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Bosnia ...today...is the problem solved?

by vbo Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 09:38:07 AM EST

Someone here argued that Bosnia is "better off" today and here is one view to situation there:

http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/opinions.php?nav_id=39472

Bosnian Blues

6 February 2007
William Montgomery

As we struggle to come up with any sort of strategy in Iraq, several in the International Community who should know better have seized on the "Bosnian model" as one to be employed there.

Post-Dayton Bosnia (bbc.co.uk)
Post-Dayton Bosnia (bbc.co.uk)

There are some attractive similarities: warring ethnic groups bitterly divided, religious issues, mindless and endless violence to name some of the key ones. Why not create three entities and a weak central government along Bosnian lines?

Leaving aside the fact that the International Community does not have nearly the amount of leverage and pressure needed to successfully force the parties in Iraq to accept such an agreement, there is an additional significant problem. Namely, it doesn't provide a lasting, viable solution. More than eleven years after the Dayton Peace Agreement was signed, the three ethnic groups in Bosnia cling to the same goals, objectives, and views of the other groups as they had when the war initially began in earnest.

In fact, one could well argue that the trauma of the war on all sides has hardened those attitudes even further. The reality is that 99% of the Serbs living in the Republika Srpska feel themselves a part of that entity and not of Bosnia. The Croats consider themselves Croats first and foremost.

The Bosniaks, being the most numerous, find themselves ironically in the same position as the Serbs in the former Yugoslavia: they want to keep Bosnia together and centralized, believing (just like the Serbs did in the former Yugoslavia) that it should be wholly unified. In contrast to the other two ethnic groups, they feel at home everywhere in Bosnia, just as the Serbs did in the former Yugoslavia.

Tito's Communist Party in the former Yugoslavia strongly forbid any expressions of nationalism and harshly dealt with those who tried to move in that direction (such as the Croatian Spring). Similarly, the Office of the High Representative (OHR) and the International Community have dealt harshly with any Bosnian politician who dared to use "anti-Dayton" language or question the underlying agreement.

Countless elected officials, mostly from the Republika Srpska were summarily and arbitrarily thrown out of their positions for such stances. The heresy of speaking contrary to the Dayton Agreement seems to be roughly equivalent to questioning the Koran in the Middle East.

The fact is that both Tito and the High Representative through intimidation could suppress opinions, but could not eradicate them. In fact, by driving those views underground, one could argue that it only strengthened them. Fueled in large part by the Kosovo question and its nationalist impact in Serbia, the Bosnian Serbs led by Prime Minister Dodik are now more openly making the case for a Referendum on Status in the Republika Srpska.

Meanwhile, Bosniaks are just as openly calling for the abolishment of the RS altogether. Constitutional reform is less likely now than even one year ago, as is police reform in the manner desired by the International Community.

For the past eleven years, most of the representatives of the International Community located in Bosnia have chosen to see the country through rose-colored glasses. They have focused on some undeniable successes (absence of violence, freedom of movement, restoration of property rights), while ignoring the major flaws in the underlying system. In so doing, they have consciously or unconsciously misled their governments about the true situation on the ground.

The problem is the Dayton Agreement itself. It has put in place an unworkable system that emphasizes ethnicity and not individuality.  Paddy Ashdown recognized that it was unworkable and pushed the edge (and even went beyond it) in modifying Dayton to give Central government more authority. But he was uniformly disliked by the Bosnians - one of the few things on which all seemed to agree.  

The West is now hoisted on its own petard. Disregarding the danger presented by the flawed Dayton Agreement, it came to believe that Bosnia could be managed through the same sort of incentives that have brought many of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe into the EU and NATO. This was hastened by the U.S. desire to turn over responsibility for the region as quickly as possible to the EU.

Consequently, a European Union force called EUFOR replaced SFOR. Plans were made for the Office of the High Representative to close this summer and be replaced by a smaller European Union-led office with diminished powers and responsibilities. Significantly, this office would not have the so-called Bonn Powers, which permitted the High Representative to sack uncooperative elected officials and to issue numerous decrees in place of action by the Bosnian government.

This plan is now in jeopardy. The International Community (reflecting the politics of appointments made by international organizations at its worst) installed as the "last" High Representative a decent man named Christian Schwartz-Schilling, whose heart was in the right place, but who was simply too old to do the job.

