create an account on the spot and just comment". According to him, they should be just as easy here...


"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:28:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I guess we are... kcurie doesn't mind it, but he says it is an obstacle.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:29:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I was reading kcurie's own opinion that you quoted in your comment?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:31:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I quoted ignorant bystander.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:33:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Dang. I should stop commenting when I have no time.

Before I go: I think registration is a good thing, but lack of information isn't.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:35:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry, I just read your other comment above properly and see you suggest a "post a comment" link be in evidence, but would open a "register" page.

Definitely agree.

As fast-track as possible, both in presentation (simple, big title saying this will only take a second) and in fact (immediate e-mail).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:30:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
what I get from MIg's expereinces and my own experinece and my friend answers is that spanish people love the "post acomment" link, thi sis the first thing they look.

If it is not there.. they quit.

So why not a post comment link and then a declaration on how to log in...
We can decide how the process should be.. via mail, anonymus, instantaneous.. this is a process we can discuss... but from what I have heard the "post a comment" link for anyone as an introductory option is a no-brainer for my friend even when you are not logged.. and he thoroughfully convince me (you know it when you just do not know what to say).

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:04:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The issue is that unlogged users don't see a "post a comment" link and may miss the "create an account" link.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:32:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh.  I totally misread the point of kcurie's diary.


In Spain  there is always an option to post a comment, you click and if you are not loged-in  then in the same page you are offered the option to log-in or just create an account in the same page..

I have no problem whatsoever with that.  I read in haste, as I too often do, that visitors should be able to post comments without having an account.  Like afew, I shouldn't comment when I'm short on time.

We all bleed the same color.

by budr on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 12:48:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
well this was certainly what I have called his point number 2.... hisp oint number 3 was the one you properly addressed :) (I liked a lot)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 01:12:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Some of that was covered previously in discussions about the next version of ET.

I don't think we'll be going for anonymous comments though. It's hard enough to keep spam out as it is, and I'm not sure it helps the atmosphere. It can be done though ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:40:00 AM EST
Oh yes.. I put the list of what I recall from these conversation plus the new ones I have realized.

I am not sure that doing what my friend  says is a good idea. But I think I had to share.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:45:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Would be a permanent and short ''this is who we are and how you can join us'* explanation, placed prominently on the FP.

It would explain:

  • the outline aims of ET (informed discussion of a wide range of topics including economics, science, politics etc etc)

  • the context: civil dialogue

  • The method: diary-led with comments

  • How to join

It would also include a link to a more detailed explanation of how to join and how to post (ie the new user FAQ - which should in any case be visible to all.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:21:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It couold also be presetn in the page you open when you want to post a comment

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:02:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In our recent discussions about the future ET, I stressed that I thought people found it hard to get into the swing of the blog if they weren't already familiar with the DKos family. I suggest that we have a real non-member welcome page (with jump-out-the-screen information on how to use the site) for those who are not identified as account-holders by Scoop.

However, e-mail for registration is very common on more serious sites across Internet. It does represent a certain commitment. (Even if one can create e-mail addresses easily and drop them again). One-shot comments aren't really the style of a community blog.

The e-mail with password could also be used to send a few more simple points about using the site.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:23:05 AM EST
I here foRmally propose that the same explAnation an "easy to way get ther" to the member account could be achieved by clinking in "post a comment" link.

I do nto see why the "post a comment" does nto appear in all diaries independently of the fact that you are loged in or havwe an account...

Formally declared I AM :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:07:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Just had  a look, and that stuff lives deep in the code, whcih I don't have access to on the current version of ET. It'll have to wait for the new version.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:17:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Apparently the out-of-the-box behaviour of scoop is to allow anonymous users to post a comment. When an anonymous user clicks on "Post a Comment", they get
You are not logged in. If you don't have a user account yet, by all means go make one! If you do have one, you can post as "yourself" by filling in your nickname and password below. Otherwise, your comment will be posted as Anonymous Hero.

Create Account
Nickname:
Password:

Trolling is not tolerated here. Any comment may be deleted by a site admin, and all trolls will be deleted. This is fair warning. If you don't know what trolling is, then you're probably not about to do it, so don't worry. :-)

I am not saying that this should be enabled for ET, which has a developed community culture that doesn't include it, but just that it seems it would require no coding.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:39:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Having them post anonymous comments would be easy. Having them told to sign up, not so easy. The built-in is either no anon comments and no link to posting comments for them at all or anon comments. No mid-way.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:44:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What mid way are you referring to? Posting signed comments without registration, à la Movable-Type? I don't like that because of the risk of multiple people posting under the same name accidentally or maliciously, or of trolling behaviour using multiple personalities.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:47:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Having a "sign up to post comments" link in place of the "post a comment link".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:48:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, that would be great and it is a pity it can't be done easily.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:52:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's a real real real real... well... gee!!! I am sorry.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 12:32:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Anonymous comments: No
Post a comment -> Registration: Yes
Email confirmation for registration: Yes

I think this informal method of keeping out casual posters is a good one. The point of ET and dKos is that people stick around and join in. If they're not wowed enough by the content to want to spend a little time on registration, they're probably not going to be happy here anyway.

