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Onlookers and unwarranters

by Jerome a Paris Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 09:56:43 AM EST

The Financial Times is shocked - shocked! - that social-democratic politicians worry about sharing the fruits of growth:

EU business ‘must redistribute wealth’

European companies must give workers a bigger share of their soaring profit or risk igniting a “crisis in legitimacy” in the continent’s economic model, Germany’s finance minister warned on Tuesday.

Peer Steinbrück’s comments were part of a concerted attempt by Europe’s economic leaders in Brussels to persuade companies to share profit with workers as well as shareholders.

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The co-ordinated message to Europe’s company bosses surprised some onlookers. One EU official commented that the closing press conference of the monthly Ecofin council of finance ministers sounded “like a trade union meeting”.

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Ministers are treading a fine line between encouraging companies to share with workers while deterring unwarranted pay rises.

We've been told that the genius of capitalism is that it allows for greater wealth creation, thus allowing all to benefit from increased prosperity. The problem is that wealth creation (and often, capture) has become the only goal, and the "increased propserity for all" bit is forgotten - indeed, is seen as a direct obstacle to the wealth creation/capture. By explicitly mocking - in a news article! - the officials that modestly try to remind the business world of the need for some redistribution, the FT is doing nothing less than waging class war on the 99.9% that are currently not benefitting in any way form growth. Hiding behind "onlookers" and indirect claims to objectivity (when are wage claims unwarranted? When are equity return requirements unwarranted?) should not fool anyone any more.

They need to answer: when is it a good time to share prosperity?


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I really have no time to do this, but I saw this article this morning and it pissed me off to no end.

Anyone game to draft a LTE?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 09:57:42 AM EST
Let's instead write an open letter to the ECOFIN.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:33:25 AM EST
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I think you're right.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:35:55 AM EST
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We need to get our hands on the press conference, and if possible any records from the meeting. I'll try to dig up some stuff tonight.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:37:45 AM EST
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Good grief, the EU website is a nightmare to navigate.  The presidency site is a little better, but only a little.

Anyway, I found some stuff here, including this .pdf document outlining the "results" of the meeting.

But the press conference is not in their audio or video archives, at least not yet.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 11:20:25 AM EST
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Council of the European Union: EcoFin. The 2007 press releases, including the Key Issues Paper (PDF, and M$ Word) which I think is going to be more meaty than the press releases.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 02:55:37 PM EST
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One EU official commented that the closing press conference of the monthly Ecofin council of finance ministers sounded "like a trade union meeting"

Quelle horreur! (Emphasis mine)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:11:39 AM EST
Even if I have time to start a letter I can't believe how astonishingly stupid the whole premise of the article is.

Dear Ministers of Idiocy: companies will not, not, not share with anyone unless they are compelled to by some form of power. If you want them to share with their workers then their workers need the power to fuck with them until they pay up. The balance of power between employer and employee is currently in favour of the employer. Until you address that you are spewing hot air and nothing else. And you know that perfectly well, so go to hell.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:18:57 AM EST
Giving workers more bargaining power won't work, and the reason is the free movement of capital across borders. Since the 1980's the conditions have changed a lot to the point where it is extremely easy for the capitalists to simply pack up and go invest elsewhere. If you change the rules to reduce the profit margins of capital, be it by strengthening labour or by taxing wealth, capital simply leaves.

One alterntive is to increase the mobility of labour, but even if you took down all legal barriers to movement, people still wouldn't move, and the reason is cultural attachment one's local community, which is still very strong in Europe.

The US has had 230 years of free movement of capital and labour, and the result is a culture where it is seen as normal to move house every 5 years or less, and where people who are not established (such as students) can move every year, or even more often. In this cultural context, the strength of local community ties is much weaker.

There is only one way to preserve our communitarian culture [FR: not to be confused with cummunautarianisme] and economic prosperity, and that is to tie capital to the community again. Microcredit, extending the social safety net to the self-employed, the cooperative principle and the trading of usage rights for community land and capital come to mind.

It's nothing short of a revolution, and there isn't the political will, nor the tolerance for sacrifice, necessary to pull it off in the face of the backlash that would come from the current holders of capital if such a policy were announced.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 03:55:49 PM EST
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to tie capital to the community again. Microcredit, extending the social safety net to the self-employed, the cooperative principle and the trading of usage rights for community land and capital come to mind.