Moreover, seeing the degree of hatred for his predecessor (and having been cautioned by many Europeans to be careful in any use of the "Bonn Powers"), Schwartz-Schilling deliberately took the opposite approach. So the Office of the High Representative went from having its most pro-active, aggressive head to its most passive. Schwartz-Schilling literally slept through his time at the helm. It is the general consensus that Bosnia actually went backward in many ways during his mandate.

The West is also belatedly recognizing that events in the Balkans are linked and consequently what happens in Kosovo can have a major impact in Bosnia as well. So well after the planning was complete and the actual transition underway to the EU leadership in Bosnia, the United States in particular - but other key nations as well - got cold feet. They are now in the position best described in an old song by Jimmy Durante: "Did you ever have the feeling that you wanted to go and still have the feeling you wanted to stay?"

The United States does want to go and it does want to leave this problem to the European Union. At the same time, it now fears that a premature departure by the Office of the High Representative will make it much more difficult to deal with a Bosnia grown restive from developments in Kosovo.

The first step has been taken. If Schwartz-Schilling would simply have left well-enough alone, he may well have been permitted to finish out his mandate and depart in June as the last High Representative. But ironically, his very success while lobbying in Western capitals to have his mandate extended because of the serious problems still confronting Bosnia convinced virtually everybody, including the Germans who originally proposed and supported him that the mandate probably did need extended, but that a stronger, more pro-active personality was needed as High Representative.

But what happens now? There are several outstanding questions. The first is whether the mandate of the Office of the High Representative will actually be extended past this summer and if so, for how long. The second is whether there will be full agreement with the European Union that the OHR has pre-eminence in Bosnia and its own EU Mission will not be engaging in turf battles with it. The third is how large will the OHR Mission remain and what exact functions will it have. And the final question is who will be the new High Representative.

With regard to the last question, there is serious consideration being given to having it be an American. The reasoning is that the EU will have its own Mission already up and running in any case. Secondly, the Mission of the OHR can be narrowed to focus on a few vital issues, mainly dealing with the Dayton Agreement. Thirdly, it has been the United States that has led the charge for extension of the Mandate.

This almost certainly will not end well. Because the challenge is not to implement Dayton, but to change it. That will have deadly serious opposition from within Bosnia, as we have already seen. To have even a chance of so doing would require the full and total support of a unified Peace Implementation Council Steering Board and heavy lifting by senior officials of key countries.

That will require a High Representative with sufficient personal gravitas to exercise power, persuade the three parties of the requirement to take difficult steps, and to persuade a reluctant European Union to be prepared to fully utilize the Bonn Powers when necessary. Unless we are prepared to do all the above, it isn't worth attempting.

In fact, it will be counter-productive, as it could seriously exacerbate an already difficult situation. Attention now is primarily focused on the evolving Kosovo drama, but it would be a mistake to underestimate the significance of the Bosnian situation for stability in the region during this critical year.


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Talk about contradictory but the whole mess of all of ex-Yugoslavia is due in large part to the mindless way all of the West has meddled and acted "impartially" [sic] in what was a civil war. I guess if the US end up steam-rolling Athisarri's plan through the UN they will turn around in 11 years time and say it is not working because of the EU and come up with another equally "impartial" [sic] solution.
When one fails to take a fair, equal, impartial & holistic approach one can't help but find an inadequate solution - you would think the US had learnt this by now but clearly not!!!
(Princip, UK, 6 February 2007, 16:55)
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Ambassador Montgomery's assessment of the Eurocratic Frankenstein Bosnia has become is right on the dot. Serbs in RS feel neither the social community with their Bosniak neighbors, nor any sense of political drive to reunite with them. Croats in the Federation are leaving en masse to Croatia, and RS is more economically sound and politically stable than Federation. As such, elites in RS could easily assume they were a separate political entity.