Anonymous postings in general will lead to fragmentation of threads, and of the community feel.

I don't think registration is particularly difficult compared to other sites. You're not asked for personal details, and it's a very quick process.

The data-gathering problem is that by definition we have no idea who's being excluded inadvertently that we might not want to exclude. kc's friend is one data point. There may be others.

Perhaps we could have a temporary open thread season for lurkers to say what they do and don't like about ET?

I'm not totally convinced we're doing anything wrong, with the possible exception of being a mostly-English site. But that's for local ETNet spin-offs to solve for themselves - it's better to delegate than trying to be everything to everyone.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:52:50 AM EST
Again??? agreeing with you completely ???' what's up?

I must say that it is reall ya pity that it is not easy to create a link "post a comment" for any non-log person and from there directed to a "create an account place".

I think this is a case in point where you want to post a comment and then through the link you realize it is serious stuff.

Regarding the e-mail confirmation..well , it is not too much to ask , this is true. I was just explaining the situation.

Another thing I would take from him and from other comments here is to create a short explanation in the FP of the site, specially of how the "put your news or blog entrance" works.. A huge improvement this would be.:)

Anyone wanting to put a serious news history would know how to do it.... Ego is something you must consider... as a very good thing for the community. A certain ego is basic and welcomed (in contrast with the egoists me me me me).. so I would take this as another good observation independently of the general cosnideration regarding how to best stop spam or certain users.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 12:30:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't know if that's technically easy to do, but a once a week thread open to anonymous commenters might tempt some people out of the woodwork, and being a single thread it might not be so hard to manage from spam issues/abuse?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 12:37:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Tempest in a comment pot?  This is a distracting discussion that has little merit IMO.  The basic software, Scoop is an extremely responsive to a "community of users."  

The thing you should complement is the quick responsiveness of the database when you check your comments.  It is unusually fast and reliable.  This is the important interface for regular users, a threaded discussion.  Try look at Kos and others for this same fast and reliable database calls.

Just like in the MSM what is important is content.  Substance, not style will bring in folks.

alohapolitics.com

by Keone Michaels on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 12:58:44 PM EST
Tempest? well maybe I should give a bacground here... but there have been a lot of meta in this site about how to improve the site for the visitors without affecting content... Some of the points here are just a sum up of other meta diaries by all members of the community, Fp, owner..

One partiuclar question that was asked by Colman and afew (I am not sure about Jerome)  that is why the spanish people coming over here frome "escolar" (a famous blog in Spain) or other palces did not log-in in the standard numbers other people do. And those readers do like the content of this site...

So it is not a tempest.. it is more like an anthropological question which I tried to answer for the record.  But nothing further from a  tempest :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 01:17:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I hadn't had my saimin yet.  I was going to say "oats" but I really had a bowl of saimin for breakfast.  Oh, the shame.

Okay, I get it now.  Why not make a deal with the Spanish site, (Escolar, what does it mean, probably, the "scholar" I'll look it up ..) that their already registered folks automatically are also registered on ET?  Might require a little programming, but I see it is done elsewhere with other software?

alohapolitics.com

by Keone Michaels on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:25:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Actually, this has also been discussed here.. more in the line of a network of sites related to each other sharing the log-in but with different languages each one.

Colman is working on it..and we have discussed in diaries the implications, the method.. and so on.

Actually I think Jerome said he was preparing a french site strongly linked with this site. I do not know exactly the details... but things along your lines are in the works since language is the first problem a lot of people mentions :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:45:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Escolar is a surname, and though it does share the stymology of scholar it means schoolchild (as a noun) or 'pertaining to school' as an adjective.

The thing is, Escolar is a Movable Type blog and doesn't have registered users. In addition, it is a single-person blog with (mostly unmoderated) comments, and attached forums and wiki. It doesn't have the feel of a community blog, the unthreaded comments make it hard to follow the flow (and threads can easily get to 400 comments) and sometimes people publish off-topic diary-length comments for lack of a better option.

A Spanish community blog is long overdue, and we're in the process of setting one up (hat tip to Colman). Volunteers welcome.

