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An Interesting Question

by heathlander Sat Apr 7th, 2007 at 01:22:44 AM EST

Courtesy of Noam Chomsky:

` Doubtless Iran's government merits harsh condemnation, including for its recent actions that have inflamed the crisis. It is, however, useful to ask how we would act if Iran had invaded and occupied Canada and Mexico and was arresting U.S. government representatives there on the grounds that they were resisting the Iranian occupation (called "liberation," of course). Imagine as well that Iran was deploying massive naval forces in the Caribbean and issuing credible threats to launch a wave of attacks against a vast range of sites - nuclear and otherwise - in the United States, if the U.S. government did not immediately terminate all its nuclear energy programs (and, naturally, dismantle all its nuclear weapons).

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'Suppose that all of this happened after Iran had overthrown the government of the U.S. and installed a vicious tyrant (as the US did to Iran in 1953), then later supported a Russian invasion of the U.S. that killed millions of people (just as the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran in 1980, killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians, a figure comparable to millions of Americans). Would we watch quietly?'

On a related matter, Tony Blair's joy at the release of the 15 British sailors captured by Iran was tempered by the recent deaths of four British soldiers at the hands of the Iraqi resistance. Blair described the roadside bomb attack as "terrorism", and accused Iran of a role in it (perhaps not in this specific instance, he was quick to clarify, but just in general - thereby admitting to shamelessly capitalising on the deaths of four soldiers as an excuse to launch a political attack on Iran).

Now, at the risk of repeating myself, resistance in Iraq is legitimate and therefore the Coalition soldiers in Iraq are legitimate targets. That's not to say that we should "rejoice" at the deaths of the soldiers - only a psychopath revels in the death and suffering of others. But we can at least recognise that as participants in an unwanted occupying force, British soldiers in Iraq are acting as agents of aggression and oppression. Conversely, those Iraqis resisting this occupying force are acting as legitimate agents of liberation, in exactly the same way as occupied people everywhere, be they in the Occupied Territories, Vichy France, Soviet-controlled Afghanistan or present-day West Papua, have the right to resist their occupiers. The fact that in this case it happens to be "our boys" doing the occupying changes precisely nothing.

In any case, as a fairly sensible Independent editorial noted, the British government "has by no means been proved that Iran or its "elements" are behind attacks on British troops in southern Iraq" (see Justice Not Vengeance for a thorough desconstruction of the "evidence" put forward by the U.S. government in this regard). It assumes, of course, that any such Iranian aid to this legitimate Iraqi resistance would be abominable as opposed to praiseworthy (Anne Penketh, writing in the same paper, makes the same implicit assumption), but then one can only expect so much from the corporate media. As Chomsky's rhetorical question highlights, the same people and institutions who in the 1980's assumed reflexively that Western aid to the Afghanis (or foreign fighters - Osama Bin Laden, being a prominent example) resisting the Soviet occupation was justified today assume equally reflexively that Iranian aid to the Iraqi resistance is not. As Chomsky notes, such `arguments' can only proceed "on the assumption that the United States [or, interchangeably, Britain/the West] owns the world". We should remember that, published as they are in The Independent, these criticisms effectively represent the outer limits of dissent acceptable in the mainstream press. These are the "radical" exceptions - most of the time, we get the likes of Sir Admiral Alan West observing in The Times that Iran's attack on our sailors was "outrageous" (now there's a controversial view) - no mention, of course, of the five Iranians kidnapped by Coalition forces in Iraq a few months ago (and it's strange, but I don't recall The Times giving any comment space to an Iranian Admiral or General - you know, in the interests of "balance" and all that).

The unfortunate fact remains that as agents of the occupation, all Coalition soldiers in Iraq are legitimate targets. If we want stop them getting blown up - and, of course, we all should - the only solution is to bring them home.

The Heathlander

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resistance in Iraq is legitimate and therefore the Coalition soldiers in Iraq are legitimate targets.

And the insurgents are at least as legitimate targets - international law tends to be biased in favour of state actors.

Conversely, those Iraqis resisting this occupying force are acting as legitimate agents of liberation, in exactly the same way as occupied people everywhere, be they in the Occupied Territories, Vichy France, Soviet-controlled Afghanistan or present-day West Papua, have the right to resist their occupiers.

There are insurgents and insurgents. Liberation in terms of freedom from occupation doesn't necessarily mean anything more than that.  Let me refer to another history of resistance - that of Poland after WWII. During the war the overwhelming majority of the resistance was in the AK (Home Army) which politically ranged from very left wing socialists to moderate fascists. In addition you had the NSZ - a small hardline fascist grouping, and the AL - the Stalinists. When the Red Army entered Poland they installed their Stalinist puppets in power. The Home Army decided that armed resistance would be a futile, and ordered their men to stand down. The NSZ decided to fight on and were joined by plenty of people including non-fascists who either weren't willing to accept Stalinism and Soviet occupation or for whom taking to the forests was the only way to avoid arrest and execution. Again many joined them simply because it was the only group continuing to resist, not because they agreed with their politics. But the NSZ was what it was and its objective was national liberation, but in the form of a fascist dictatorship. Plenty of people in Poland today regard them as national heroes fighting for freedom.  I'd say the picture is a bit more complicated than that. Same goes for Iraq today.

by MarekNYC on Sat Apr 7th, 2007 at 02:50:56 PM EST
Cross-post ALL your stuff to my place, will you?  I'm quite a fan...:)

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...
by Nonpartisan on Sat Apr 7th, 2007 at 04:37:30 PM EST
Yeah - will do! :)

The Heathlander
by heathlander on Sat Apr 7th, 2007 at 05:34:54 PM EST
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Would we watch quietly?

Does that offer come with a border fence?

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Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Apr 7th, 2007 at 10:08:34 PM EST


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