Separating warring groups does provide stability in the short run, but the Clinton Administration's unhealthy fetish to categorize everything in the Balkans by tribal name - based on the half-witted history lessons by journalists like Robert Kaplan - only reified ethnic cleavages and solidified differences that were originally popular only by nationalists. As a result, Bosnia, the one part of Yugoslavia were three ethnicities and religions coexisted the most, is now a patchwork of homogeneous ethnic enclaves separated by historical animosities. If this is the same type of Scandinavian-proposed Eurocratic experiment for Kosovo, then the West has truly learned nothing of their mistakes in the Balkans over the last 15 years.
(Mike, 6 February 2007, 18:34)
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 usually disagree with Montengomery, but he did a fairly decent job pointing out the flaws in the current system. However the good thing is it ended the violence and life there is fairly normal for the people on the ground and that is what is most important. Maybe now is the time for Republic Srpska to get full independence or be allowed to join with Serbia. Why not let the majority of people in Bosnia (Serbs and Croats) decide whether they want to stay in Bosnia or join with Serbia/Croatia? There would not be war this time if Croatia and Serbia agreed in a peaceful manner. It was a huge mistake on the part of the International Community not to consider or support something like this in the first place, it would have avoided a lot of death and bloodshed.

etc...go and read more...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 09:57:20 AM EST
There's something in that: the tendency to oversimplify into assorted tribes and to label them "good guys" and "bad guys" is a persistent problem in the recent rounds of interference in both the Balkans and the Middle East. Generally the cleavages are more complicated than is acknowledged and we're really distinguishing between degrees of badness - there ain't any good guys, includings "us".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 10:01:51 AM EST
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I think the idea that all these conflicts are down to irreconcilable ethnic/religious divisions, and that the solution is "power-sharing" by empowering various community leaders, actively makes matters worse. There is something very pernicious about it and I hesitate [because I don't mean to sound anti-American in this instance] to attribute it to the American way to look at the rest of the world as less able to function democratically, as well as exporting the American model of identity politics.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 10:09:57 AM EST
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Now a "hot potato" will soon(er or later) be laid in EU hands. End Kosovo is much more then "hot potato"...waiting to burn...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 10:47:46 AM EST
Could you do us a favour, and not use whole articles in your diaries, especially when they're easily linked to?  Just cut and paste the few key paragraphs rather than the whole thing.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 10:52:57 AM EST
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I don't think I used whole article except at the beginning as a diary...Sometimes people are just to lazy to go and read all of it so I put some inserts...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:15:42 AM EST
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You need to put the text of the article in blockquotes so that we can tell what is the article and what are your own thoughts.  Also try not to post more than 3 paragraphs (or the equivalent) of the article.  

In case you missed this.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 12:45:47 PM EST
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I don't know how to use HTML (I am not that good with IT) but I ALWAYS put "Quote" and I first put URL (or whatever you call web address where you can find my quote. So NO plagiarism here...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 08:22:23 PM EST
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"people" are not "lazy".
by balbuz on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 03:09:16 PM EST
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OK ...you think you are humorous?

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 08:16:23 PM EST
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I know I am very often "lazy" or simply do not have time to read whole article and I appreciate if inserts are put instead.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 08:25:30 PM EST
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Hasn't the Bosnian Hot Potato been in the EU's hands for 10 years already?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 10:56:01 AM EST
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Quote:
The United States does want to go and it does want to leave this problem to the European Union. At the same time, it now fears that a premature departure by the Office of the High Representative will make it much more difficult to deal with a Bosnia grown restive from developments in Kosovo.
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Looks like Americans have some serious business to do at some oil rich places nowadays and simply can't baby-seat your nasty kids any more...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:22:49 AM EST
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I don't understand what you mean. The High Representative for Bosnia has been an EU official for a long time now
The High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina, with the Office of the High Representative (OHR) in Bosnia and Herzegovina, was created in 1995 immediately after the Dayton Peace Agreement to oversee the civilian implementation of this agreement. The High Representative and the OHR represent the international community through the United Nations. The High Representative is now also the European Union's Special Representative.
Which is to say, Bosnia has been an EU protectorate for 10 years now. Maybe you should get your facts straight, too.

What exactly is the involvement of the US in Bosnia right now?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:31:07 AM EST
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Your quote:
The High Representative and the OHR represent the international community through the United Nations.
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The fact that NOW he's European does not matter.
On the other hand Mr. Montgomery certainly has his facts straight. HE IS talking about USA wanting to leave. If it wants to leave - it must be there. And we all know who is who and who is in charge...and where...so

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:50:33 AM EST
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Whatever. It is a European operation and all the High Commissioners have been European. You still have not answered my question, what exactly is the US role. I was not aware they were needed for anything any longer.

I mean, look at the Office of the High Representative website. It looks 100% EU to me.

Okay, maybe not 100%

The OHR is funded by the PIC. Its budget in 2007 is 6,6 million Euros. Contributions to the OHR budget break down as follows: EU 53 %, USA 22%, Japan 10%, Russia 4%, Canada 3.03 %, OIC 2.5%, others: 5.47%.