I agree with you. The development of local investment funds like the Fonds de Solidarité de la Fédération des Travailleurs du Québec is also an interesting approach.

However, we must not give up on the struggle to impose higher social standards worldwide through trade unions and the development of fair trade and corporate social responsibility under the customer's pressure.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 05:29:29 PM EST
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As the gyrations in the world stock markets over the past few days show the concept of "wealth" is in many ways illusory.

What has happened over the past two decades is that one type of commodity (common stock shares) has become sought after for a variety of reasons. These include the rise of middlemen like mutual funds and hedge funds, the rise of share-based retirement portfolios, and a swing back into the stock market by small investors. The rise in capitalism in developing countries has also led to the rise of stock markets in these places as well.

The problem is stocks don't really represent wealth. They represent a form of Ponzi scheme which says that there will be a bigger sucker in the future willing to take over the game when you wish to cash out. Many of the most profitable companies don't make anything anymore. Firms like Goldman Sachs only shuffle money within the financial sector. If people get burned by the game (see 1929) then these financial firms will suffer the most.

So when we talk of populist themes of making wealth more equitable what is it we really mean? Do we want to give the underclasses stock shares? Do we want to make them real estate owners? Do we want to improve their wages?

And suppose we really do want to distribute the wealth downward. How is this to be done? If we force the Walton family to sell of part of it's $80 billion Walmart stock holdings (presumably to pay some sort of tax) who are they going to sell it to and what effect would dumping so many shares have on the market?

It seems to me we really need to decide what an equitable society should look like first. As anyone who reads my rants often knows, I think this rethinking will have to be a view that moves away from consumerism as a measure of success.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:21:44 AM EST
Mr Steinbrück spoke of the "tension" between the advantages of low wage settlements... and the stifling of domestic demand.

"There have been falls in real wages, real incomes that have been bad for domestic demand..."

No kidding! They've discovered that when people earn less, they spend less!

And here is the irony:

Senior EU officials said the trigger for the debate was a speech on rising income inequality by Ben Bernanke, US Federal Reserve chairman, this month.

They shouldn't listen to foreign communist agitators!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:24:49 AM EST
We're talking about the ECOFIN: the economics and finance ministers of the EU member states.

You would hope these people would have some knowledge of economics, you know? Keynes' "demand makes the world go round", and stuff like that.

For crying out loud!

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:31:05 AM EST
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Don't worry, demand from the growing Chinese middle class will replace the demand from the US and European middle class and the corporations will be perfectly all right.

What's the problem?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:35:14 AM EST
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by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 10:28:11 AM EST
Is there any experimentation in European companies, perhaps encouraged by individual country legislation, that would try giving part of employee compensation in the form of ownership in the company?  There are a variety of models that have already been tried in the US, and they have pluses and minuses.  But plans like the US 401k plans encourage savings and investment by providing a tax break for money invested (up to a limit, so it's actually a progressive plan).  The money can be invested broadly, or in some cases invested in the company the employee works for (hasn't generally been a great idea because it's the opposite of diversification--but some secretaries have made fortunes over the years.  Or give part of the pay in stock options--some companies give all employees stock options.

the European model tends to rely more heavily on state supported pensions, as I understand it.  So is there a reluctance to experiment in areas such as this?

by wchurchill on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 12:22:45 PM EST
Is there any experimentation in European companies, perhaps encouraged by individual country legislation, that would try giving part of employee compensation in the form of ownership in the company?

I am not sure if you would count cooperatives in this category, but have you seen this diary:  Big day for co-op?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 06:50:25 PM EST
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yes, I would agree co-ops belong in this category.  Thanks for the reference to the diary.  It turned into a great discussion.
by wchurchill on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 08:51:02 PM EST
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Co-operatives are quite strong in North America.

Here is the site of the US National Co-operative Business Association

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Thu Mar 1st, 2007 at 02:41:10 PM EST
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Many European big companies have an employees ownership scheme. Many French companies have a participation agreement, which organise the sharing of (part of the) profit with employees.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 07:10:02 PM EST
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Thank you.  These sound like great models, plus the co-op discussion that bruno-ken referenced me to.  
by wchurchill on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 08:52:27 PM EST
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/28/143930/305

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 28th, 2007 at 03:24:54 PM EST


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