I was going to say "Spanish language community blog" but then I remembered I have committed myself to make it multilingual Basque/Castilian/Catalan/Galician.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:55:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
WOW I see Colman has his work cut out for himself. A French ET and Spanish community ET. I knew about the French version but had no idea a Spanish one was also in the works.Any others I didn't pick up on having missed that discussion? It's going to be interesting to see what ET becomes as it expands its linguistic capabilities!! Exciting indeed...
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 03:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This was probably brought up in other threads, but I'm not worried about "difficulties with posting." Internet users have become socialized to the dumbed down interfaces of sites like blogger.com. They are easier to use but less functional. I am continually amazed that no blog host that I know of supports threaded commenting (ok, I think livejournal does, but the appearance is still poor IMO). Eurotrib wouldn't even work without threaded comments. It's amazing that scoop has been around for a good seven or eight years and in that time I haven't seen anything come along that offers up genuine improvements in either use or functionality.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 01:18:51 PM EST
Let's say that I was trying to explain what a middle-ground (in the balance between blogger on internet and LaTex as personal writing format) reader would felt.. so it is very much in your line of thinking.

"Posting a comment" as a constant option option will improve use methinks.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 01:28:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
posting a comment is already a constant option. Do you want the "post a comment" links to be more noticeable?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:10:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If you are not loged in is not an option. If you are a casual reader is not an option. There is no link.

this is what my friend told me (I numbered it point 2 of his comments :))

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:23:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I went to create just such a link, but found the "Your Page" link in place of "xy's Page" leads to just such a new user welcome page.

Paging Colman, is this an old feature or did you just add it after the discussion here?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 06:41:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's been like that forever, as far as I remember.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 06:45:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
OK, then I will re-edit that page today.

I wonder someone has a good suggestion for the wording of the link text that should replace "Your Page" -- e.g. something catching the eye but not too long.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 07:43:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How about "Your User Account"?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 07:44:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it has the same problem as the present version: somehow the new user should get an idea that that text is specifically for him. I was thinking of something like "Welcome New User, Click Here To Post!", but that's long.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 07:48:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Nice update with the big bold text "New User? Welcome & Click!"
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 01:28:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is interesting how quickly we become accustomed to and accept as "normal" different technological bells and whistles.  I've not heard any complaint from my friends about having to register to post comments.  But if it is something one is used to, it can feel annoying.

I don't know what happened, but the cookies on our new home PC are not being stored and I have to log in each time I visit ET or Kos.  It feels like such a pain, but it only takes a second to log in, and here I was a few months ago on dial up and just waiting for a page to load would take more time than it does to type in my name and password.  So it is not unacceptably inconvenient, just not as easy as I have quickly come to expect.  

I like that one must register.

ET is one of the few places in cyberspace where people are encouraged to think before they speak.  Do you really have something to say?  If it is unimportant the registration process will seem a bother.  If you feel you have something enlightening to say, it should make registering feel worth the effort.  I'd rather read a comment someone has been mulling over for the time it takes to register or log in than a response written in the heat of the moment.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:07:50 PM EST
Try in your cookies menu to see how cookies emanating from Eurotrib are managed : deleted upon exit ?
by balbuz on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:25:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I should recall that the problem was two fold and not registering per se.

My friend told me that he could not see where the "post a comment" link was. And certainly, there is no post a comment link if you are not loged-in or if you are a casual reader.

Th second thing he told me was that one I told him that the "post a comment" link appeared once you registered he said that it was impossible to realize taht from the web-page, then he  told that he was going to try and register.. when I told him that he would just put the nickname and code and receive a mail to activitate he said no thanks. No worthy for a comment once in a while.

I think on the first point he is right.. on the second .. it is debatable.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:28:24 PM EST
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I thought I'd take the opportunity of this meta discussion to thank Colman and whoever else was involved in the redesign of ET front page. Having some of the menus moved to the left had side and the recommend diaries on the top right hand side is great!

I do agree it would be nice for non-members to have a "sign up to post comments" link in place of the members' "post a comment link" but given the difficulty of digging for related code I'll wait. Could one, if people thought it might help, add a banner section below or above the "HOME" "BOOMAN TRIBUNE" etc.. buttons at the top of the page that would have a link to the create a new account with some comment to the effect of "create a new account to join ET and post comments".

Suggestions aside I'm just impressed we're getting new non-english versions of EF. Thanks!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 03:59:58 PM EST
if someone was gripped by one particular diary and moved to comment, and if they had to waut a whole day before being eligible to contribute, we might lose something...

also it's just possible someone might be reading and have something important to say, but not use the web for email, and thus have no account.

pretty unlikely....

scoop is a marvel, and the blogger sites are very messy and easily spammable, sometimes warping out into miles of drivel if unmoderated attentively.

sorta like that last sentence!

anyone else think ET's look is like kos with a yacht-club blazer on?

kos's is more like a football jacket, the kind with numbers.

kuroshin is chaotic looking, and you have to click too often for comments - is it rusty choosing which ones to show?

skins for scoop...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 10:05:19 PM EST


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