Maybe they're talking about NATO?

The mandate of the High Representative is set out in Annex 10. It declares the High Representative the final authority in theatre to interpret the agreement on the civilian implementation of the peace settlement. The Peace Implementation Council (PIC), a group of 55 countries and international organisations that sponsor and direct the peace implementation process, has subsequently elaborated on his mandate. The High Representative has no authority over the NATO-led military Stabilisation Force (SFOR).
But even that is outdated, as
The SFOR operated under the code name Operation Joint Guard (December 21, 1996 - June 19, 1998) and Operation Joint Forge (June 20, 1998 - December 2, 2004). ...

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It took over from IFOR and was replaced by the European Union's EUFOR, on the 2nd of December 2004. Small numbers of US troops continue involvement (about 250 total) in a limited capacity to hunt down alleged Bosnian Serb war criminals Radovan Karadžić and Ratko Mladić.

See Here for EUFOR.

Mr Montgomery is exaggerating the importance of the US role, and you're all too happy to believe it because you need to convince us that the EU doesn't know what's going to hit it in Bosnia. I think you're wrong.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 02:37:36 PM EST
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Ok. Bosnia is "haven"...but mostly for mujahedins/terrorists...
Thing is you have too much faith in EUFOR. Hopefully after Kosovo catastrophic "solution" to illegally chop piece of land of one sovereign state the reaction of Bosnian Serbs is not going to be violent. They will probably make referendum and declare independence and will not take arms. But if they for some reason take arms you will cry for USA to come and bomb them again because EUFOR is just a joke in that kind of situation and with experienced Serbian solders (all of male population) you can imagine situation. Look what USA is now having on its hand in Iraq...Do not wish for that. I don't!
I am not HAPPY because of situation in Bosnia. I KNEW that your "multiethnic Bosnia" is NOT going to work - EVER!!!It hardly worked under the strong man Tito. It's just a matter of you Europeans acknowledging what Americans already know. Or you may inform them of your "reality".


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 08:13:54 PM EST
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You are still not giving me any new information. Just bogiemen. The multi-ethnic Bosnia does not exist any longer, there is a confederation of two separate parts (the Western part could be called multi-ethnic) under an EU protectorate where the High Representatives have had to be rather heavy-handed on occasion interfering with the domestic politicians. So, no, a sovereign liberal democracy with respect for minorities and the rule of law it is not. It is a protectorate, bt it is an EU protectorate and the role of the US is minimal to non-existent. So, if the US departs I don't know that I would expect much of anything to change. It was Bosnia of all things that motivated the EU to coordinate its foreign policy and defence apparatus a bit more, and pull its act together. The mistakes of 15 years ago won't be repeated.

As for EUFOR being a joke, that is quite possible. But what do you base that on?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 05:47:53 AM EST
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I was thinking to start Kosovo II dairy because existing one is too long but we can actually continue to talk about Kosovo here too. It's all connected anyway...
Here some more interesting debate and views of Serbs as comments on Mr. James Lyon text:
http://blog.b92.net/node/4142

As you can see there are diferent aprochies amongst Serbs too.For example:
One:

While some our "Leaders" reject possibility to negotiate agreement time is going really fast. In one month or two Kosovo will be gone and we will stay where we are with question: Who from actual political figures sold Kosovo?

Fact is that you cannot sell anything you do not have. We definitely lost Kosovo in 1999. If anybody want to be helpful, now is time to standup and say: Kosovo is gone but lets try not to make our situation worse than it is. Lets participate in process and behave as serious person not adult. You cannot fight everybody else. Or maybe you can?

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the other:

I wanted to puke today reading all of the clueless bought-and-paid-for "expert" opinions talking about EU membership carrots and other crap like that. I guess it's time to make some money in Balkans, so move over Serbia - you're costing us. All this clinging on to Kosovo is bad for business.

Hate to break it to you, but the EU dream has long been dreamt. We see how our "equal" EU members from the east are received by their European brothers, and we say thank you but no thank you. We're doing just fine.

There is no one in their right mind in Serbia who would put their name on this kind of a document. No one wants to end up in history books this way. C'mon, don't tell me Ahtisaari & Co. didn't know this? WTF!

The only answer is resounding no. UN, EU, USofA, and everybody else can go their merry way. Countries have lost and regained their territory before. There will be Serbs and Serbia and Kosovo long after all of us here die. I'm sure we'll get a better deal sooner or later. We can hardly get a worse one. It may take 10 years, 100 years, or 1000 years, there may be 200% of Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija. It doesn't really matter. We've waited out Ottoman empire and every other empire that has come and gone. We'll wait out these occupators too.
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What's more important, even if someone in their wrong mind would sign it, it would be completely irrelevant - unconstitutional on at least two grounds. It couldn't be ratified by the parliament. Constitution would have to be changed first, and with Radicals at stable 30% - tough chance. Stalemate, for better or worse.
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Of course, you would also than have to explain why, if your arguments are valid, the secession was not imposed on Milosevic but is imposed on democratic Serbia long after the alleged atrocities happened and when there is no future treat they might happen again.
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Regardless of relentless NATO paid for propaganda, majority of Serbs are not going to accept the blatant theft and rape for which they even have to provide the song and dance routine and pretend they enjoy it. It would be like having to buy a brick and than being forced to pay to have it taken away while being hit with it over the head and whistling a happy tune all along.

Unlike in other circumstances, where there have been conflicts and misunderstandings with our former brethren and neighbours, this time it's between Serbia and NATO which simply occupied 15% of our territory and now tries to legalise the product of aggression. This is not between Serbs and Albanians; about who gets a chunk of some God forsaken territory. It has much wider implication and that is why, this time around, there is much uneasiness and apprehension in the international community. Kosovo taken by Albanians is a one thing. But Kosovo taken by NATO with the UN stamp of approval?

By the way, just for the record, If the NATO and EU policy on Kosovo had been different this past 8 years, instead the resolute failure it is, I would be able to imagine a situation where Serbia recognises independent Republic of Kosovo and Metohija by now, or in a not very distant future, and than proceeds to build good and fruitful relations. Also, had the prerequisites for such a solution been met, than the extensive autonomy (accepted by Albanians) would have been a possibility also.

But the occupiers did what they did, created what they created and this time they don't have Slobo to bail them out with the last minute "capitulation" of "acceptance of peace" (depending who is reporting).He is safely stowed away. This time professor Frankenstein will have to nurse his baby himself.
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Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:10:22 AM EST
More about Bosnia and High Representative (OHR).
Great stuff...
http://blog.b92.net/node/4130

Known as "the sleepwalker" within the organisation he nominally heads, High Representative Christian Schwarz-Schilling is currently being outed in local and international media for being quite literally asleep on the job as boss of the Office of the High Representative (OHR).
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CSS has slept for Bosnia but has done little else for the country besides earning a great deal of money.

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Apart from removing those committed to fighting organised crime, sleeping and occasionally threatening the odd politician, Schilling has been going around saying that Bosnia will be run by the Bosnians, strangely enough.
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Now chickens are coming home to roost and Mr. Schwarz-Schilling, or CSS as he is known, is retiring again. Local and international media have been having a go and the coup de grace will come in the form of an International Crisis Group  report documenting CSS's  activities, or lack thereof, although the best stories are  restricted to the diplomatic cocktail circuit.

Those in the visa queue may wonder why everyone in the embassy is laughing, but the applicants themselves will be in no mood for giggling along with the gossip.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 12:02:49 PM EST
They can't agree on anything...EU is playing strongman TITO but repression just can't work in a long run...No one is happy in Bosnia...

http://www.mediaonline.ba/en/arhiva/arhiva/pdf/1999/mnbr37i38en.pdf

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 09:19:10 PM EST
This happened in 1999. And where we are today 8 years later?
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http://www.pressnow.org/default.asp

Press Now is seriously concerned about recent developments in politics and media landscape. The tension between the Republika Srpska government and public broadcast service BHTV1 culminated when the Republika Srpska government announced a boycott of this Bosnia Herzegovina's statewide public broadcaster on 12 January. Initially the boycott was restricted to requests for interviews, but appeared to have been extended to a total ban for BHT 1. The Republika Srpska government justified its action as a response to alleged bias and unfair treatment of the RS politicians in BHTV1 political shows. As a reaction to it the BHRT Board of Directors responded by replacing the Director General Drago Maric. His replacement, Mehmed Agovic, has been further instructed to dismiss the BHTV1 Programme Director, Milan Trivic.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 09:50:57 PM EST
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http://www.eparhija-prizren.com/defaultE.asp?idvest=1172

Quote:

...asking "do you really want to exercise your veto in the UN Security Council if Kosovo 'de facto' was to become independent," Lavrov said:

       "Putin never said that. Russia rigidly adheres to all agreements on Kosovo - UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and the later documents of the Contact group. Much of that has not been realised, for example, the plan that part of Serbian border troops be redeployed," Lavrov said.

       Lavrov, in the interview posted on the magazine's Internet site, also said that the return of Serbian refugees had not taken place.

       He said Europe should be ashamed of that. Serbs are today the single biggest refugee group on the continent. Our Western partners have always argued that certain standards needed to be met first, and then to resolve the status issue. Now they say that the Albanian leadership in Kosovo cannot undertake anything, before they are certain that Kosovo will get independence.

       Lavrov said that at the latest meeting of the Contact Group it was said that "Ahtisaari's proposal should not be seen as an ultimatum, but as a basis to continue talks on Kosovo."

      "Any attempts to submit these proposals to the UN Security Council would be futile and counterproductive, I cannot imagine how the UN Security Council could make a decision that would not be acceptable for the Serbs," Lavrov said.


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:03:35 PM EST
http://www.eparhija-prizren.com/defaultE.asp?s=vesti&idvest=1183

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Kosovo independence would cause cession of Slovak Hungarias
Source: Tanjug
    BRATISLAVA, Feb 5 (Tanjug) - The ruling Slovak Social Democratic Party and its coalition partner, the National Party, have warned that the independence of Kosovo could cause the cession of the ethnic Hungarians in Slovakia, the TA3 Slovak television announced on Monday.

   The Hungarian minority or its politicians could view Kosovo as a model and this is not a good precedent for Slovakia, Social Democratic Party official and the chairman of the Slovak parliament's International Relations Committee - Boris Zala said.

   All interested countries should receive assurances that this model of limimted sovereignty will not be applied to other territories in the Balkans or in other regions in Europe, Zala set out.

   Slovak National Party official Ana Belousova described Ahtisaari's plan as dangerous, because it advocates the changing of borders in favour of one ethnic minority.
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Tell us more about it...
Now how is that possible :

"All interested countries should receive assurances that this model of limimted sovereignty will not be applied to other territories in the Balkans or in other regions in Europe, Zala set out."

Now what are Serbs to be "excepted" - ruts?

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:18:01 PM EST
Bogiemen of centralist nationalists. Like the Spanish PP and its "Spain is breaking up" bullshit.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 05:49:45 AM EST
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http://www.eparhija-prizren.com/defaultE.asp?s=vesti&idvest=1148

BELGRADE, Feb 2 (Tanjug) - The United Nations (UN) could replace Resolution 1244 with a new one only if Serbia as a sovereign country agrees to that, and everything else would go beyond UN's mandate, adviser to the Serbian negotiating team for Kosovo-Metohija status talks Thomas Fleiner has said.

Announcements that the UN could pass a new resolution which would not mention the word independence, but would allow such a status in reality, has no foundation in international law, Fleiner said.
That would mean that the UN has for the first time divided a sovereign country without its consent, Fleiner said for the Friday issue of Belgrade daily Blic, adding that a  modification of Kosovo status would have to entail modifications of the Constitution according to which the province is a part of Serbia.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 11:26:03 PM EST
I hear that in USA budget for 2008 US $ 270 millions is for Kosovo. Kosovo Albanians always had to rely on someone else to feed them. We had to give up money from our humble salaries  for decades and send it to them. Well bare in mind that this money is not all for their pleasure. Half of it will go to pay their old debts (annually about 100 millions Euros) , then they'll be showered with new loans ( new debts) ,  then financing peace keeping force and EU administration there, then Americans want to "attract" foreign (their) investors and will have to pay them to come and do the business on Kosovo ( it would be interesting if it is possible to follow this money, cause I bet most of it will end up in American hands anyway) etc. They already are steadily and permanently  counted in USA budgets for ages. Great for business! Drugs and human trafficking will continue to flourish as the main business endeavor of Kosovo Albanians .
All though I keep talking to my self for some time on this topic I'll do it for some time more...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 02:05:30 AM EST
Oh yes I forgot to remind you about 12 billions of USA $ (360 tones of cash) that miraculously vanished in Iraq after Saddams fall...Happy happy, joy joy ...American contractors and other crooks!

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 02:21:18 AM EST


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